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 If he believes hard enough in his invisible Wyvern it keeps existing! Logic? Orks don't need it!  Eddy and Stephen from accounting. Don't mention the teeth, they're British. RBA-Wintrow fucked around with this message at 21:39 on Feb 18, 2018 |
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I wanted to play Cataph's Southern Realms to experience an empire-esque army in a radically different start. The stuff it offers is really cool. Unfortunately, using it requires Crysnos's unlocker to play, and Crysnos's unlocker subfragmenting every faction into a billion tiny factions and adding a bunch of active rogue armies adds like 50% to my turn times in ME which makes me not want to play. 
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Feb 18, 2018 22:06
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Nephthys posted:Hand of the Gods is (I think) the strongest missile ability in the game if it all hits and is pure fire damage. It was a very strong ability before but against Tomb Kings its ridiculously effective. TK's might need some way to deal with fire damage, it can screw them so hard. The ability itself is actually pretty tricky to use well in most cases, it just happens that all the TK's are weak against fire. On this note, any tips for making the most of Lizardmen? I’m in a Kroq-Gar ME campaign and currently using stacks that tend to have something like two Terradon Fireleechers, two Stegadons, two Revivification Crystals to support the hard as nails Saurus and Temple Guard frontline and then a couple Carnosaurs. Should I be making more of an effort to include Kroxigors or cavalry? Blessed Horned Ones look pretty good but for the most part Lizard cavalry didn’t stand out to me.
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Feb 18, 2018 22:40
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Ammanas posted:those screenshots are gorgeous. It's kind of a shame most of the games beauty is lost, zoomed out micromanaging battles that's what slow mo replays are for, the screenshot porn. 
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Feb 18, 2018 22:51
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Captain Oblivious posted:On this note, any tips for making the most of Lizardmen? I’m in a Kroq-Gar ME campaign and currently using stacks that tend to have something like two Terradon Fireleechers, two Stegadons, two Revivification Crystals to support the hard as nails Saurus and Temple Guard frontline and then a couple Carnosaurs. Should I be making more of an effort to include Kroxigors or cavalry? Blessed Horned Ones look pretty good but for the most part Lizard cavalry didn’t stand out to me. Kroxigors perform fantastic. I've been largely "meh" about lizardmen cavalry, but I'm also micro lazy.
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Feb 18, 2018 22:51
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any update on when the norsca update will come to ME?
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Feb 18, 2018 22:54
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Lizardmen cavalry is all about being an early alternative to Carnasaurs in dealing with large targets.
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Feb 18, 2018 23:09
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If you conquer enough gold mines and have a lord with the mark of the god of reduced upkeep you can get cold one and even horned one riders to cost less gold per turn than a saurus unit, so they make a cheap end game deathstack
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Feb 18, 2018 23:16
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Your lord, other heroes, minimum 15 lazer dinos.
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Feb 18, 2018 23:21
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kroxigors kinda suck but huge dinosaurs loving rock. My standard army Mazdamundi, a few temple guards, a couple of shielded regular saurus followed by fuckloads of fire bola terradons carnasaurs, solar engines and maybe even an ancient whatever the triceratops with the infantry ripping poison gattling gun is.
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Feb 18, 2018 23:23
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Kanos posted:I wanted to play Cataph's Southern Realms to experience an empire-esque army in a radically different start. The stuff it offers is really cool. Unfortunately, using it requires Crysnos's unlocker to play, and Crysnos's unlocker subfragmenting every faction into a billion tiny factions and adding a bunch of active rogue armies adds like 50% to my turn times in ME which makes me not want to play. Yeeeepp, its quite annoying. But don't worry, he intends to add MORE FACTIONS.
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Feb 18, 2018 23:34
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Genjor, are you still planning on doing a beastmen mod? I've been holding off on playing them but I'm really getting a hankering for some minotaur bowling...
