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Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene
who the gently caress pirates software

that sounds like a great way to become a spam relay or child porn host or something

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Suspicious Dish
Sep 24, 2011

2020 is the year of linux on the desktop, bro
Fun Shoe
our linux port was done for other reasons and it needs to be maintained so it's not like we lost money on it but someone was like "why not release on steam on linux as well" and despite me saying "no don't that's gonna be a shitshow" we now we have negative press from gamers, bad steam reviews and our community manager got an extra special death threat

Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene

eschaton posted:

systemd is the right thing and it’s embarrassing it took Linux this long to get something like it

I don’t know if launchd on Darwin has supplanted cron and at, but it wouldn’t surprise me

launchd has the ability to replace cron, but not even apple is dumb enough to imagine people will be happy with a unix that lacks a fully compatible crond

so they ship both -- launchd, fully capable of running scheduled jobs and emailing you about them, AND a legacy crond that will never go away

Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene

Suspicious Dish posted:

our linux port was done for other reasons and it needs to be maintained so it's not like we lost money on it but someone was like "why not release on steam on linux as well" and despite me saying "no don't that's gonna be a shitshow" we now we have negative press from gamers, bad steam reviews and our community manager got an extra special death threat

lol there is no market for linux games outside of steam

what the gently caress were you guys thinking

Suspicious Dish
Sep 24, 2011

2020 is the year of linux on the desktop, bro
Fun Shoe
we were funded by a company with deep deep pockets to put our game on their platform and they asked for a linux port as part of the deal. they paid us very well. i'll let you make a few guesses to what that is.

Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene

Suspicious Dish posted:

we were funded by a company with deep deep pockets to put our game on their platform and they asked for a linux port as part of the deal. they paid us very well. i'll let you make a few guesses to what that is.

i honestly have no idea

the only uses for linux on game consoles i've ever heard of are like, touchscreen machines in bars, and, uh, hotel kiosks

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




Notorious b.s.d. posted:

who the gently caress pirates software

that sounds like a great way to become a spam relay or child porn host or something

everyone

Athas
Aug 6, 2007

fuck that joker
Warning: this is an off-topic Mac desktop post.

I recently got a super expensive Macbook, fortunately paid for by my job, and not by me. I have been desktop Linuxing for 13 years or so, and while macOS is undoubtedly more polished and such, it is not that much better than Fedora with GNOME. I thought the difference would be a lot greater. It does laptoppy things a bit better, but my Linux desktop is nicer for hacking, I think.

The thing I like the best is that Homebrew is a package system designed by humans and for humans, and packages are not defined in a macro language that produces a shell script.

Also, Steve Jobs decided that if you select your monitor as the audio output source (mine has a convenient audio plug), then you can no longer control the volume from macOS itself. I guess Steve never used a monitor that did not come with a volume knob. While ALSA has a billion volume controls that all do the same thing, it at least has too many, and not too few.

Gazpacho
Jun 18, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
Slippery Tilde
systemd is replacing mature proven system components with no apparent connection to its mission, for no benefit that youve been able to name. It must take some really heavy kool aid drinking to reach the
point where your defense amounts to "there was nothing, then systemd appeared" :sad:

Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene
systemd service management is just so drat good that i barely care if it fucks with other things

it is a quantum leap

suddenly linux is as good as solaris was in 2006

Agile Vector
May 21, 2007

scrum bored



Athas posted:

Warning: this is an off-topic Mac desktop post.

Also, Steve Jobs decided that if you select your monitor as the audio output source (mine has a convenient audio plug)

is it connected via something like hdmi or displayport? i think the system assumes the source is a tv monitor at that point and punts it to the local controls. good for conference rooms and bad for desks

Athas
Aug 6, 2007

fuck that joker

Agile Vector posted:

is it connected via something like hdmi or displayport? i think the system assumes the source is a tv monitor at that point and punts it to the local controls. good for conference rooms and bad for desks

Yes, it is displayport, because I am not an animal.

The_Franz
Aug 8, 2003

Gazpacho posted:

that really has nothing to do with turning linux into his own garden of pure ideology

you're welcome to cobble together your own systemd-free linux out of whatever pile of janky components you want

just don't complain when poo poo doesn't work

pseudorandom name
May 6, 2007

Suspicious Dish posted:

we were funded by a company with deep deep pockets to put our game on their platform and they asked for a linux port as part of the deal. they paid us very well. i'll let you make a few guesses to what that is.

are you talking about SteamOS and Steam for Linux as if they are separate platforms?

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




pseudorandom name posted:

are you talking about SteamOS and Steam for Linux as if they are separate platforms?

the gently caress you are talking about. steam for linux is a standalone app, steamos is fork of debian 8

mrmcd
Feb 22, 2003

Pictured: The only good cop (a fictional one).

Suspicious Dish posted:

our linux port was done for other reasons and it needs to be maintained so it's not like we lost money on it but someone was like "why not release on steam on linux as well" and despite me saying "no don't that's gonna be a shitshow" we now we have negative press from gamers, bad steam reviews and our community manager got an extra special death threat

Who the gently caress cares about Linux games to the point of getting mad and sending death threats? What the gently caress is wrong with gamers?

The_Franz
Aug 8, 2003

Suspicious Dish posted:

we were funded by a company with deep deep pockets to put our game on their platform and they asked for a linux port as part of the deal. they paid us very well. i'll let you make a few guesses to what that is.

