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Negotiated my new Big Company job up 10k base with only my current job as leverage. Total comp increase of about 43% discounting my current private stock options.
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Mr. Crow posted:Thoughts on places with unlimited vacation? I'm aware of the risk and culture that can lead to people taking hardly any, looking for first hand experience (either way)? I've worked at 2 <50 people companies with unlimited vacation and it was great. I now work at a ~500 person company with unlimited vacation and it is also great. It's really trendy edgelord to pretend unlimited vacation is a bad sign. Yes, there is the (innate, everywhere  ) pressure to not go on vacation. Also, everyone goes on totally normal amounts of vacation anyway, you just don't have to sweat counting days and hours.
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Feb 16, 2018 04:43
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I have difficulty trusting the idea of unlimited PTO. Minimum PTO is more clear in its intent, and is effectively the same thing.
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Pollyanna posted:I have difficulty trusting the idea of unlimited PTO. Minimum PTO is more clear in its intent, and is effectively the same thing. As I said in the other thread. Don’t trust anything that requires someone’s approval. You could have fixed amount of PTO and manager can always say, “That’s the week before a sprint ends we can’t spare you then!”
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Feb 16, 2018 05:07
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Feb 16, 2018 05:41
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Mao Zedong Thot posted:I've worked at 2 <50 people companies with unlimited vacation and it was great. I now work at a ~500 person company with unlimited vacation and it is also great. It's really trendy edgelord to pretend unlimited vacation is a bad sign. Yes, there is the (innate, everywhere Real PTO gets you the balance paid out when you quit.
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Mao Zedong Thot posted:I've worked at 2 <50 people companies with unlimited vacation and it was great. I now work at a ~500 person company with unlimited vacation and it is also great. It's really trendy edgelord to pretend unlimited vacation is a bad sign. Yes, there is the (innate, everywhere Much like the open office chat, it's completely possible to have unlimited vacation and things work great or a traditional PTO pool and things are awful. Unlimited leave is same-or-worse than what you'd get with traditional PTO, all other things being equal. But typically all other things aren't equal and those matter more. The pitch with unlimited vacation is "it's unlimited! maybe you'll take a lot!!" But this is obviously a scam because under traditional PTO there's nothing stopping your boss from saying "hey feel free to take an extra week off". Like, they're not somehow forced to not pay you when you don't show up. I worked as a place that gave 3 weeks of on-the-books vacation and everyone took another 3 weeks off the books. Every place I've been with unlimited PTO has been totally fine and my bosses have all be great at making sure that everyone takes sane leave and stays happy and healthy. The kind of boss who would abuse an unlimited PTO system would also be a terrible boss under traditional PTO. It is nice to get a couple bucks when you quit, and unlimited PTO robs you of that. That's my main objection -- it fucks me out of like $500, and stealing petty amounts from me is more offensive than massive amounts.
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Mr. Crow posted:Thoughts on places with unlimited vacation? I'm aware of the risk and culture that can lead to people taking hardly any, looking for first hand experience (either way)? Unlimited is 0 days plus shame.
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Feb 16, 2018 06:25
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Unlimited is "I have an excuse to fire you if I don't like how much you took".
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Pollyanna posted:Unlimited is "I have an excuse to fire you if I don't like how much you took". This is no different than not unlimited.
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Feb 16, 2018 07:02
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I've had jobs with unlimited; they were fine, and better than when I had ~13 days a year. I now have a job with 25 days, and I prefer that to the jobs with unlimited
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I've had both and liked aspects of both. It's nice to have company-backed vacation time that pays out at the end, but I ended up banking most of it and not using a ton because there was that balance of use vs payout. On the other hand, I have unlimited now and a manager that doesn't care when I take it so I've definitely taken more in the past 2 years than I did at previous job. The sad thing is no payout but oh well, it's not cash that has to keep on the books so in a good company that value is passed on in the form of a better conference, IT, and training budgets.