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Feb 18, 2018 23:37
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Gejnor posted:Yeeeepp, its quite annoying. ahhhh such immersions
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Feb 18, 2018 23:46
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I sort of have one already, but its a personal mod. Its nothing too crazy: I made the technologies you unlock with money do more, they will offer more research speed bonus (+50% instead of +20%), give some upkeep reduction (-5% per tech so a total of -25% if you research them all) and also give some growth (+2 per skill, a total of +10 in the end) I fixed the tech that gives replenishment to work at all times, just like WoC Malagor gets some buffs, a melee tree and his unique skills do more things like give winds of magic reductions to some of his spells, gives him armour aaand more winds reserves. The upkeep building gives a bit more reduction in both ranks (-30/60% upkeep), i wanted to make Beastmen able to go the WoC route of nearly self-sufficent hordes if they put in the effort for it basically. Oh and Harpies benefit from the skill that boosts your wardogs/giants/monstrous infantry as well. Its a rather small mod and ive not published it, if you want i can put up the packfile here for people to try out.
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Feb 19, 2018 00:00
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I like kroxigors a lot they do their job well and look awesome doing it
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Feb 19, 2018 00:43
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Senor Dog posted:I like kroxigors a lot they do their job well and look awesome doing it what job is that though? I can never find a way to fold them into my lizardman army that wouldn't be better served by more lasers.
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Feb 19, 2018 00:46
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Gejnor posted:Yeeeepp, its quite annoying. It's super annoying because he's the only real faction unlocker game in town. I don't begrudge people wanting to play with the stuff the unlocker+ adds, I just don't want any of that poo poo but if I want any faction unlocks I'm required to put up with it.
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Feb 19, 2018 00:51
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I really wanna like the tomb kings but the skeletons make skaven look compotent by comparison and you don't even get cannons to go with your cannon fodder like skavens do.
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Feb 19, 2018 00:54
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You get giant egyptian robots, catapults that shoot magical skulls that scream at people, and the ark of the covenant instead.
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Feb 19, 2018 00:56
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Gejnor posted:I sort of have one already, but its a personal mod. Sure, I'd love to play with it. Mostly I'd like the replenishment fixes because otherwise there's so much downtime between ME turns and not doing much while you wait for your dudes to slowly heal back up. The other changes sound fun, and I'll probably also use a mod that gives Khazrak vanguard like the old LL mod used to.
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Feb 19, 2018 00:57
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Kanos posted:You get giant egyptian robots, catapults that shoot magical skulls that scream at people, and the ark of the covenant instead. I did like the ark of the covenant but the problem is I've never been able to get into the swing of things with them without my entire and only army getting loving dunked by the dwarves or empire because skeletons suck so loving bad. What do you do to make TK fun I guess, Like the aha moment for my skaven was 'Always have a servitor army of skavenslaves accompany every army' whats the trick to TKs
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Feb 19, 2018 01:00
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Tomb Guard are decent units. Chariots when you get the hang of them can and have enough in an army can shatter enemy lines. Ushabti are just a blender for infantry and GB Ushabit wreck large units. To top it all off, the top tier constructs are complete monsters.
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Feb 19, 2018 01:03
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Hunt11 posted:Tomb Guard are decent units. Chariots when you get the hang of them can and have enough in an army can shatter enemy lines. Ushabti are just a blender for infantry and GB Ushabit wreck large units. To top it all off, the top tier constructs are complete monsters. eech, not a cavalry fan. Too much micro with the added FUN of them randomly forgetting orders and charging into a forest to get banged in the bushes by a pack of generic rear end in a top hat spearmen.
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Feb 19, 2018 01:07
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Motherfucker posted:kroxigors kinda suck but huge dinosaurs loving rock. I mostly remember people saying at launch that Ancient Stegadons were outperformed by the regular non-Feral Stegadons. Is that not still true? Did they get buffed?
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Feb 19, 2018 01:09
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TKs are about big cats, big dogs, big bugs, and big dudes shooting lasers out of their eyes. 
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Feb 19, 2018 01:09
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drgnvale posted:Sure, I'd love to play with it. Mostly I'd like the replenishment fixes because otherwise there's so much downtime between ME turns and not doing much while you wait for your dudes to slowly heal back up. The other changes sound fun, and I'll probably also use a mod that gives Khazrak vanguard like the old LL mod used to. Alrite heres a link for the packfile: https://www.dropbox.com/s/bck6g7n8cr8aagq/gejnor_beastmen.pack?dl=0 Just put that sucker in the data folder of your Warhams 2 install and enable it in the modmanager and you're good to go!
