|
dead comedy forums posted:one thing I am curious about is how they are going to address the elder race/martians in the future seasons, since its their tech after all that allows the entire setting to be possible The other books aren't as good as Altered Carbon, but they're by no means bad. They're just not cyberpunk noir detective stories. The second one would be amazing to see on TV, but you'd really need to know what you're doing and have a hell of a budget for some of the sets; Kovacs is earning a nice paycheque as a mercenary combating against a global uprising on Sanction IV (Ex-Envoys get the big bucks in those kinds of places), when he gets approached for a veritable treasure hunt; An archaeologist who has apparently found not only a Martian portal (like a Stargate), but a fully intact Martian warship on the far side of it. And a good old heist setup to obtain it; Get a backer, put together a team, try to steal the loot (or in this case; slam a claim beacon on it and call dibs).
|
#
?
Feb 17, 2018 03:55
|
|
|
|
| # ? Apr 20, 2024 04:48 |
|
|
That sounds like an awesome season of TV to be honest.
|
|
#
?
Feb 17, 2018 05:43
|
|
|
Bust Rodd posted:That sounds like an awesome season of TV to be honest.
|
|
#
?
Feb 17, 2018 05:53
|
|
|
Do people not interpret the genre shifting as a meta-analytical deconstruction of sleeving? Gosh it seems pretty obvious to me!
|
|
#
?
Feb 17, 2018 05:55
|
|
|
Sleeve my wiener.
|
|
#
?
Feb 17, 2018 06:28
|
|
|
R-Type posted:Double Sleeve my wiener. they can do that right
|
|
#
?
Feb 17, 2018 06:35
|
|
|
Yeah, but they'd only be forked copies of the original wiener not actual transfe
|
|
#
?
Feb 17, 2018 06:49
|
|
|
“Aliens made it” feels like a cop out
|
|
#
?
Feb 17, 2018 06:56
|
|
|
Caganer posted:“Aliens made it” feels like a cop out What, Stacks? It is. The book versions are entirely a human creation. They're treated as being about as exotic and mystical as a smartphone, aside from the Catholics and they're a dying sect.
|
|
#
?
Feb 17, 2018 07:02
|
|
|
Neddy Seagoon posted:What, Stacks? It is. The book versions are entirely a human creation. They're treated as being about as exotic and mystical as a smartphone, aside from the Catholics and they're a dying sect. Oh I thought someone said in the books Martian’s built them abs the second is then messing with a stargate or some poo poo my bad
|
|
#
?
Feb 17, 2018 07:04
|
|
|
Elissimpark posted:Yeah, but they'd only be forked copies of the original wiener not actual transfe Noooooooooo
|
|
#
?
Feb 17, 2018 07:08
|
|
|
Caganer posted:Oh I thought someone said in the books Martian’s built them abs the second is then messing with a stargate or some poo poo my bad Noo. If Martians had stacks, people would've been talking to them centuries ago. Plenty of Martoan corpses have been found over the years.
|
|
#
?
Feb 17, 2018 07:24
|
|
|
Neddy Seagoon posted:Noo. If Martians had stacks, people would've been talking to them centuries ago. Plenty of Martoan corpses have been found over the years. That’s super cool. So the martians had stargates and spaceships and poo poo but no stacks? Weird.
|
|
#
?
Feb 17, 2018 07:25
|
|
|
Caganer posted:That’s super cool. So the martians had stargates and spaceships and poo poo but no stacks? Weird. Part of what makes Kovacs' homeworld, Harlan's World, interesting is that there is a global network of automated Martian orbital laser cannons just floating over it that will happily vaporize anything that goes up in the sky in a big blue beam of light. Not like the series little nod with a red beam through a ship that makes it explode, but more of a finger-of-god-massively-wide bright blue beam that just cleanly erases whatever got targeted. Nobody knows the exact targeting parameters beyond "bigger than a small six-seater helicopter", and even that is a very dicey guess that no-one really wants to trust. The only reason the original Colony Barge got down to the surface is a few have failed and opened a gap in the equator. It's also why a lot of people on Harlan's World have have an innate fear of heights; They don't go up above sea level much.
|
|
#
?
Feb 17, 2018 10:02
|
|
|
Caganer posted:That’s super cool. So the martians had stargates and spaceships and poo poo but no stacks? Weird. That very thing is brought up in the second book. Briefly in a conversation, not a major plot point.
|
|
#
?
