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100 degrees Calcium posted:Maybe I should be. I'm just doing a walkthrough to gun through this thing because I don't really have any instincts for VNs. I'm really interested in the stories and most of the characters. I'm aggravated by protracted meal scenes that just showcase how zany Taiga is. But then, I get that's the cost of participating in a contemplative anime story. But, you have to collect all the death stickers!
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Endorph posted:generalizations about anime are bad, imo, and while fate is overlong the homelife stuff would be the last thing id cut. I will generalize anime just as much as I generalize YA fiction and Hollywood movies, thank you very much.
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# ? Feb 21, 2018 19:22 |
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MonsieurChoc posted:But, you have to collect all the death stickers! I'm confused. Am I really missing out here?
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# ? Feb 21, 2018 19:48 |
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100 degrees Calcium posted:I'm confused. Am I really missing out here? The taiga dojos are funny surreal gags and offer a few insights into the writing process and theres a decent epilogue unlocked by getting them all. The epilogue offers no plot info whatsoever and is just an emotional and thematic denouement. It isnt mandatory but you should be aware that this stuff exists.
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# ? Feb 21, 2018 19:51 |
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Terrible Opinions posted:I will generalize anime just as much as I generalize YA fiction and Hollywood movies, thank you very much. Terrible Opinions posted:Also the Twilight imprinting stuff isn't any worse than the weird pedo stuff in Prisma Illya. *nods thoughtfully*
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# ? Feb 21, 2018 19:56 |
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Twilight is just okay and Tsukihime is enjoyable if hosed up (and enjoyable because of that even).
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# ? Feb 21, 2018 20:20 |
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Aurora posted:*nods thoughtfully* tbf that's not really a generalization so much as an easily made observation Blockhouse fucked around with this message at 20:31 on Feb 21, 2018 |
# ? Feb 21, 2018 20:28 |
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The everyday scenes are what hold Fate Stay night together https://youtu.be/NVXDiWt2Snk
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# ? Feb 21, 2018 20:42 |
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Endorph posted:The taiga dojos are funny surreal gags and offer a few insights into the writing process and theres a decent epilogue unlocked by getting them all. The epilogue offers no plot info whatsoever and is just an emotional and thematic denouement. It isnt mandatory but you should be aware that this stuff exists. That is good to know! Since I'm already a route-and-a-half deep, I think I'll have to cut my losses and just look that stuff up later. When I get to Hollow Ataraxia, I'm gonna try to ascertain more of this stuff beforehand. I'd even like to play without a walkthrough for a change. Rodyle posted:The everyday scenes are what hold Fate Stay night together God, the music in this game really gets to me. The more I think about it, I was probably hasty to condemn the everyday scenes. I'm hooked on the more dramatic elements of the story, but I guess taking out the quieter "mundane" parts would be like taking out the Ten Forward scenes in Star Trek: The Next Generation. They seem to tell us a lot about where the characters are at and how they relate to each other. 100 degrees Calcium fucked around with this message at 20:47 on Feb 21, 2018 |
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Oh for that matter, I guess this is a good time for me to ask. Is the UBW GoodEnd worth pursuing?
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# ? Feb 21, 2018 21:03 |
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I don't like it as much as the UBW True End but it's fine. I wouldn't skip it if only because it's trivial going back through it again to see other endings thanks to the "skip already read text" feature and a flowchart. Heaven's Feel is where people are much more divided tbh but again, I wouldn't skip any of the endings there either.
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# ? Feb 21, 2018 21:07 |
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Right on. I'm finally realizing that this is a game better enjoyed by taking in all the various scenes and trying to exclude some is pretty pointless. Thank God for the skip-already-read-text feature.
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# ? Feb 21, 2018 21:14 |
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the good end is superior to the true end.
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# ? Feb 21, 2018 21:28 |
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why would anyone prefer heaven's feel normal end
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100 degrees Calcium posted:Right on. I'm finally realizing that this is a game better enjoyed by taking in all the various scenes and trying to exclude some is pretty pointless. Thank God for the skip-already-read-text feature. On a related matter: I would suggest going for the Heaven's Feel Normal End first once you get to that route.
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# ? Feb 21, 2018 21:38 |
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100 degrees Calcium posted:God, the music in this game really gets to me. The soundtrack is amazing and is what makes the fight scenes feel so intense (I feel). And while the anime adaptations and spin-offs all got pretty great soundtracks themselves, there's something about the original that stays.
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# ? Feb 21, 2018 21:38 |
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do NOT do the heavens feel normal end
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# ? Feb 22, 2018 00:08 |
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Aurora posted:why would anyone prefer heaven's feel normal end The standing figure is no different from a machine. It's programmed to swing the sword, but it's a corpse with no desire to move. But even without human intelligence... There are machines that weave many dreams in this world. It is beautifully tragic. It's spring.
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# ? Feb 22, 2018 00:14 |
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the true end is better
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100 degrees Calcium posted:I'm confused. Am I really missing out here? You aren't really missing anything if you dont get all the Dojo's, but I'd say its definately worth your time to see some of them. The Dojo scenes are generally good and usually have some message about the themes of the route, and some of the deaths are funny and can lend insight into the characters and the differences that make up the successful route.
