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MassRafTer posted:Yeah it's not a new thing. Bill once spent an entire set complaining about how much his tour bus sucked. I remember reading an interview in Outburn as a teenager where Bill spent the entire time talking about his new SUV.
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Counterpoint - Bill Leeb was the only Industrial artist who I ever met, because he went to the merchandise area after the show to chat with fans and sign autographs (1989, Club Post Nuclear). He seemed like a down-to-earth dude.
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Bill Leeb was never really a dude who enjoyed playing live, but by many accounts he was much less insufferable before he sold a million records with Delerium.
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Maybe Leeb dogs it in America since every time I've seen FLA live in Europe they've been awesome. I dunno. Anyway, just picked this thing from the post office  It's the limited edition CD of the new Project Pitchfork album Akkretion and it's freaking HUGE. Pretty sure it's vinyl-sized? IO for comparison. It's also gorgeous inside  Photos don't really do it justice just how pretty it is irl. This is how you do a limited edition, folks. Anyway, I've been listening to the album for half a week online now and have Opinions about it. Purely sound-wise it probably doesn't sound too different compared to the last several Project Pitchfork albums, but it's definitely a step in a different direction. Generally it's a lighter and more sparse-sounding album with plenty of airy piano melodies, and we get some clean vocals from Spilles too. I think there's a different focus on the basslines on this album too, I feel they pop out more than on the previous Pitchfork albums - could be because of the aforementioned sparseness or maybe they're just mixed differently. The relative sparseness of it supports what are the actually the new and different elements of the album. Where the last albums have seemingly focused more and more (and more and more!) on huge club hooks and massive choruses and sounding big and aggressive, this is an album that is by comparison extremely understated and doesn't shy away from purposeful simplicity that accentuates the generally wonderful atmospheres on this album. For example, And the Sun Was Blue, in my opinion one of the best tracks on the album, doesn't even have a chorus that pops out from the song, it just builds this wonderful tension throughout the track that's never really resolved. I think a fantastic example of this in action is the bonus track Tree of Life, which, if it was on any of the other recent PP albums, would probably resemble Blood-Thirst or any of the other numbers that were clearly made for the club / live moshpit crowd. Instead, while Tree of Life is dark and heavy as gently caress, with metal guitars and Spilles doing what's almost like a death metal growl, it goes all in on a swampy and evil atmosphere. The best moments on this album are, in my opinion, the title track, Good Night Death, Crossire, the aforementioned And the Sun Was Blue and Tree of Life, and especially Ascension which is nothing short of breathtaking and makes me loving mad at just how good Spilles can be, seemingly casually. That track's an all-time great Project Pitchfork song for sure. It's not an album without its weak bits, though, unfortunately, and that's possibly due to the more understated songwriting. A couple of the songs just never really go anywhere (The New Day and the wonderfully named Good, You Are Distant) or feel out of place or are placed in an unfavorable spot on the album - Circulation fits the last two. It's a totally alright track but sounds like it could be on any of the more recent albums and comes between Crossfire and Ascension, two of the strongest tracks on the entire album. All in all it's not a perfect album but it IS really solid, and while it's not the massive departure from the previous sound the promo text was claiming it would be, it's definitely the most intriguing Project Pitchfork album in a while. Spilles has said all three of the albums in this new trilogy of albums are going to sound very different to each other - I hope he can deliver on that promise. This was a very good album to start it. Anyway, those are some  about a Project Pitchfork album. Hope my fellow Pitchfork fanboys weigh in on it too, I'm interested in your opinions!!!!!!!!!
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Holy moly. Alright I have to listen to that now.Wizchine posted:Counterpoint - Bill Leeb was the only Industrial artist who I ever met, because he went to the merchandise area after the show to chat with fans and sign autographs (1989, Club Post Nuclear). He seemed like a down-to-earth dude. Tom Shear from Assemblage 23 is really nice and swell. Last year, the goth festival Convergence was held here in Dallas so I went down to that. Saw Kanga, which owned. Then watched IRIS play the next day, and Frank Spinath pops out of nowhere and they performed a few songs, including Edge of Dawn. Kicked loving rear end and I talked to him afterwards, and he was a great, down-to-earth guy. I try to avoid talking to these people, though, for some personal reasons -- I want to define fairly strict boundaries between myself and these artists, who are often juggling 100 things at once -- but I had to ambush Spinath on the patio and he couldn't have been more accommodating. But he had just showed up for a weekend vacation to Texas and more than anything, I think he was surprised someone in Dallas wanted to geek out about Seabound stuff. BrutalistMcDonalds fucked around with this message at 22:45 on Jan 30, 2018 |
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:I've met a few industrial artists. I might be totally wrong but I think one thing that's generally positive is that the scene is so small to begin with, it makes it harder to be pretentious. The jerks certainly exist but it's hard to see how it could be worse than other music scenes, which seem overrun with massive egos. I remember more than 10 years ago seeing Death From Above, which is like this dance-punk band that would get rave reviews on Pitchfork back when there was something called "indie" rock, and after the show I saw them treat this poor kid horribly. It was one of the most pretentious things I've ever seen.
