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I work for an ~50 employee company that's basically a leader in it's niche field. said company incubated a startup that had some cool tech. I worked with said startup for two years doing all kinds of nifty poo poo and loving it. recently my time working with the startup came to an end. I decided to gamble: me: how would you like it if I joined your company? startup CEO: gently caress yeah let's talk! my company: ACTIVATE NO POACHING CONTRACT CLAUSE startup CEO: sorry man  on the plus side my company is basically begging me to stay and go into management. on the other hand I feel like I'm missing out. how pissed should I be, or is this a grass is greener thing?
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Feb 18, 2018 15:25
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eh, do you wanna go into management? if you were, would you get appropriate coaching and support from your directors, etc? trading off individual contributor vs management is a big move moving to management means moving to senior management when those guys move elsewhere, and lateral moves to other companies for management roles is also easier. on the other hand I’ve left two companies over lousy managers (though I’m hardly blameless) so, no pressure 
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Feb 18, 2018 17:20
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good points. my company had all managers go through coaching last year and I saw the impact it had on my manager (I went from looking for a new job because of him to sticking around). they basically said that coaching would be available in future years along with mentoring in the meantime. management vs contributor is something I'm working on, leaning towards management. just was thinking about how I would give it up to go with the other company but I should probably let that go as it does me no good to think about a job that doesn't exist.
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Feb 18, 2018 19:05
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the manager two levels from me is being poached by our parent company and i am sad he shielded us from so much bullshit i miss him already. you can tell he is a really good manager because the ceo of the parent company had a big fight with our management to get him by name.
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Feb 18, 2018 19:09
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non-competes should be illegal because gently caress someone owning your brain
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Feb 18, 2018 21:05
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Jimmy Carter posted:non-competes should be illegal because gently caress someone owning your brain They aren't illegal here in BC but from what I understand, they are about as enforceable as a contract written on poo poo stained toilet paper.
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Feb 18, 2018 21:14
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Jimmy Carter posted:non-competes should be illegal because gently caress someone owning your brain California is one such state.
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Feb 18, 2018 21:23
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if one company is a subsidiary of another, or effectively one the dynamics are rather different
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Feb 18, 2018 21:25
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Jimmy Carter posted:non-competes should be illegal because gently caress someone owning your brain agreed. even my manager admitted I probably could force the issue if I wanted (he's liberal but with a libertarian bent) but on the other hand the startup is still heavily dependent on my current company so instigating that kind of bad blood between them isn't good for either one.
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Feb 18, 2018 21:27
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Move to management, work there for several years gaining responsibility and trust, then gently caress them in the rear end by leaving at a critical time. If they ask why remind them of this episode.
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Feb 18, 2018 21:32
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i dont like startups and im not sure if thats me being immature and having no idea what it means to be an engineer, or if its me just not jiving with the work-50-hours-a-week-for-peanuts-and-no-stability culture
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Feb 18, 2018 21:37
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honestly the grand, grand majority of startups could go out of business overnight and the world wouldnt change a bit, which makes me wonder why the startups exist in the first place
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Feb 18, 2018 21:38
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Pollyanna posted:honestly the grand, grand majority of startups could go out of business overnight and the world wouldnt change a bit, which makes me wonder why the startups exist in the first place Low bond yields leading to pants-on-head retardedly large amounts of VC money getting sprayed around like piss at a Trump party? TLDR: 
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Feb 18, 2018 21:40
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it sucks cause you trip over startups here in the boston area but most of them arent very good opportunities prime way to get unemployment payouts tho by having shitloads of stuff to do each week so the unemployment people cant claim youre doing nothing and refuse to pay you
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Feb 18, 2018 21:46
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Pollyanna posted:honestly the grand, grand majority of startups could go out of business overnight and the world wouldnt change a bit, which makes me wonder why the startups exist in the first place Because occasionally one succeeds and produces more money than all of losses of the other unsuccessful ones combined.
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Feb 18, 2018 21:51
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qhat posted:Because occasionally one succeeds and produces more money than all of losses of the other unsuccessful ones combined. that money should go to the people and not some fat cat's swiss bank accounts
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Feb 18, 2018 21:53
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Peeny Cheez posted:That's the thing: you can put whatever you like in a contract, but if anything in it is contrary to the law or public policy, it is unenforceable. if you have to hire lawyers to fight it out, you have already lost the company is way more willing to pay for legal work than you are
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Feb 18, 2018 21:56
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Pollyanna posted:i dont like startups and im not sure if thats me being immature and having no idea what it means to be an engineer, or if its me just not jiving with the work-50-hours-a-week-for-peanuts-and-no-stability culture this was the other aspect. the startup may not be around in three to five years as it's still in the somewhat early stages (it has customers but it's burning money to expand). my current company will almost definitely be around for that long and more. considering I've always looked down on startups in the past it's strange how I approach this one. guess I feel a sense of responsibility towards them and really want to see them succeed after the work I put in. Pendragon fucked around with this message at 22:05 on Feb 18, 2018 |
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Feb 18, 2018 22:00
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if you like the idea of working 60+ hrs/wk to make somebody who is not you extremely rich then go for it!