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# ? Feb 22, 2018 00:42 |
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GodFish posted:You aren't really missing anything if you dont get all the Dojo's, but I'd say its definately worth your time to see some of them. The Dojo scenes are generally good and usually have some message about the themes of the route, and some of the deaths are funny and can lend insight into the characters and the differences that make up the successful route. Technically, you are missing a small bonus scene if you don't get all of them. But really, with fastread and skip scene you can plow through and get them all in one evening after you are done reading the main story. It's not a huge time investment. Terrible Opinions posted:Fate like most anime could benefit from an editor wielding a pair of hedge clippers and zero sense of mercy. please see the studio deen version of UBW for how good of an idea this is. DamnGlitch fucked around with this message at 01:37 on Feb 22, 2018 |
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the problem with deen ubw isnt that it cuts scenes and subplots entirely, because it doesn't do that. it not doing that is the problem: it tries to cram in every scene and subplot when it just doesnt have the screentime to do that. if i was writing a single movie adaptation of unlimited blade works and i could change anything, kojiro and medea wouldn't exist, neither would kotomine and taiga, shinji and issei would be combined into one character, the 'archer joining medea' subplot would be him joining ilya instead, and that'd just be the start. That'd be going at it with a hatchet. and maybe that would or wouldn't work out, but it'd at least be an actual decision made in adaptation, which is the biggest issue with pretty much every fate adaptation. They're just afraid to change things. That's why Fate/Extra seems like it's going to be the best Fate anime.
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# ? Feb 22, 2018 01:55 |
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I haven't actually watched UBW movie, but it was the first thing that came to mind. I've said it previously but I don't think there is a way to win, really. I'm happy with how UFOTable has been handling it. UBW is not my favorite thing in the world but it's about as good as I can hope for from an adaptation. It sounds like what you are talking about is more like a reimagining, or interpretation. At a certain point the question comes up "if you aren't gonna do the original story justice why not just write a whole new story?"
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# ? Feb 22, 2018 02:00 |
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because i think there's value in reinterpreting art for a different medium. something's core appeal can still be expressed even if you do it in a very different way, and the choices you make in how to express that appeal are in themselves meaningful art. naoki urasawa's Pluto is technically a retelling of an Astro Boy arc, and Pluto's one of the best manga ever written. I think it does the story more justice to change it heavily than it does to just make a mildly different repeat of it. And it's kind of funny to say 'it's pointless to reinterpret and retell fiction' while discussing Fate/Stay Night.
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# ? Feb 22, 2018 02:12 |
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Endorph posted:That'd be going at it with a hatchet. and maybe that would or wouldn't work out, but it'd at least be an actual decision made in adaptation, which is the biggest issue with pretty much every fate adaptation. They're just afraid to change things. That's why Fate/Extra seems like it's going to be the best Fate anime. Hey, presage flower was great; I don't know if they'll manage to keep it up, but that was the good poo poo. Agreed on Last Encore, though. It fondly reminds me of Melody of Oblivion, blended with Monogatari, and Fate just liberally sprinkled on for flavor.
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# ? Feb 22, 2018 02:16 |
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Pretty much what Endorph said. It's telling that Last Encore is the first fate anime adaptation Nasus been the primary screenwriter for, I think, in that he understands the difference in writing for different forms of media.
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# ? Feb 22, 2018 02:21 |
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Nasu is the modern David Foster Wallace
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# ? Feb 22, 2018 02:27 |
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yeah, reinterpreting worlds while maintaining a set of core values is pretty much the continued fateverse in a nutshell, so endorph's got a an interesting point with the movie there. like, the story of prillya is just tackling themes presented in f/sn, using a changed setting wherein by facing her other selves in Miyu and Kuro and saving them, she does what Shirou didn't.
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# ? Feb 22, 2018 02:30 |
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Endorph posted:And it's kind of funny to say 'it's pointless to reinterpret and retell fiction' while discussing Fate/Stay Night. I would never say that. I do think it's a valuable question though. Especially for adaptations, is the goal "remaining true to and conveying the same experience as the original" or "reinterpreting the work for some purpose (be it to match the contours of a different media, or examine some other aspect of the work, or what have you" or "attracting new fans" or "pleasing existing fans" etc.
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# ? Feb 22, 2018 02:34 |
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anyways, this is why shaft is the best studio. "hey nasu, wanna write an anime? just go nuts lol, we'll take whatever you give us"
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DamnGlitch posted:I haven't actually watched UBW movie, but it was the first thing that came to mind.
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# ? Feb 22, 2018 03:09 |
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I decided to check out a Bad End and the Taiga Dojo to go with it. I love Taiga now.
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# ? Feb 22, 2018 06:05 |
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As you should
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Conspiratiorist posted:Hey, presage flower was great; I don't know if they'll manage to keep it up, but that was the good poo poo. Hey, someone else who remembers and likes Melody of Oblivion!
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100 degrees Calcium posted:I decided to check out a Bad End and the Taiga Dojo to go with it. I love Taiga now. all is well again.
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taser rates posted:Pretty much what Endorph said. It's telling that Last Encore is the first fate anime adaptation Nasus been the primary screenwriter for, I think, in that he understands the difference in writing for different forms of media. But LE is deliberately not an adaptation of Extra. It's an entirely new story set somewhere in that subfranchise. It's not comparable.
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# ? Feb 22, 2018 12:26 |
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DamnGlitch posted:I would never say that. I do think it's a valuable question though. Especially for adaptations, is the goal "remaining true to and conveying the same experience as the original" or "reinterpreting the work for some purpose (be it to match the contours of a different media, or examine some other aspect of the work, or what have you" or "attracting new fans" or "pleasing existing fans" etc. I think an adaptation can do all of these things, is my point.
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Kyte posted:But LE is deliberately not an adaptation of Extra. It's an entirely new story set somewhere in that subfranchise. It's not comparable. I'm aware that it diverges significantly, but I would say it's still comparable because he could have tried to make it a closer adaptation of the Extra story and that was the impression that a lot of people had going into it, but he pretty specifically chose not to which is what makes it relevant to the discussion around every other Fate anime adaptation adhering more closely to source.
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See? The Tsukihime anime guys had the right idea.
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