Feb 17, 2018 14:55
|
|
|
Caganer posted:That’s super cool. So the martians had stargates and spaceships and poo poo but no stacks? Weird. Maybe they chose not to have stacks for cultural reasons? Or maybe their physiology was incompatible with that sort of tech. Neddy Seagoon posted:Part of what makes Kovacs' homeworld, Harlan's World, interesting is that there is a global network of automated Martian orbital laser cannons just floating over it that will happily vaporize anything that goes up in the sky in a big blue beam of light. Not like the series little nod with a red beam through a ship that makes it explode, but more of a finger-of-god-massively-wide bright blue beam that just cleanly erases whatever got targeted. Nobody knows the exact targeting parameters beyond "bigger than a small six-seater helicopter", and even that is a very dicey guess that no-one really wants to trust. The only reason the original Colony Barge got down to the surface is a few have failed and opened a gap in the equator. It's also why a lot of people on Harlan's World have have an innate fear of heights; They don't go up above sea level much. I wonder what they were trying to keep from leaving the planet.
|
|
#
?
Feb 17, 2018 15:02
|
|
|
Stacks would be much cooler if it only worked for humans I think, because then it gives aliens a reason to be afraid of us instead of just laughing at our absurd external genitalia
|
|
#
?
Feb 17, 2018 15:05
|
|
|
There Bias Two posted:I wonder what they were trying to keep from leaving the planet. Nobody knows. They're also pretty aggressively active on their own, because nights are always lit up by at least one Orbital test-firing out into the ocean.
|
|
#
?
Feb 17, 2018 15:21
|
|
|
Didn’t the martians have some kind of remote upload thing going on and didn’t need stacks? It’s been ages since I read the books so I’m probably misremembering.
|
|
#
?
Feb 17, 2018 18:04
|
|
|
Ugly In The Morning posted:Didn’t the martians have some kind of remote upload thing going on and didn’t need stacks? It’s been ages since I read the books so I’m probably misremembering. Nobody’s sure. Some think they didn’t have technological immortality and some say we just haven’t found the mechanism.
|
|
#
?
Feb 17, 2018 20:48
|
|
|
I love how much stuff regarding the Martians is “gently caress if we know” and some guesswork. That ship at the end of book 2 was crazy.
|
|
#
?
Feb 17, 2018 20:51
|
|
|
Caganer posted:That’s super cool. So the martians had stargates and spaceships and poo poo but no stacks? Weird. Why is that weird? The technologies are wholly unrelated.
|
|
#
?
Feb 17, 2018 20:55
|
|
|
Noctone posted:Why is that weird? The technologies are wholly unrelated. What if you enter the stargate at one end and the you that steps out on the other end...
|
|
#
?
Feb 17, 2018 20:57
|
|
|
Bust Rodd posted:Stacks would be much cooler if it only worked for humans I think, because then it gives aliens a reason to be afraid of us instead of just laughing at our absurd external genitalia As someone whose played Eclipse Phase, wrong. Getting humans into non-human bodies is some interesting poo poo, and vice-versa. Of course, Eclipse Phase morphs/sleeves tend to default to octopi as the preferred morph since most environments are going to be zero-gravity. It's almost a running gag, since they have uplift octopi, robot octopi, and the Reaper, which is a giant synth sleeve that's basically a flying tank turret with four arms and four rocket-powered legs. Also, EP kind of ruined the ending for me because I kept thinking that Kovacs should have third-forked his DHF into an Octomorph, given it a jetpack and a bunch of guns and swords, and used that as a backup when everything went pearshaped. Like have Kovacs Squid rocket into the room through a window with eight katanas and blenderize the Ghostwalker and Reileen's goons
|
|
#
?
Feb 17, 2018 21:01
|
|
|
Ugly In The Morning posted:Didn’t the martians have some kind of remote upload thing going on and didn’t need stacks? It’s been ages since I read the books so I’m probably misremembering. Quell got remotely uploaded to the orbitals, and encountered something in there. Maybe uploaded Martians/elders, maybe AI, maybe something else.
|
|
#
?
Feb 17, 2018 21:41
|
|
|
Rhyno posted:What if you enter the stargate at one end and the you that steps out on the other end... The Martian Stargate is a weird black obelisk that creates a sphere around it showing the other side. There's no weird transfer or tunnel, it's just a singularity bridging two points.
|
|
#
?
Feb 18, 2018 01:10
|
|
|
There Bias Two posted:Maybe they chose not to have stacks for cultural reasons? Or maybe their physiology was incompatible with that sort of tech.
|
|
#
?