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Feb 18, 2018 22:06
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I thought that was the american dream I'm so confused now
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Feb 18, 2018 22:12
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Sapozhnik posted:if you like the idea of working 60+ hrs/wk to make somebody who is not you extremely rich then go for it! the idea is that startups would pay you in equity/stocks so itll pay off once they make it big but 1. they dont make it big 2. they dont offer it anyway
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Feb 18, 2018 22:19
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Penisface posted:I am not really greedy in terms of money, but I do not want to do what probably amounts to charity work so that someone else gets rich, especially if this is in a startup-style environment where everyone needs to work towards eventual profitability. getting compensated fairly for your work is not greed.
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Feb 18, 2018 22:20
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heres my checklist for startups - what was your last series? (less than series c is a no-go) - do you offer equity? (if no then no, if yes then still probably no) - whats your work life balance like? (expectation of 50+ hour workweeks + getting snippy with you when you express your belief in a good work life balance -> no, btw ask me how i came to this conclusion) - whats your runway? (less than 18 months = dying) - can you prove to me that you will still be around in 3 years? (they all dont know if they will be around in one year so this question has no point)
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Feb 18, 2018 22:22
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someone should make startup bingo
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Feb 18, 2018 22:22
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Pollyanna posted:- whats your work life balance like? (expectation of 50+ hour workweeks + getting snippy with you when you express your belief in a good work life balance -> no, btw ask me how i came to this conclusion) ooh i love story time. tell us 
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Feb 18, 2018 22:26
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Pollyanna posted:the idea is that startups would pay you in equity/stocks so itll pay off once they make it big but 1. they dont make it big 2. they dont offer it anyway the math behind this almost never makes sense. you have to weigh the equity versus risk of failure. you also have to consider every dollar you’re passing up on from a stable job as an investment in the company.
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Feb 18, 2018 22:27
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My startup checklist: no
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Feb 18, 2018 22:28
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Shinku ABOOKEN posted:ooh i love story time. tell us recent interview had the people interviewing me telling me that everyone there "values hard work" and "we work hard play hard" and then got really cagey when i started asking about pto and work-life balance. the lady talked about the employees spending most of their day at the office as if it was one of the most amazing things shed seen. it was pretty weird and i didnt like where it was going there was also a particularly hilarious line "the work life balance is great and the company is very flexible, if i have to leave at five, i can come in at eight"
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Feb 18, 2018 22:38
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qhat posted:My startup checklist: no
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this might be a good moment to point out that pollyanna has very little industry experience and managed to derail both of the prior interviewing threads do not engage pollyanna
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Feb 18, 2018 22:38
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qhat posted:My startup checklist: no
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:this might be a good moment to point out that pollyanna has very little industry experience and managed to derail both of the prior interviewing threads too bad
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Feb 18, 2018 22:42
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:this might be a good moment to point out that pollyanna has very little industry experience and managed to derail both of the prior interviewing threads
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qhat posted:They aren't illegal here in BC but from what I understand, they are about as enforceable as a contract written on poo poo stained toilet paper. they're enforceable if they're laser-focused on only limiting things that could demonstrably harm the company. (none of them are this focused, of course)
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Feb 18, 2018 22:57
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Pendragon posted:I work for an ~50 employee company that's basically a leader in it's niche field. said company incubated a startup that had some cool tech. I worked with said startup for two years doing all kinds of nifty poo poo and loving it. if you asked them first it isnt poaching if the problem is a noncompete then lol get out of your lovely state and move to CA i am not a lawyer and this is not legal advice
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Progressive JPEG posted:if you asked them first it isnt poaching bad wording on my part then. basically it's a clause saying that the startup can't hire any of my company's employees.
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Feb 19, 2018 00:18
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Progressive JPEG posted:if you asked them first it isnt poaching o satan who ruleth over hell and all the souls of the damned therein, grant that i may never be forced by circumstances to move to california. hail. never mind the horrid sprawl and cost of living, i can think of one, maybe two people who i know personally that currently reside in california who i do not utterly, utterly loathe. including a few people who were more or less alright before they moved there. i swear the put something psychoactive in the water in that loving place.
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Feb 19, 2018 01:09
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there is no purpose in asking about work life balance in an interview because you will never get a straight answer and ultimately establishing the balance is your responsibility
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Feb 19, 2018 01:13
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Gazpacho posted:there is no purpose in asking about work life balance in an interview because you will never get a straight answer and ultimately establishing the balance is your responsibility if they won’t even lie and say “we have good work life balance” then that’s an alarm bell just like if you don’t have something ready about why you want to leave your employer
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Gazpacho posted:there is no purpose in asking about work life balance in an interview because you will never get a straight answer and ultimately establishing the balance is your responsibility i ask the balance question not because i cant handle it but because they cant i need to know ahead of time the expectations placed upon me and i need to know if those expectations include 50 hour work weeks
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