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Atlas Hugged posted:That relationship was strange. Outside of the one line earlier in the film, it's not mentioned again until the very end. They could have built that up a lot better and really ratcheted up the emotional tension and symbolism of the final battle. The final battle was the usual marvel thing where it gets needlessly complicated just to make sure everyone has something to do. W'Kabi's move from 'I'm kind of disappointed that you didn't catch Klaw the first time out' to 'I am not merely backing the new king, but actually fighting and killing my own people for him' just felt a bit too obviously a way to give T'Challa some random goons to fight before the final showdown. Snowman_McK fucked around with this message at 04:56 on Feb 17, 2018 |
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Need time to process this (generally super dug it), but between Get Out, the Black Mirror episode he was in, and this movie, Daniel Kaluuya characters have a huge habit of having his plans screwed by his lovers, doesn't he. Also, Martin Freeman being all sorts of confused for 80% of the runtime is just wonderful.
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Feb 17, 2018 05:29
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That cool final line "like my ancestors who threw themselves from the ships, i would rather die than be held in bondage" is insanely dumb if I don't consider it a purely metaphorical statement. Dude, your ancestors didn't do that, because the people who did that are all dead and didn't have kids.
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Feb 17, 2018 05:34
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I truly disagree with the notion that a comedic scene undercuts a dramatic scene. For me, it's super palpable to have mad tension, and then laugh as a release. It's supposed to be a calming moment to let you know that the shift has happened. I don't think it ruins anything. It just shifts it.
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Feb 17, 2018 05:35
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MisterBibs posted:Need time to process this (generally super dug it), but between Get Out, the Black Mirror episode he was in, and this movie, Daniel Kaluuya characters have a huge habit of having his plans screwed by his lovers, doesn't he. Real missed opportunity not having him ask for a pair of pants after waking up. ungulateman posted:That cool final line "like my ancestors who threw themselves from the ships, i would rather die than be held in bondage" is insanely dumb if I don't consider it a purely metaphorical statement. Dude, your ancestors didn't do that, because the people who did that are all dead and didn't have kids. I mean 'ancestors', unlike 'forefathers', doesn't have to mean direct lineage.
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Feb 17, 2018 05:35
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ungulateman posted:That cool final line "like my ancestors who threw themselves from the ships, i would rather die than be held in bondage" is insanely dumb if I don't consider it a purely metaphorical statement. Dude, your ancestors didn't do that, because the people who did that are all dead and didn't have kids. Also, it could mean parents who did it but were survived by their children. garycoleisgod fucked around with this message at 06:19 on Feb 17, 2018 |
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Feb 17, 2018 06:12
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I dunno, the rhino struck me as a really great and fitting scene. The animal that was used to represent traditional Wakandan lifestyles (in the scene on the farm at the beginning) refuses to take part in kinslaying and brings the fight to an end by not participating.
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Feb 17, 2018 06:20
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someone ruin all 5 of the stupid stinger scenes for me, please
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Feb 17, 2018 06:26
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Firstborn posted:someone ruin all 5 of the stupid stinger scenes for me, please There was only two, summarized as some white dude asking what Wakanda could possibly provide the world and oh, hey, Bucky is in Wakanda. (I think, the theater turned down the audio and people leaving made it hard to hear audio)
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Feb 17, 2018 06:28
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MisterBibs posted:There was only two, summarized as some white dude asking what Wakanda could possibly provide the world and oh, hey, Bucky is in Wakanda. We already knew he was there. But last we saw him he was going into cryosleep or something. This time he seems fully healed, just in time for Infinity War.
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Feb 17, 2018 06:54
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ungulateman posted:That cool final line "like my ancestors who threw themselves from the ships, i would rather die than be held in bondage" is insanely dumb if I don't consider it a purely metaphorical statement. Dude, your ancestors didn't do that, because the people who did that are all dead and didn't have kids. You do understand it’s possible to first have a kid and THEN die, right?