  • it's not on steam so it wasn't valve
  • it's not on gog, so it wasn't cd projekt red
  • no clue why nintendo or microsoft would want a linux port
  • the atari-box people? they likely don't have "deep pockets" though
  • sony? people at gaikai have been sending patches for sony controllers and taking an interest in linux for "internal reasons" over the last year
  • google? maybe they asked for a linux port in addition to android? they certainly fulfill the "deep pockets" part

pseudorandom name
May 6, 2007

cinci zoo sniper posted:

the gently caress you are talking about. steam for linux is a standalone app, steamos is fork of debian 8

that's why I'm asking him

Sapozhnik
Jan 2, 2005

Nap Ghost

Suspicious Dish posted:

our linux port was done for other reasons and it needs to be maintained so it's not like we lost money on it but someone was like "why not release on steam on linux as well" and despite me saying "no don't that's gonna be a shitshow" we now we have negative press from gamers, bad steam reviews and our community manager got an extra special death threat

Sapozhnik posted:

there's a small linux zealot customer base but they are statistically insignificant, and courting those sorts of customers is a horrible idea anyway because you're never ideologically pure enough for them so they'll spend most of their energy publicly making GBS threads on your brand instead of promoting it even if you bend over backwards to please them. also zealotry doesn't pay the bills, there's that too.

Suspicious Dish
Sep 24, 2011

2020 is the year of linux on the desktop, bro
Fun Shoe
linux is the desktop operating system for people with opinions. that population is not small nor insignificant.

carry on then
Jul 10, 2010

by VideoGames

(and can't post for 10 years!)

The_Franz posted:

  • it's not on steam so it wasn't valve
  • it's not on gog, so it wasn't cd projekt red
  • no clue why nintendo or microsoft would want a linux port
  • the atari-box people? they likely don't have "deep pockets" though
  • sony? people at gaikai have been sending patches for sony controllers and taking an interest in linux for "internal reasons" over the last year
  • google? maybe they asked for a linux port in addition to android? they certainly fulfill the "deep pockets" part

i'd guess facebook dba oculus

pseudorandom name
May 6, 2007

carry on then posted:

i'd guess facebook dba oculus

oh, well, if we're going that route, Steam VR is much more plausible since Valve already has a Linux presence

mrmcd
Feb 22, 2003

Pictured: The only good cop (a fictional one).

My favorite part of systemd is how mad it makes the "I've been going to LISA for over 20 years..." crowd.

Suspicious Dish
Sep 24, 2011

2020 is the year of linux on the desktop, bro
Fun Shoe
keep in mind i'm never going to tell you if you're right or wrong but keep guessing i guess

carry on then
Jul 10, 2010

by VideoGames

(and can't post for 10 years!)

Suspicious Dish posted:

keep in mind i'm never going to tell you if you're right or wrong but keep guessing i guess

if you didn't want people to guess, don't literally say "i'll let you guess"

Suspicious Dish
Sep 24, 2011

2020 is the year of linux on the desktop, bro
Fun Shoe
i thought that was a pretty clear expression for "i can't say who for obvious reasons, so go ahead and ponder"

carry on then
Jul 10, 2010

by VideoGames

(and can't post for 10 years!)

Suspicious Dish posted:

i thought that was a pretty clear expression for "i can't say who for obvious reasons, so go ahead and ponder"

lmao, your follow up post obviously indicates you took issue with us doing just that

Suspicious Dish
Sep 24, 2011

2020 is the year of linux on the desktop, bro
Fun Shoe
i don't mind if people ponder i'm just making it clear i can't answer yes/no for certain if people are looking for confirmation. like that guy who was confused about steamos / steam for linux and got mad at me about it.

hifi
Jul 25, 2012

my guess: ouya

Best Bi Geek Squid
Mar 25, 2016

Athas posted:

Warning: this is an off-topic Mac desktop post.

it's not off-topic friend; macos is the worlds most advanced linux operating system

also,

hifi posted:

my guess: ouya

Maximum Leader
Dec 5, 2014
ill go with unknown Chinese billionaire with a secret passion for linux gaming

FlapYoJacks
Feb 12, 2009
He’s bringing back Loki Entertainment!!!!

pseudorandom name
May 6, 2007

the weird thing is that his company's games area already available on every platform except Linux, so somebody with deep pockets paying them to port to their platform and Linux "while you're at it" doesn't leave any platform besides Linux for them to port to

comedy option: Chrome OS

OldAlias
Nov 2, 2013

riot games? lol

eschaton
Mar 7, 2007

Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?
you know what would’ve been cool

if the companies that wrote N64 games and set them up to also build for IRIX had also shipped them for IRIX

GoldenEye at 1280×1024 against your coworkers on your Indigos, all licensed via FLEX.lm

Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene

cinci zoo sniper posted:

the gently caress you are talking about. steam for linux is a standalone app, steamos is fork of debian 8

confusingly both steam-on-linux and steamOS ship a separate Ubuntu 12.x-based runtime environment for Steam applications

Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene

eschaton posted:

you know what would’ve been cool

if the companies that wrote N64 games and set them up to also build for IRIX had also shipped them for IRIX

GoldenEye at 1280×1024 against your coworkers on your Indigos, all licensed via FLEX.lm

an indigo was much slower than an n64

an indigo 2 was a lot faster, but not fast enough to do anything interesting with videogame graphics. even 'solid impact' would render quake at 1 fps

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




Notorious b.s.d. posted:

confusingly both steam-on-linux and steamOS ship a separate Ubuntu 12.x-based runtime environment for Steam applications

steam-on-linux began its life as an ubuntu "canonical app store" app iirc

Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene
since suspicious dish works for telltale games i'm gonna guess the industry giant was either sony or microsoft, paying for a port to their consoles and linux just for shits and giggles?

it's the best guess i can put together but i still can't imagine a business reason for a third party to pay telltale to port the wolf among us / walking dead to linux

edit: maybe the "linux" port is really an android port?

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Suspicious Dish
Sep 24, 2011

2020 is the year of linux on the desktop, bro
Fun Shoe
we already have had a working android port of our game for years. this is a desktop linux port i'm maintaining.

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