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"hey, we're going to do some promo photoshoots for the show, that okay with you?" "sure, what's the costume, my leather jacket?" "well...."
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double nine posted:"hey, we're going to do some promo photoshoots for the show, that okay with you?" Just some standard-issue future cop uniform. You would think all races would be gone but maybe they are genetically created for fashion.
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Feb 24, 2018 19:41
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double nine posted:"hey, we're going to do some promo photoshoots for the show, that okay with you?" Haha, what? I thought that was like personal headshots (demonstrating range) or promo shots from something else. Not that Netflix and the Altered Carbon producers aren't playing up the sex appeal. I saw a post they did on Facebook going over the "Cyber Hunks" of Altered Carbon.
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Feb 24, 2018 20:32
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Open Source Idiom posted:Honestly, my biggest problem with the show was set design. Well, the worse income inequality gets, the better compensated the agents of state violence become. In the books, though, the sweet digs were a boat that Ryker acquired through crooked means.
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Feb 24, 2018 20:44
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Young Freud posted:Haha, what? It’s cyberpunk/outrun Orange is the new black (Pink and Cyan are the new Red and Blue?)
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Feb 24, 2018 20:47
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Every scene with Quell makes me want to stop watching.
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Feb 24, 2018 23:46
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Re: why Kovacs likes Ortega. In the book he makes some reference to the Ryker sleeve ‘reacting’ on some level to her presence, like a pheromonal thing or something.
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Feb 24, 2018 23:49
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The hippy forest bullshit episode is almost indivisible from the Star Trek Discovery hippy forest bullshit episode in my mind. Are the people who write these things still trying to appeal to people who liked Avatar or something?
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Feb 24, 2018 23:55
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navyjack posted:Well, the worse income inequality gets, the better compensated the agents of state violence become. The boat was legit. He did some work with some Australian cops while chasing a case, and they work on a bounty system (you bag a big rich guy for a crime like a druglord or whatever, you get some of his stuff). Ryker's cut was the boat, but the other guys in the Fell St station just got jealous of it.
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Feb 25, 2018 01:52
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LinYutang posted:The only good part of the flashbacks is that you got to see more of Will Yun Lee who is a far better actor than Joel Kinnaman. Totally AlternateAccount posted:Every scene with Quell makes me want to stop watching. Yep
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Feb 25, 2018 02:22
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so do headshots = stack death or does he have to hit the neck specifically? there's a ton of headshots when he breaks out of the torture company, including the guy his partner promised not to kill, and i'm not clear if they're dead or Real Death'd™
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Feb 25, 2018 02:32
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Caganer posted:so do headshots = stack death or does he have to hit the neck specifically?
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Feb 25, 2018 02:34
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Caganer posted:so do headshots = stack death or does he have to hit the neck specifically? You gotta destroy the Stack to RD someone. That's the entire point of them; they're a human black box. Recover it from the The series writers just couldn't manage anything interesting beyond "Oh no, they got shot THROUGH THE STACK!" for drama when it came to character deaths. Tiggum posted:They have to hit the stack. The brain is dead weight when you've got a little computer in your neck replacing its functions. It's just a storage device, and wetware interface. It doesn't replace anything in the brain proper.
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Feb 25, 2018 02:35
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Neddy Seagoon posted:
It can't just be a storage device, unless brains are somehow grown in accord with the stored structure. Resleeving wouldn't work, otherwise.
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Feb 25, 2018 02:52
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a foolish pianist posted:It can't just be a storage device, unless brains are somehow grown in accord with the stored structure. Resleeving wouldn't work, otherwise. Hence "and wetware interface".
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Feb 25, 2018 02:56
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Neddy Seagoon posted:It's just a storage device, and wetware interface. It doesn't replace anything in the brain proper.
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Feb 25, 2018 03:11
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Torquemada posted:Re: why Kovacs likes Ortega. In the book he makes some reference to the Ryker sleeve ‘reacting’ on some level to her presence, like a pheromonal thing or something. It happens a few times in the books. People go from having the hots for each other to nothin’ when they resleeve, and in the last one Kovacs and some other people sleeve into some bioengineered combat sleeves and feel like siblings.
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Feb 25, 2018 03:16
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Tiggum posted:I don't understand the distinction you're making or how you think stacks work. The whole point is that they replace the brain, that's how you can transfer from one body to another. If the brain was still doing its job then there'd be two minds in the one body. This is why I was raising the issue earlier of what happens to a custom grown sleeve’s soul/brain/mind
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Feb 25, 2018 03:17
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Caganer posted:so do headshots = stack death or does he have to hit the neck specifically? The head shots sleeve-killed them, but you see him going around that room shooting them again, so he was basically ensuring that they would never come back.