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I was taken aback at how friendly Doug McCarthy was when I chatted to him after a show, given his intimidating stage persona. Andy Combichrist is just an arrogant and wants to be a big deal though, according to various friends and some local promoters.
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Ogre is super down to earth and an extremely likable guy. Cevin is pretty cool too as I understand, although it's rumored he can be a complete dick. Probably best to bait him with quality weed. Also, Youth Code were super nice.
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Jan 30, 2018 21:40
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Oh, and Raymond Watts, who is a doll.
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Hedenius posted:Have to agree with this. I saw VNV Nation in the early 00's and even though Ronan Harris has a reputation for being a huge diva he hung out in the bar after the show and answered a million inane questions from a bunch of drunken Swedes. That also means I really don't care to meet, say, Ronan Harris, right? I don't know the dude. My relationship is more economic and transactional: I pay him, he entertains me. He might as well be an actor on a screen in a movie. But I remember going to shows when I was teen and waiting outside a band's tour bus with fans -- now imagine you're the artist in this relationship. I'm wondering whether that's why some of these artists let their stage personas go to their heads. The relationship with the audience is out of whack. In any case, at my age it'd start to feel a little odd to do that now, besides it's getting late and I'm getting tired sheesh. So I think the main thing is that if I do meet one of these people, I want to engage with the person in front of me, and not with the person on the stage (when they're in front of me), if that makes sense. I'm still going to ambush a Spinath on a patio though. BrutalistMcDonalds fucked around with this message at 22:51 on Jan 30, 2018 |
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Good stuff. This Project Pitchfork album also goes good with Saturday morning coffee. It's a Saturday morning coffee record.
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New Cardinal Noire: https://cardinalnoiretrauma.bandcamp.com/album/deluge
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Going to see Covenant, Grendel and ... Aesthetic Perfection eh in April. Two out of three ain't bad. Industrial Bon Jovi here I come.
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Appreciate there's a limited amount of folk in the thread who get excited about the Infest festival, but This Morn' Omina have been announced and I am super excited to be seeing them again!
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:Going to see Covenant, Grendel and ... Aesthetic Perfection eh in April. Grendel owns live and I haven't seen AP yet but I want to. Problem is, the nearest show to me is 90 minutes away, on a Thursday night. Still, considering it.
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I'm a huge fan of Jim Thirwell, so I figure I should check out Raymond Watts stuff since its in the same vein. Whats the best Pig album to start with?
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Feb 10, 2018 23:07
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morally adept posted:I'm a huge fan of Jim Thirwell, so I figure I should check out Raymond Watts stuff since its in the same vein. Whats the best Pig album to start with?
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david_a posted:I would say Praise the Lard, Sinsation, and Wrecked are his peak. Lard is very much a “lock myself in a room and eventually emerge with an album” (like Thirwell) while the other two have some more involvement with a guitarist. Sinsation and Wrecked kind of feel like a more organic, less sterile KMFDM. These are good recommendations. Go see them live, too. Pig puts on a concert that fucks.
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The Kanga remix of Diamond Sinners is so good it deserves to be on any PIG list just because it owns so much.
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david_a posted:Sinsation and Wrecked kind of feel like a more orgasmic, less sterile KMFDM.
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morally adept posted:I'm a huge fan of Jim Thirwell, so I figure I should check out Raymond Watts stuff since its in the same vein. Whats the best Pig album to start with? 
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Yeah I totally dig this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAkQUeJ7eJs but I'll be damned if it doesn't sound a lot like Wiseblood https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCYPvERaxZw
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:Going to see Covenant, Grendel and ... Aesthetic Perfection eh in April. Same. Of all the tours to come to Richmond, wtf/excited/grateful.
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morally adept posted:I'm a huge fan of Jim Thirwell, so I figure I should check out Raymond Watts stuff since its in the same vein. Whats the best Pig album to start with? His latest "The Gospel" holds a soft spot because it was actually the first PIG album I heard, but I think Wrecked is probably his best. Sinsation is great too. The show I went to last summer was one of the best I've been to. BrutalistMcDonalds posted:The Kanga remix of Diamond Sinners is so good it deserves to be on any PIG list just because it owns so much.