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Feb 17, 2018 07:01
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I like how that how for a country with the most advanced medical technology in the world the process for rehabilitating a brainwashed super-assassin involves having him live in a remote hut with a bunch of kids around. It was nice how much fun everyone appeared to be having doing whatever they were doing like how Klaw came out of the botched vibranium deal like he'd just got off a roller coaster, and the whole chase scene afterwards. And the opening action scene basically being T'challa dropping in on his ex-girlfriend at work to see if she'll come to his coronation thing.
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Feb 17, 2018 07:10
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ungulateman posted:That cool final line "like my ancestors who threw themselves from the ships, i would rather die than be held in bondage" is insanely dumb if I don't consider it a purely metaphorical statement. Dude, your ancestors didn't do that, because the people who did that are all dead and didn't have kids. What a bizarre critique.
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Feb 17, 2018 07:16
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I did think it would have been neat if the reveal with the mountain tribe was that they had a whole secret garden of the magic plant that they could have used at any point to overthrow the kings but had chosen not to as they weren't interested in ruling or forcing their lifestyle on the other tribes. I guess now there just won't be any more Black Panthers.
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Feb 17, 2018 07:17
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Pretty much every character ruled.
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Feb 17, 2018 07:19
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Atlas Hugged posted:I did think it would have been neat if the reveal with the mountain tribe was that they had a whole secret garden of the magic plant that they could have used at any point to overthrow the kings but had chosen not to as they weren't interested in ruling or forcing their lifestyle on the other tribes. I guess now there just won't be any more Black Panthers. I thought it would be revealed that Killmonger was aided by the heart-shaped herb when he challenged and defeated T'Challa for the throne. Nope he is just badass
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Feb 17, 2018 07:20
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gohmak posted:I thought it would be revealed that Killmonger was aided by the heart-shaped herb when he challenged and defeated T'Challa for the throne. Nope he is just badass Resulting in another awesome King Gorilla line.
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Feb 17, 2018 07:25
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So I saw this today and it was alright. 7/10
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Feb 17, 2018 07:27
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CelticPredator posted:I truly disagree with the notion that a comedic scene undercuts a dramatic scene. For me, it's super palpable to have mad tension, and then laugh as a release. It's supposed to be a calming moment to let you know that the shift has happened. I don't think it ruins anything. It just shifts it. You're right in that doing that doesn't inherently ruin the moment but some of the Marvel movies do it to the point where it becomes a very obvious trope and gets less interesting the more it is done.
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Feb 17, 2018 07:31
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Z. Autobahn posted:You do understand it’s possible to first have a kid and THEN die, right? I swear to god every time an MCU film comes out CD spirals further and further into abject lunacy. That you even had to post this is proof.
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Feb 17, 2018 07:53
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"I will feed you to our children......Just kidding. We are vegetarians." M'Baku loving rules.
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Feb 17, 2018 08:03
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MisterBibs posted:There was only two, summarized as some white dude asking what Wakanda could possibly provide the world and oh, hey, Bucky is in Wakanda. More accurately: oh, hey, Bucky is in Wakanda and might end up becoming White Wolf if that wasn't just an Easter egg.
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Feb 17, 2018 08:24
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Z. Autobahn posted:You do understand it’s possible to first have a kid and THEN die, right? And isn't it possible to use "ancestors" to refer to your people in general, rather than just your exact specific ancestors? DC Murderverse posted:You're right in that doing that doesn't inherently ruin the moment but some of the Marvel movies do it to the point where it becomes a very obvious trope and gets less interesting the more it is done. It's really not that comedic, though. Yall are acting like the dude slipped off his rhino and fell into some poopy. Most of that moment comes from "ohhhh right, they were an item, of course the rhino would like her".
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Feb 17, 2018 08:25
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Pigbuster posted:It's really not that comedic, though. Yall are acting like the dude slipped off his rhino and fell into some poopy. Most of that moment comes from "ohhhh right, they were an item, of course the rhino would like her". oh i didn't mean it about that scene, i thought that was just fine. It's just a broader complaint about a lot of the Marvel films and some of them have it more than others. I don't remember any really egregious instances in BP
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Feb 17, 2018 08:34
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DC Murderverse posted:oh i didn't mean it about that scene, i thought that was just fine. It's just a broader complaint about a lot of the Marvel films and some of them have it more than others. I don't remember any really egregious instances in BP ...whoops yeah sorry, I was using your post to respond to that overall subject. I feel the same way.