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Feb 25, 2018 03:26
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Young Freud posted:The head shots sleeve-killed them, but you see him going around that room shooting them again, so he was basically ensuring that they would never come back. 
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Feb 25, 2018 03:32
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Neddy Seagoon posted:Hence "and wetware interface". The stack has to have processing that completely replaces the brain (or at least all the non autonomous functions). Otherwise, resleeving wouldn't do anything but start recording another brain's experiences.
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Feb 25, 2018 04:03
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Tiggum posted:I don't understand the distinction you're making or how you think stacks work. The whole point is that they replace the brain, that's how you can transfer from one body to another. If the brain was still doing its job then there'd be two minds in the one body. a foolish pianist posted:The stack has to have processing that completely replaces the brain (or at least all the non autonomous functions). Otherwise, resleeving wouldn't do anything but start recording another brain's experiences. Stacks are indeed backup storage, saving memories as they're formed in the brain. They're also a direct wetware link to interfacing with the brain for rewriting/wiping, because neural reprogramming is A Thing in Altered Carbon. It's why Neurachem exists, along with things like custom-grown sleeves with innate reflex skillsets. That's the general level of tech Altered Carbon is supposed to have. If the brain wasn't still doing its job, you could shoot someone in the skull and nothing would happen.
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IIRC, in the books, nobody showed how tough and serious they were by destroying stacks. Instead they’d kill you, grab the stack, and put you in virtual torture until you go crazy. Much nastier.
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Neddy Seagoon posted:Stacks are indeed backup storage, saving memories as they're formed in the brain. They're also a direct wetware link to interfacing with the brain for rewriting/wiping, because neural reprogramming is A Thing in Altered Carbon. It's why Neurachem exists, along with things like custom-grown sleeves with innate reflex skillsets. That's the general level of tech Altered Carbon is supposed to have.
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Tiggum posted:You're saying that when a stack gets put into a new body, it completely reconfigures the entire structure of the brain? That if you pulled the stack out of a person they'd carry on regardless because it already rewrote their brain and the stack is just a backup? I don't think that's supported in any way by the text and it's way more complicated and implausible than the stack just replacing the brain. Stacks never get put into a sleeve past the initial injection at-birth/creation, and yes they would if you did. Biotech in Altered Carbon is at the level that the brain's just hardware to be reprogrammed like any other computer. They also don't have to be at the base of the skull, it's just the standard spot because the spinal column hardens around it for an extra layer of protection. There's also an explicit part in Woken Furies about ripping stacks from people while they're still alive and tossing them in the ocean. Neddy Seagoon fucked around with this message at 04:47 on Feb 25, 2018 |
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Beefeater1980 posted:IIRC, in the books, nobody showed how tough and serious they were by destroying stacks. Instead they’d kill you, grab the stack, and put you in virtual torture until you go crazy. Much nastier. It’s also why when Kovacs snaps and starts RDijg people a bunch of characters step back and go “that dude may be a little very unstable.”
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Ugly In The Morning posted:It’s also why when Kovacs snaps and starts RDijg people a bunch of characters step back and go “that dude may be a little very unstable.” wait was this in the books or the show because iirc when he wakes up and RDs the lab there's no one with him to go "whoa man not cool" (cause they're all RD'd)
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Caganer posted:wait was this in the books or the show because iirc when he wakes up and RDs the lab there's no one with him to go "whoa man not cool" (cause they're all RD'd) Ortega is absolutely furious with him in the book for RD'ing the entire Wei Clinic in the book, and the only reason he slides on it is because the Wei Clinic aren't pressing charges. Something about not wanting cops to see their illicit dissection labs and obscenely-illegal virtual torture software, I guess.