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Feb 19, 2018 01:11
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Gejnor posted:I sort of have one already, but its a personal mod. I've always found the problem to be not enough horde growth to get the units that are fun which is why I would love for them to work like black arks where you only need to unlock the first building with population. But I don't like beastmen enough to go figure out how to mod that and if I even could.
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Feb 19, 2018 01:12
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Motherfucker posted:I did like the ark of the covenant but the problem is I've never been able to get into the swing of things with them without my entire and only army getting loving dunked by the dwarves or empire because skeletons suck so loving bad. tbh you might just suck at Tomb Kings, their early game battles can literally be won by lord + monster standing and fighting whole stacks even if every single skellington die
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Feb 19, 2018 01:14
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Motherfucker posted:eech, not a cavalry fan. Too much micro with the added FUN of them randomly forgetting orders and charging into a forest to get banged in the bushes by a pack of generic rear end in a top hat spearmen. You probably will never like TK then because early/mid game TK is all about getting hundreds upon hundreds upon hundreds of kills with just a couple chariots and a big rear end cat. Your chaff skeleton literally just exist to tarpit poo poo long enough for it to be obliterated by arrows, chariots, and <whatever big monster you started with>
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Feb 19, 2018 01:15
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Captain Oblivious posted:You probably will never like TK then because early/mid game TK is all about getting hundreds upon hundreds upon hundreds of kills with just a couple chariots and a big rear end cat. if you're playing settra. other TK leaders don't need chariots at all.
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Feb 19, 2018 01:17
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Captain Oblivious posted:I mostly remember people saying at launch that Ancient Stegadons were outperformed by the regular non-Feral Stegadons. Is that not still true? Did they get buffed? Ancient stegadons are anti-infantry powerhouses that shoot and fight at the same time for a negligible downturn in melee damage. 'outperformed' depends on context but its favorite place to be is ripping up soldiers by the score. Plus even from the overhead view every time it fires it WILL leave multiple troops dead as all loving getout in a big arc. Its more deadly than a flamethrower. Against a chaff heavy army it will always rek, fighting someone with big monsters like that one weirdo dark elf who fields a loving million hydras you're better off with more solar engines. Its the MIDDLE stegadon with the big crossbow I have trouble finding a place for since solar engines blast big boys harder than them and ancient stegs obviously do better with troops. Edgar Allen Ho posted:tbh you might just suck at Tomb Kings, their early game battles can literally be won by lord + monster standing and fighting whole stacks even if every single skellington die This is a distinct possibility. I prefer skaven or lizards.
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Feb 19, 2018 01:21
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Gejnor posted:Alrite heres a link for the packfile: https://www.dropbox.com/s/bck6g7n8cr8aagq/gejnor_beastmen.pack?dl=0 Thanks! Do you know of any dependencies you might have? With just that packfile selected, the game hangs at the loading screen. I'd also happily take hints/pointers to troubleshooting guides since it's about time I figure out how modding for TW works. drgnvale fucked around with this message at 01:35 on Feb 19, 2018 |
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Feb 19, 2018 01:21
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Motherfucker posted:I did like the ark of the covenant but the problem is I've never been able to get into the swing of things with them without my entire and only army getting loving dunked by the dwarves or empire because skeletons suck so loving bad. TK are the most hammer and anvil army in the entire game. Your skeletons will never, ever accomplish anything besides holding the enemy in place; the hammer needs to come from somewhere else. In the early game, your best option for this are chariots. The chariot building is tier 1, cheap as dirt, and gives reasonable unit cap for them. TK Chariots are more than good enough to run over opposing tier 1 infantry and mow down enemy missile troops, and their tissue paper durability doesn't matter much because you don't need to care if you lose them as long as they get damage done; they're free and one turn recruit so you can be recklessly suicidal with them. Skeleton Archers also punch very hard for how many of them you can get per building and including several units of them is a great way to deal with lightly armored enemy infantry and cav. In addition, each TK lord comes with some bonus units that you can crutch on hard to make your early expansion easier. Settra's Warsphinx is the strongest and can almost singlehandedly solo the savage orcs you start at war with. Khatep's Hierotitan is unbeatable if you bring some chariots to mow down darkshards. Arkhan's Tomb Scorpion isn't as deadly as the Warsphinx or the Hierotitan, but is hugely disruptive and can shut down significant sections of an enemy army on its own. Khalida's stalkers and necropolis knights are the weakest of the starting units, but Khalida