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I just want to take a moment to declare how loving insanely awesome J.G. Thirwell is. Some fan made this diy video back in the 90's with a couple vcrs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OCSLzIGkSk
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I still need to really absorb Thirwell. I've never really taken the time to do it, and the influences on Watts are obvious.Whispering Machines posted:100% true. Her shows look fun as hell, I hope she comes out to the east coast soon. She is fun! I saw her perform for a crowd of like... 10 people a few months ago. Some local vampire roleplaying club (I think?) raised enough money to fly her in for a gig before a goth festival. Thanks vampires!  Also I'd rank PIG albums with #1 being Wrecked, #2 as Praise the Lard. The Gospel is great but it's in a different category from the old PIG. I like to listen to his later, more metal albums when I go grocery shopping. For some reason it works really well for me when I'm buying lunch meat: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvGDt8ukH3E BrutalistMcDonalds fucked around with this message at 09:04 on Feb 13, 2018 |
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Best JG Thirwell is the Archer theme
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JG Thirlwell is a golden god. Water Torture, Satan Place, Today I Started Slogging...it’s all so good and nothing and no one has ever sounded like that.
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I wasn't actually serious, I just marvel every time I see his name on the credits.
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A surprising lack of love for The Swining, which is at least as good as PtL, Sinsation and Wrecked and is the transition point between his earlier Thirlwell-inspired material and his later more straightforward industrial rock stuff, which for me makes it his most essential album (it also doesn't hurt that it's got "Find It, gently caress It, Forget It" and "Blades" in their original forms, which I greatly prefer to their Wrecked remixes).
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"Red Raw & Sore" is also a great tune for the Terminator 2 nod. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVZ2NShfCE8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpxQcUPfceU
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mennoknight posted:JG Thirlwell is a golden god. Water Torture, Satan Place, Today I Started Slogging...it’s all so good and nothing and no one has ever sounded like that. I'm very fortunate to have Hole on vinyl  . Best of all I only paid like 8 bucks for it back in 2007.
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sethsez posted:A surprising lack of love for The Swining, which is at least as good as PtL, Sinsation and Wrecked and is the transition point between his earlier Thirlwell-inspired material and his later more straightforward industrial rock stuff, which for me makes it his most essential album (it also doesn't hurt that it's got "Find It, gently caress It, Forget It" and "Blades" in their original forms, which I greatly prefer to their Wrecked remixes).
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I think the only PIG I wouldn't start with is the newer stuff, partially because he leans on references to older tracks and otherwise just sounds schlocky without meaning. If you like the Thirwell, you should probably check out the early PIG stuff like Poke in the Eye with a Sharp Stick and poo poo for Brains, since Thirwell remixed a few of those tracks and worked on them. (Also Thirwell's/Foetus Corruptus album Rife features Watts on bass, credited, I believe, as Ray Scaballero). But ultimately, there is no wrong answer for PIG listening. Maybe the PIG v Sow stuff. Never really got into that. PtL, Wrecked, Sinsation and the Swining/RRS are for sure the go-to, but even the one-off PIG v KMFDM ep and the newer PIG/Primitive Race stuff is fun. The Prime Evil & Stroll in the Pork EPs have some good covers as well, and I've always been a sucker for Raymond's take on 1979. david_a posted:Is it actually available for purchase anywhere? Basically no - I'd imagine that a lot of his older stuff is in intellectual property hell and will likely not see re-releases anytime soon. You might have slightly better luck looking for the re-released version that also includes the Red, Raw & Sore EP. But I spent about $40 when I tracked that down and bought it about 12 years ago.
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Hubbardologist posted:If you like the Thirwell, you should probably check out the early PIG stuff like Poke in the Eye with a Sharp Stick I second this. His new stuff is good as well, but the old weird stuff where it sounds like he's been sitting up in the middle of the night sampling his TV is really good and sets up his persona a lot.
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david_a posted:Is it actually available for purchase anywhere? Discogs. I don't remember if I've bought anything from Discogs but other fans have mentioned it before as a good place to grab rarer stuff, and sometimes things pop up on ebay. I know he's got new music on the way but wouldn't be surprised if he re-releases something older as well. I'm excited to see Grendel/AP this spring! I've been listening to the new album a lot the past couple of weeks, especially "Flux." Don't think I've seen it mentioned yet, but 3TEETH are touring again soon, this time with H09909.
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Btw, Spotify's new concert feature that shows you a list of upcoming shows based on your album library is amazingly convenient.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wh8todZyBw I really, really like Sky Collapse from Kirlian Camera's new album. With Eskil Simonsson from Covenant too.
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