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Feb 16, 2018 11:39
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leper khan posted:This is no different than not unlimited. Lemme re-work that post - I find it hard to trust unlimited because it seems easy to abuse. That’s it.
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Mniot posted:
Yeah, this. The PTO policy doesn't really matter much poo poo jobs will be poo poo jobs regardless of other factors, and good jobs will be good.
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Feb 16, 2018 15:27
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Pollyanna posted:Unlimited is "I have an excuse to fire you if I don't like how much you took". Hi welcome to working for a living
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Feb 16, 2018 15:28
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Mao Zedong Thot posted:Hi welcome to working for a living True...
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Feb 16, 2018 15:32
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I really love dealing with figuring out race conditions. Maybe I'm a masochist but how do I do more of this? Nothing gets me more hot. I did the same at my last job, which was my second job. 2/3 ain't bad! My next goal is group sex with coworkers, maybe even be able to say "yeah I slept with that team" instead of that person when my friends ask about my work degeneracy. return0 posted:I ask because the bigger the company, the more interesting an event this is. 250 or so. Different offices, though.
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apseudonym posted:Real PTO gets you the balance paid out when you quit. This is not the case in every jurisdiction in the US
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Feb 16, 2018 19:38
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Good Will Hrunting posted:I did the same at my last job, which was my second job. 2/3 ain't bad! My next goal is group sex with coworkers, maybe even be able to say "yeah I slept with that team" instead of that person when my friends ask about my work degeneracy. somebody's gunning to get renamed "bad will horndog"
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Feb 16, 2018 19:50
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I should register firedforfucc.com
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Feb 16, 2018 19:53
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Cool, I won't worry about it, and the guy told me what their policy was before switching to unlimited so (assuming I accept the job), I'd at a minimum make sure I get myself that a year.
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Current company pushed their counter offer very hard because they’ve lost a lot of senior people lately, but I held strong on refusing. CTO telling me to defer my big co offer, take the counter, and he would refer me to all of the other mid sized tech CTOs he knows in the city.
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Feb 17, 2018 01:03
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I’m at a company with unlimited PTO. I was very skeptical, but it’s fine.
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Feb 17, 2018 03:40
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brainwrinkle posted:Current company pushed their counter offer very hard because they’ve lost a lot of senior people lately, but I held strong on refusing. CTO telling me to defer my big co offer, take the counter, and he would refer me to all of the other mid sized tech CTOs he knows in the city. But would he, really?
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brainwrinkle posted:Current company pushed their counter offer very hard because they’ve lost a lot of senior people lately, but I held strong on refusing. CTO telling me to defer my big co offer, take the counter, and he would refer me to all of the other mid sized tech CTOs he knows in the city. I'll gladly give you unspecified favors six months from now in exchange for you sacrificing your future for me today.
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This is more of a venting than anything, at my current job I've got the two ends of the carreer spectrum: A young kid who's annoying in his excitement, he talks down languages he doesn't use in terms that are related to implementation instead of characteristics and way too enthusiastic; and then you got a fourty something guy who seems stuck, and that one scares me the most. I'm not even sure how he got the job or what's he been doing in the past decade, I already feel out of touch and I keep up to date with modern developments, but this guy seems to have popped out of circa early 00s web development and never kept up. I can't fault someone too much for not knowing stuff, but drat man, what you been doing? Honest Thief fucked around with this message at 14:10 on Feb 17, 2018 |
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Yeah the counteroffer struck me as desperate. The counter is “better” at their theoretical valuation and exit sometime in the future (a few years maybe?) with a lower cash component but more stock after I hit my 2 year refresh in a month. The opportunity cost is more years at the company I’m bored at and not having Notable Big Company on my resume. Plus vastly increased risk from private stock. It’s hard to imagine a scenario where I seriously regret leaving. Even if the company has an incredible exit, I have an okay amount of stock. Staying longer means more ownership of tech debt riddled infrastructure. It’s mostly difficult emotionally because I like my team and coworkers. The CTO is also drat good at sales tactics. E: my more senior friends that have all left recently had been systematically undervalued by the previous leadership too. I didn’t predict a rosy future career there. brainwrinkle fucked around with this message at 21:36 on Feb 17, 2018 |
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Feb 17, 2018 21:17
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Mao Zedong Thot posted:Hi welcome to working for a living ...in America 
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I got promoted to a Senior Consultant! ...only to find out that promotions here don't typically come with a pay raise, and I will have to request that in a process that is not as well advertised as the promotion request process in November. At least I will have some justification for asking for more cash at tomorrow's interviews.