Feb 18, 2018 04:14
|
|
|
Goofballs posted:I'm not going to dig out the book because I'm lazy but one way this argument gets put is imagine you decided to go on a mission to another star system. Its a long way away so you have to be put into long term sleep like in the aliens movies. Because its a long way away and there is uncertainty NASA or whoever make a perfect clone of you so if there is a technical mishap you have a backup. The mishap happens and the spaceship crashes. You land on the surface of the earth like planet and you are still alive but you're going to die. You are in pain but entirely lucid. Your clone comes out of wreckage. He's fine. He tells you don't worry about dying I will continue. Are you comforted by this? Zaphod42 posted:Then data doesn't even exist Zaphod42 posted:Its an idea that never takes place in our universe. What does exist are representations, and each representation of a data set is unique and separate from other representations. And I think I see were you're going with this - you want to define a person as a particular representation of an idea. But then you run straight into the problem of continuity. If all your component pieces are replaced, how are you the same person? Since atoms are entirely interchangeable it makes no difference if you replace them gradually or all at once. And the only way out of this is to go back to defining a person as the idea itself. Zaphod42 posted:The entire field of philosophy would love to disagree with you. Zaphod42 posted:Not having molecules of art doesn't mean subjective doesn't exist. I watch a movie and I feel things; the subjective exists. QED.
|
|
#
?
Feb 18, 2018 15:18
|
|
|
This thread reminds me of this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdxucpPq6Lc I thought this series was decent although the Reileen segue felt kind of stupid. It's been awhile since I read the book but I remember it added up better plot wise.
|
|
#
?
Feb 19, 2018 05:24
|
|
|
Well, after enjoying the show I checked out the books, the author really likes his graphic sex scenes  . I hope some of the crazy Sci/Fi weapons from the books make into future seasons.
|
|
#
?
Feb 19, 2018 08:40
|
|
|
ghouldaddy07 posted:Well, after enjoying the show I checked out the books, the author really likes his graphic sex scenes I don't know if they could get away with the Vibe Batteries even in a Netflix series. (They're ultrasonic tuning forks of death, that completely liquify people. And rock.)
|
|
#
?
Feb 19, 2018 08:59
|
|
|
Neddy Seagoon posted:I don't know if they could get away with the Vibe Batteries even in a Netflix series. The ultravibe grenades?
|
|
#
?
Feb 19, 2018 12:41
|
|
|
Collateral posted:The ultravibe grenades? No, the ultravibes were big emplacement and ship-mounted guns. The grenades were corrosion bombs that made things rot and rust.
|
|
#
?
Feb 19, 2018 12:46
|
|
|
this show is real good.
|
|
#
?
Feb 19, 2018 17:42
|
|
|
Motherfucker posted:this show is real good. The message turns out to be the the super rich must die. That appeals to me. Its also some fun noir. I worry about every netflix show that makes it through the first series though.
|
|
#
?
Feb 20, 2018 02:43
|
|
|
Goofballs posted:The message turns out to be the the super rich must die. That appeals to me. Its also some fun noir. I worry about every netflix show that makes it through the first series though. The good parts are from the book, all the bad ones are series-original. They've also deviated far enough that they can't fully adapt books two and three due to their Young-Adult-Novel-tier rewrite of Kovacs' past. A second season would have to be far more in the hands of the series writers, and they're not capable of much beyond tired "Supernatural Guy Who Solves Crimes" cliches at the best of times.
|
|
#
?
Feb 20, 2018 03:33
|
|
|
Neddy Seagoon posted:The good parts are from the book, all the bad ones are series-original. They've also deviated far enough that they can't fully adapt books two and three due to their Young-Adult-Novel-tier rewrite of Kovacs' past. It is a bit concerning but they ended season 1 well enough that you can say well gently caress it if it turns out to be garbage we had that one good season. And there have been good netflix second and third series, bojack horseman is loving great. Maybe it will go like that.
|
|
#
?
Feb 20, 2018 03:47
|
|
|
Goofballs posted:It is a bit concerning but they ended season 1 well enough that you can say well gently caress it if it turns out to be garbage we had that one good season. And there have been good netflix second and third series, bojack horseman is loving great. Maybe it will go like that. Let me put it another way; a lot of their changes needlessly convoluted, or contradicted, the book's versions for no actual benefit to the story.
|
|
#
?
Feb 20, 2018 03:50
|
|
|
Goofballs posted:The message turns out to be the the super rich must die. REAL good show.
|
|
#
?
Feb 20, 2018 07:01
|
|
|
|
| # ? Apr 20, 2024 04:48 |
|
|
Neddy Seagoon posted:The good parts are from the book, all the bad ones are series-original. They've also deviated far enough that they can't fully adapt books two and three due to their Young-Adult-Novel-tier rewrite of Kovacs' past. I mostly agree with this, with the exception of Nazi Abuela and The Raven.
|
|
#
?
Feb 20, 2018 08:59
|
|