adds huge power to her archers to compensate as well as easily being the strongest TK combat lord(until Settra gets his kitty/chariot and Arkhan gets his chariot). As the game progresses, your primary goal should always be expanding your army cap and unlocking hero slots. Since everything the TK produce is completely free, additional stacks are powerful and you can ram your hero cap at all times for no penalty. Stat boosts on units are nice and the heralds are good retinue units, but they're seriously unimportant compared to making GBS threads out another free stack. Even if your unit caps for non-poo poo units are all full, a second stack can still be crammed full of free skeletons to assist a real army. As far as building strategies go, you're going to want to prioritize making GBS threads out as many Ushabti buildings as possible. Ushabti unlock at tier 3, meaning they come substantially earlier than the other constructs and most importantly this means you can build Ushabti buildings in minor settlements, allowing you to get a really beefy number of them. This is good because Ushabti are your most useful and reliable construct. A front line of skeleton chaff backed by Ushabti will win duels with basically any infantry there is. It's also important to internalize that it doesn't matter if every single loving skeleton in your army gets annihilated as long as you win and don't lose your lord/heroes, since it's all free. poo poo, it doesn't even matter if you lose more elite units as long as you have the infrastructure in place to recruit new ones. Kanos fucked around with this message at 01:25 on Feb 19, 2018 |
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Feb 19, 2018 01:22
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Kanos posted:TK are the most hammer and anvil army in the entire game. Your skeletons will never, ever accomplish anything besides holding the enemy in place; the hammer needs to come from somewhere else. This is some good poo poo. I dunno why it never occurred to me that no upkeep means no reason to be conservative with the size of my army.
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Feb 19, 2018 01:37
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Motherfucker posted:This is some good poo poo. I dunno why it never occurred to me that no upkeep means no reason to be conservative with the size of my army. The faction's mechanics require approaching the game in a different way than every other faction, so it takes some adjustment to play them. Another big tip with TKs is to remember that you can utilize global recruitment at the same time you're using local recruitment, and since the faction has no gold costs for units you don't pay the normal doubled recruit costs for using global recruitment. This lets you fill new armies substantially faster as well as replenish armies that have lost tons of chaff much faster.
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Feb 19, 2018 01:59
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Motherfucker posted:This is some good poo poo. I dunno why it never occurred to me that no upkeep means no reason to be conservative with the size of my army. It is weird to get your head around coming from "regular" total war factions tbh. I did 3 or 4 false starts before I realized that there is literally no downside to fielding as many 20 stacks as you can even if they are all godawful skeletons.
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Feb 19, 2018 02:11
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To put it in perspective, clan rats will probably win against TK skeletons. ... Eventually.
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Feb 19, 2018 02:48
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Kanos posted:The faction's mechanics require approaching the game in a different way than every other faction, so it takes some adjustment to play them Imo the biggest difference between TKs and everyone else is that the former are a monster mash with the bare minimum of infantry support while every other WH2 faction (and some of the WH1) are capable of fielding their T1s into the endgame. Like I'm absolutely certain I could run a win as high/dark elves using only spearmanii and archers on anything but legendary but TKs? gently caress that. Kanos posted:Another big tip with TKs is to remember that you can utilize global recruitment at the same time you're using local recruitment, and since the faction has no gold costs for units you don't pay the normal doubled recruit costs for using global recruitment. This lets you fill new armies substantially faster as well as replenish armies that have lost tons of chaff much faster. Acute Grill fucked around with this message at 02:57 on Feb 19, 2018 |
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Feb 19, 2018 02:48
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Motherfucker posted:I dunno why it never occurred to me that no upkeep means no reason to be conservative with the size of my army. You didn't figure out that free troops means you should build a lot of them? 
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Acute Grill posted:Global recruitment is the secret TK weapon. It increases their recruitment capacity by about 50% given how good you are at algebra or how much you want to do it. I remember filling pretty solid 20 stack monster mashes in 3 turns by the endgame. On top of that, the rule about enough recruitment buildings reducing global recruit time still applies, so eventually you’ll get 1 turn global recruit on most things (especially with the 1-turn discount from Awaken the Heralds). This happens particularly quickly with the basic skeleton chaff because their recruitment building is the settlement.
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