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you haev no control over the end users linux => its gonna be broke for some users anyways => gently caress it use the latest and greatest its not like it was gonna work for everyone anyways
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Sapozhnik posted:contrary to what some linux touchers might believe though operating system design was not perfected in the 1980s, nor do people use computers the way they were used in the 1980s, nor do people have the same expectation of computers that they had in the 1980s. i appreciate fd.o and gnome and systemd for their thankless efforts to drag this poo poo userbase into the 21st century kicking and screaming every inch of the way. i think we can all agree that poo poo was not perfected in the 1980s however, people do use computers the way they did in the 1980s, and many 1980s expectations are still intact. you cannot disregard all the 1980 to present use cases that are inconvenient to implement, and expect to take the userbase with you life doesn't work that way agonizing compromise over incremental improvement is the default setting in all human affairs
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Feb 18, 2018 19:15
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Sapozhnik posted:and i would like to replace my desktop pc's windows installation with linux. unfortunately one of the things i do with that desktop pc is play video games, which is the only thing that keeps windows 7 on it. i just don't play any games that don't work on linux problem solved
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Feb 18, 2018 19:17
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:i just don't play any games that don't work on linux wise guy eh?
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Feb 18, 2018 19:21
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Helicity posted:i wish someone would port my favorite games to systemd
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Feb 18, 2018 19:23
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one of the big complaints about windows 10 was "where's my all programs menu in the start menu"
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:i think we can all agree that poo poo was not perfected in the 1980s the first wormable computer virus was the Morris worm from 1988. computer security is drastically different from how it used to be, especially with the move away from the "workstation" to the "personal computer" with the widespread success Windows in the 90s. people don't use computers the way they did in the 1980s.
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Feb 18, 2018 19:48
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hifi posted:one of the big complaints about windows 10 was "where's my all programs menu in the start menu"  right here???? that's the default view of the win10 start menu.
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hifi posted:one of the big complaints about windows 10 was "where's my all programs menu in the start menu" are you talking about nontechnicals
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:i think we can all agree that poo poo was not perfected in the 1980s windows, icons, menus, and pointers still exist. there are important use cases where command line interfaces are still the superior human-computer interaction mechanism despite what Apple and Microsoft thought in the 80s and 90s. other than that, no. in the 80s (or at least the 70s) computers were a shared and centrally managed resource with dedicated administrators responsible for managing them. chunks of the system bus were not ripped out on the fly and replaced with other things. computer networks were fixed and explicitly configured. all computing resources were confined within an organizational perimiter, and that organization had disciplinary power over any users who attempted to subvert them or otherwise misbehaved. none of these things hold any more and this has massive consequences for the design of computer systems at every level. particularly that last thing. the modern computing landscape was built by libertarians, and so that computing landscape was realized as a perfect libertarian hellscape where everybody lives in an armored fortress peeking out from iron slits at their similarly-armed neighbours. organized bands of marauders roam the landscape and if one of them blasts down your door with mortar fire and steals everything inside, well, it's you who was stupid enough not to keep up with the onerous cycle of maintenance on your armored dwelling. Sapozhnik fucked around with this message at 20:10 on Feb 18, 2018 |
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Feb 18, 2018 20:08
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:agonizing compromise over incremental improvement is the default setting in all human affairs
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Feb 18, 2018 20:10
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Suspicious Dish posted:
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Feb 18, 2018 20:24
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you'd love my actual desktop then
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Feb 18, 2018 20:29
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im ummm... guy_fieri.jpg
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im jeff.png
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Feb 18, 2018 20:31
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im we are number one music video
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Feb 18, 2018 20:39
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I’m one of the clifford ones, but I won’t tell you which one
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Feb 18, 2018 20:47
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Suspicious Dish posted:you'd love my actual desktop then this is violence
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Feb 18, 2018 20:48
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what is wrong with you?
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Feb 18, 2018 20:53
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Suspicious Dish posted:you'd love my actual desktop then horizontal taskbar 
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Feb 18, 2018 20:59
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Shinku ABOOKEN posted:horizontal taskbar what is wrong with you
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Feb 18, 2018 21:06
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cinci zoo sniper posted:what is wrong with you the only reason to have the taskbar horizontally is to read window titles, and those haven't been a thing since windows vista.
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Feb 18, 2018 21:09
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cinci zoo sniper posted:what is wrong with you
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Feb 18, 2018 21:10
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also please pin your work applications to your taskbar. that way you can just WinKey+number to start or switch to your application instead of using the start menu/desktop shortcuts and alt-tabbing like an animal
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Feb 18, 2018 21:11
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Shinku ABOOKEN posted:the only reason to have the taskbar horizontally is to read window titles, and those haven't been a thing since windows vista. have you used windows since vista?
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Feb 18, 2018 21:11
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cinci zoo sniper posted:have you used windows since vista? do you see window titles in the taskbar in the screenshot?
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Feb 18, 2018 21:12
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Shinku ABOOKEN posted:do you see window titles in the taskbar in the screenshot? if you're going to get mad, post yours
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Feb 18, 2018 21:13
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Shinku ABOOKEN posted:do you see window titles in the taskbar in the screenshot? 
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Feb 18, 2018 21:24
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Suspicious Dish posted:you'd love my actual desktop then some of those icons must have been there a long time given Pangya shut down a couple years ago
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Feb 18, 2018 21:27
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carry on then posted:if you're going to get mad, post yours link
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so you learned how taskbar works yet, bud?
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Feb 18, 2018 21:30
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if you mean wrongly, then no
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Sapozhnik posted:in the 80s (or at least the 70s) computers were a shared and centrally managed resource with dedicated administrators responsible for managing them. this is still an every-day problem for me at work at my current job, and, you know, all the jobs i had before. multi-user is a thing. pretending it is not a thing is just sticking your head in the ground it's true that many new needs and uses have appeared in the last four decades, but that does not mean the prior needs and uses went away. every use case that has ever existed still exists, and people are still paying to fill it often the mode and the price change significantly (shared word processing w/ sharepoint instead of wang; CAD on windows instead of a unix workstation) but the use case remains the same
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Feb 18, 2018 21:37
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Suspicious Dish posted:you'd love my actual desktop then i'm meirl.jpg
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:this is still an every-day problem for me at work at my current job, and, you know, all the jobs i had before. multi-user is a thing. Haven't we already established that your employer uses an absurdly atypical environment in order to work around having the world's biggest shitpile of legacy C++ outside of Redmond, WA?
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Feb 18, 2018 22:38
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lol
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Fiedler posted:Haven't we already established that your employer uses an absurdly atypical environment in order to work around having the world's biggest shitpile of legacy C++ outside of Redmond, WA? i've never worked anywhere that didn't have multi-user unix sorry not everyplace is a startup with two-user ruby codebases
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Suspicious Dish posted:you'd love my actual desktop then missing a good conky setup imo.
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:i've never worked anywhere that didn't have multi-user unix hmm, I can’t think of any systems like that at my place
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