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BurntCornMuffin posted:I got promoted to a Senior Consultant! Congratulations on your promotion to Senior Consultant at a different employer.
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fantastic in plastic posted:Congratulations on your promotion to Senior Consultant at a different employer. Seriously search for a new job immediately and tell your current employer to gently caress off.
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geeves posted:Seriously search for a new job immediately and tell your current employer to gently caress off. The difficulty they've had with a polite "Hey guys, no rush, but I'd really like to have a client that's not a 50+ mile commute" was already incentive enough that I'm well underway with that process. It's especially frustrating because I asked this of a global company whose literal headquarters is in my city. Related note: I'm having my first experience with take home assignment interviews. I've decided I'm a big fan of this format.
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I guess they give that title to anyone they can remotely justify so they can bill you out for more. Working at their HQ means they can't bill you out at all, right? Congrats on being a cost/revenue line item.
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I got rejected from one of the Big Five about a year and a half ago and one of their recruiters has just come back at me to see if I'm interested in re-applying. I really love my current job, but I'd still kind of like to go through the process for the practice, and to see if I can hack it this time, and maybe even see what they think I'm worth. (Not as something I'd use to force a counter-offer from my current employer, but just to give myself some perspective.) Assuming I can hide this from my current job (which I'm not too worried about), are there pitfalls I'm not seeing? And what's the safest story to spin?
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Feb 22, 2018 00:48
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I’ve heard that Google at least has a three strikes policy where they stop considering you after three failures in their process. Definitely take it seriously and be willing to entertain an offer if you get it.
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brainwrinkle posted:I’ve heard that Google at least has a three strikes policy where they stop considering you after three failures in their process. Definitely take it seriously and be willing to entertain an offer if you get it. Nope, no policy like that AFAIK, just a delay between follow up applications if you get rejected.
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brainwrinkle posted:I’ve heard that Google at least has a three strikes policy where they stop considering you after three failures in their process. Definitely take it seriously and be willing to entertain an offer if you get it. I failed Google's process three times and I work for them now, so no, not a thing. Like any admissions process, theirs is pretty noisy, so you'd have to do something really egregiously bad to get blacklisted. Otherwise they'll happily chalk it up to you having a bad day / the particular interviewers you got not doing a good job / other random chance, and give you another shot.
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This Quora question has a couple people who used to work for Google mentioning the three strikes policy, so it looks like it used to be a thing.
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raminasi posted:And what's the safest story to spin? "I really love my current job. But you guys are a big deal, so when your recruiter contacted me said I was open to making a change."
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ultrafilter posted:This Quora question has a couple people who used to work for Google mentioning the three strikes policy, so it looks like it used to be a thing. The answers are a bit confusing. I'd head that Google was trying/has implemented a policy of not bringing candidates back multiple time for the current interview. Like, "you did pretty well with the technical interview today, but not quite good enough to hire. How about you come back again next week and try again?" The idea being that if you just interviewed someone and aren't positive that you do want to hire them, you should just say "no". That's totally different than "you interviewed with us last year, three years before that, and five years before that, so now we will never interview you again." IME, Google is not interested in interviewing you twice in a 6 month period, but would very much like to interview you once a year for eternity.
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