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Bill Dungsroman posted:I swear to god every time an MCU film comes out CD spirals further and further into abject lunacy. That you even had to post this is proof. lmao I was just nitpicking a line I explicitly recognised as metaphorical you abject lunatic
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Feb 17, 2018 08:46
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TheBigBudgetSequel posted:"I will feed you to our children......Just kidding. We are vegetarians." Nobody that ripped is a goddamn vegetarian.
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Feb 17, 2018 11:09
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poptart_fairy posted:Nobody that ripped is a goddamn vegetarian. You have no idea what you're talking about, and have fallen victim to the real men eat meat meme.
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Feb 17, 2018 11:23
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Insincerity, on my Internet?
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DC Murderverse posted:You're right in that doing that doesn't inherently ruin the moment but some of the Marvel movies do it to the point where it becomes a very obvious trope and gets less interesting the more it is done. Guardians Vol 2 worked the best for me but apparently no one else here so I don’t now.
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Feb 17, 2018 12:05
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Atlas Hugged posted:We already knew he was there. But last we saw him he was going into cryosleep or something. This time he seems fully healed, just in time for Infinity War. This is actually a little confusing because in the post-credits for that he's shown going into a cryo-sleep, but then the events of BLACK PANTHER seem to come pretty soon after CIVIL WAR. Either stuff got cut, which is likely, or he's in cryo-sleep for about 2 days. I also feel a little like the actual ending to the movie and the first post-credit scene got switched. I thought it was a nice mirror to a similar scene in IRON MAN. I do like that the only link to the larger MCU is the line "Great, you've given me another broken white boy to fix".
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Feb 17, 2018 13:18
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Well we know it only takes a day to cure poo poo in Wakanda so...
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Feb 17, 2018 13:53
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Anyone know the title of the song off the OST that played during during T'chanka being crowned king and during the credits at some point?
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Feb 17, 2018 14:38
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Fat_Cow posted:Anyone know the title of the song off the OST that played during during T'chanka being crowned king and during the credits at some point? If you mean the one with chanting that sounds like it includes t'challa's name it is 'Warrior Falls'. The soundtrack to this was way better than I expect from marvel. They did a great job layering western style orchestral stuff with african musical influences, and it adds a lot of energy to the action sequences. My favourite is the one that plays during the Korean club fight sequence with that fast paced female vocal bark (I'm not sure what the proper term for that noise is).
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Feb 17, 2018 14:58
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Man loses kingdom through legitimate channels, usurps throne through sordid, drug related means.
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Feb 17, 2018 15:25
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Moon Atari posted:If you mean the one with chanting that sounds like it includes t'challa's name it is 'Warrior Falls'. The soundtrack to this was way better than I expect from marvel. They did a great job layering western style orchestral stuff with african musical influences, and it adds a lot of energy to the action sequences. I’ve been listening to the soundtrack on Apple Music and it’s great. It might be on Spotify too but I’m not sure. This doesn’t really have anything to do with you but I just wanted to point out you can stream some of the music.
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Feb 17, 2018 15:31
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DC Murderverse posted:oh i didn't mean it about that scene, i thought that was just fine. It's just a broader complaint about a lot of the Marvel films and some of them have it more than others. I don't remember any really egregious instances in BP Only really big instance here was the rousing "let's go attack the bad guy" moment is immediately undercut by Gorilla Guy instead of embracing it.
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Feb 17, 2018 15:43
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poptart_fairy posted:Man loses kingdom through legitimate channels, usurps throne through sordid, drug related means. The rules are clear. The fight isn't over until one of them yields or dies. Not T'Challa's fault Erik went and assumed he was dead, then cheated before the fight was over by using the Heart-Shaped Herb to heal his wounds and gain the powers of the Black Panther while T'Challa was still in the river. Should have made sure.
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Feb 17, 2018 16:21
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Boris Galerkin posted:I’ve been listening to the soundtrack on Apple Music and it’s great. It might be on Spotify too but I’m not sure. I might pick this up too, I haven't heard really good bad rear end walking into the room tracks by a villain in a long time.
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