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I am gonna keep watching this, but: - The 250 year thing hardly ever lands at all. It's tough to imagine it even being 50 years in the future. Filter cigarettes. Guns still look like guns. I feel like being time travelled back to 1770 would leave me completely disoriented and unfamiliar with just about anything, especially language. Going FORWARD 250 years, you might as well be transported to an alien planet. Budgets, yeah yeah, but... - Quell is awful. Actress and character both, but the writing is so banal and cliche maybe it's not her fault. Magical fighting skills, the absurd revelation that she invented stacks, and some kind of incredible leadership ability, but I can't help up feel she'd have trouble upsetting me to a bigger order of fries, much less guerrilla war. - The core concept is probably not utilized as much as it could be. I thought Miriam(is that her name?)'s thing with having an island full of naked clones of herself was an interesting use. Switching bodies seems like something they'd figure out in the first five years of this whatever-tech. Is that as far as the technology ever got? No other creative uses? - The characterizations in general are kind of clumsy and juvenile. IM AN EMOTIONLESS BADASS WHO'S LEARNING TO LOOOOOVE. Puke. I imagine this is a carry over from the books, but it's just completely lacking in any kind of sophistication. They just layer on more and more STUFF but none of it is really interesting. - James Purefoy makes every damned thing good. Every scene he's in is just gold, and that goes for literally everything I've ever seen him in, dong notwithstanding. Dude loves to get it out, though. I hope I still have that level of confidence at 53. - Ortega's really growing on me. Ongoing revelations legitimize some of her actions, and she's an underrated QT. AlternateAccount fucked around with this message at 05:25 on Feb 25, 2018 |
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Neddy Seagoon posted:Ortega is absolutely furious with him in the book for RD'ing the entire Wei Clinic in the book, and the only reason he slides on it is because the Wei Clinic aren't pressing charges. Something about not wanting cops to see their illicit dissection labs and obscenely-illegal virtual torture software, I guess. I guess the fact that it’s the state and not individuals who “press charges” has been forgotten in our cyberpunk future. (Yes it is this minor legal faction that punctured my suspension of disbelief)
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Caganer posted:I guess the fact that it’s the state and not individuals who “press charges” has been forgotten in our cyberpunk future. Think they explain this in the book in that the people in the clinic were property, so the clinic not pressing charges means the cops can't do anything.
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Zil posted:Think they explain this in the book in that the people in the clinic were property, so the clinic not pressing charges means the cops can't do anything. Even the doctors? That’s hella cyberpunk
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Zil posted:Think they explain this in the book in that the people in the clinic were property, so the clinic not pressing charges means the cops can't do anything. It's more of a political capital "go investigate something else" from on-high, iirc. AlternateAccount posted:- The characterizations in general are kind of clumsy and juvenile. IM AN EMOTIONLESS BADASS WHO'S LEARNING TO LOOOOOVE. Puke. I imagine this is a carry over from the books, but it's just completely lacking in any kind of sophistication. They just layer on more and more STUFF but none of it is really interesting. All your complaints, especially that one, are the fault of the series writers. The book is well worth a read.
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AlternateAccount posted:I am gonna keep watching this, but: Kovaks is an envoy so he's supposed to be good at adapting to new environments. There are some new things he clearly doesn't know about, like the tech of his bracelet. All the "creative uses" are hella illegal.
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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:Kovaks is an envoy so he's supposed to be good at adapting to new environments. There are some new things he clearly doesn't know about, like the tech of his bracelet. Good points.
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I enjoyed this show when I watched it, but holy hell the more I think about it the more I get annoyed about changes from the book. I usually roll with adaptations but they pretty much went to make the worst changes at every step.
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AlternateAccount posted:I am gonna keep watching this, but: Because 250 years from now in a world with flying cars, floating estates and zero-g fighting, elevators still operate the same as now, and there is no way to stop an elevator once someone's hit the button for Basement level. quote:- Quell is awful. Actress and character both, but the writing is so banal and cliche maybe it's not her fault. Magical fighting skills, the absurd revelation that she invented stacks, and some kind of incredible leadership ability, but I can't help up feel she'd have trouble upsetting me to a bigger order of fries, much less guerrilla war. quote:- The core concept is probably not utilized as much as it could be. I thought Miriam(is that her name?)'s thing with having an island full of naked clones of herself was an interesting use. Switching bodies seems like something they'd figure out in the first five years of this whatever-tech. Is that as far as the technology ever got? No other creative uses? I expected or hoped for a Robert Heinlein All You Zombies twist in which a stack is duped and put into the body of opposite gender sleeve so a meth could effectively have sex with him/herself. Binary Logic fucked around with this message at 11:31 on Feb 25, 2018 |
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Do we still need to mark spoilers?
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Ugly In The Morning posted:I enjoyed this show when I watched it, but holy hell the more I think about it the more I get annoyed about changes from the book. I usually roll with adaptations but they pretty much went to make the worst changes at every step. I went in not knowing there was a book. I felt like they assumed we’d have read it and a couple times felt lost til I cheated and looked at Wikipedia
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