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b-minus1 posted:really starting to get suspicious of 50. i don't believe his "mystery injection" claim. calling bullshit on that. he's pulled similar gambit poo poo before in previous games and i fell for it. If that's the concern then maybe wait to see if someone else gets mystery injected.
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Hi, so my vote on Tobbs was because he had at the very beginning of the game started jumping around from vote to vote, which I thought could be mafia behaviour. It wasn't enough to make a case on to get others to vote, and I didn't want to tip my hand early since I was waiting to see how his behaviour would progress more than I wanted to get anything started on him for like 3 three votes.. And then I wanted to press the issue of the vote to see how he would react to me when I had a vote on him. My goal was to see if he actually believed his votes or was just trying to get other people on them. I got the interactions I needed. I was not intending to make it seem like I had some kind of claim, but I guess it's another set of interactions to read later.
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Feb 26, 2018 02:05
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Anomalous Amalgam posted:Tell me in your own words and casing why. That seems loaded with no explanation. You thin k dgk was bussing me??? Because it didn't feel like that. Merk said everything I would have. You come across as disingenuous. DGK on the other hand isn't scummy because of what he said about you, he is scummy because of his lando assessment. Unlike Tobbs however, he doesn't have the benefit of a genuine discussion that I was a part of. You and DGK could be both scum bussing, one scum one town, or two town. However my assessment of both of you is independent of one another. The pressure DGK put on you could easily have been a scum bussing pressure or a genuine vote.
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Feb 26, 2018 02:06
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I'm going to look back at the Tobbs stuff later, but I've got no immediate case there. His case on Lando is hella bad though
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Feb 26, 2018 02:07
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Tolly Totes posted:I'm going to look back at the Tobbs stuff later, but I've got no immediate case there. His case on Lando is hella bad though Hella bad.
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Feb 26, 2018 02:08
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I went ahead and skimmed Tobbs votes to see what you were getting at, and I don't think he was throwing his vote around at all after jokephase. Sure, he made 3 jokevotes before getting serious but I don't see that as a case to vote him. But you do seem to have an actual reason for putting that vote down so I'll go ahead and ##unvote. Thank you for coming back and giving your reasons.
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Feb 26, 2018 02:10
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Lando131 posted:I went ahead and skimmed Tobbs votes to see what you were getting at, and I don't think he was throwing his vote around at all after jokephase. Sure, he made 3 jokevotes before getting serious but I don't see that as a case to vote him. Yes, this is why I specifically told you I don't have a case on him
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Feb 26, 2018 02:12
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I thought it might develop in that direction, but it didn't, which is why I didn't say "I think he might be throwing his vote around" because he would then obviously immediately be wary of that. I made sure he knew the vote was real because I thought it would give me stuff to read, which it has. I don't think he's scum right now, and wouldn't vote him today.
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Feb 26, 2018 02:15
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Deadbeat Dad posted:Again, and I can't clear this up any easier than this: Humans or hosts in the ~real life show~ have zero to do with your actual actual alignment in the game. So with this clarification in mind MMT would you be willing to admit if the power you used works only on either Human (scum) or Host (town)? It's ok if you don't want to
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Feb 26, 2018 02:29
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Tobbs Gnawed posted:Nope. Right so this is the post where I wanted to make sure I was home for. I was pretty sure that of all the people in the scum discord, only the four i mentioned were also in this game. I checked and here's the list of people in the dead doc: Me, You, AA, MMT, Max, Dick Bastardly, Xad and CCKeane. Of those it's only the first four in this game. If you look at the observer doc, the only other relevant person is Merk, butttt the observer doc only mentions it being my first game a single time, and it was way before Merk joined the chat, and even when he was in the chat he only talked briefly about the night actions before fading into the background. Merk in this very thread said he didn't even know it was my first game during that game. I wouldn't count Merk toward that list. The point is that if you're saying Lando took info from a mafia partner and then spouted it in the thread it's not a vague claim, it's a specific claim with a limited number of people who could be that mafia partner. It's me, you, MMT, or an outside chance of it being Merk. And since you're saying you think Lando is mafia specifically because he was fed information then that means you believe he is scum with one of those 5 players. And since you're not talking about yourself and you've said MMT is town, it's only me or AA or Merk.
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Feb 26, 2018 02:32
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I don't know MMT is town, I just strongly believe she is. And if Lando dies and flips town, it's all irrelevant anyways. At first I thought he was fumbling with his response and therefore behaving like caught scum, but he was pretty vehement in his self-defense which seems like a town response (especially for newer/inexperienced players).
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Feb 26, 2018 02:41
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Right, and it really can't be understated that the whole original idea that somebody hearing something in their personal chat and then immediately posting it in the thread without thinking about it is more likely than a novice player who said he reads other games reading another game was ridiculous in the first place.
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Feb 26, 2018 02:45
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Tolly Totes posted:Also, and this can't be understated, the whole original idea that somebody hearing something in their personal chat and then immediately posting it in the thread without thinking about it is more likely than a novice player who said he reads other games reading another game was ridiculous in the first place. Scum have been caught by sharing info that could only be obtained by having inside information. That may or may not be what's happening here, but it's something I keep in mind.
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Feb 26, 2018 02:48
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Tolly Totes posted:Right, and it really can't be understated that the whole original idea that somebody hearing something in their personal chat and then immediately posting it in the thread without thinking about it is more likely than a novice player who said he reads other games reading another game was ridiculous in the first place. See this is what I don't buy. I read mafia games for fun, why wouldn't other people?
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Feb 26, 2018 02:51
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All this argument over the content ofnthe discord makes me think I don't want to join the discord.
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Feb 26, 2018 02:53
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50 pounds of bread posted:See this is what I don't buy. I read mafia games for fun, why wouldn't other people? Most people don't even read the threads they're posting in?
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Feb 26, 2018 02:54
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Tobbs Gnawed posted:Scum have been caught by sharing info that could only be obtained by having inside information. I don't doubt it, but the key here is that it's information you could only obtain that way, instead of reading the most recent mafia game, or looking at the vote site. This whole thing is silly!
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Feb 26, 2018 02:57
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The accusation here is that someone who is informed on info from their scum buddies would come to the thread, and post their knowledge of it. Why would that ever happen?
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Feb 26, 2018 02:57
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Tobbs Gnawed posted:Most people don't even read the threads they're posting in? I really actually do want to drop this because I think it's unproductive but maybe don't assume that you know how most people behave?
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Feb 26, 2018 02:58
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Tolly Totes posted:I really actually do want to drop this because I think it's unproductive but maybe don't assume that you know how most people behave? 50% tongue-in-cheek 50% hard truth 0% assumption
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Feb 26, 2018 03:01
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50 pounds of bread posted:The accusation here is that someone who is informed on info from their scum buddies would come to the thread, and post their knowledge of it. Why would that ever happen? It happens accidentally. Scum can't keep everything straight, whether it's their opinions, or what info they should or should not have. It's a major accusation that gets thrown at many potential scumbos, and I think it's a good way to find scum.
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Feb 26, 2018 03:05
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Gridlocked posted:So with this clarification in mind MMT would you be willing to admit if the power you used works only on either Human (scum) or Host (town)? Keep in mind that I'm trying to be careful not to quote anything from my role PM. I could shoot someone during the day, and while I could target anyone, my bullets don't kill hosts, but can kill humans. The Occam's Razor assumption, at least to me, is that it's as straightforward as "if I target town they live, if I target scum they die".
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Feb 26, 2018 03:07
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I mean it can be hard to keep track of everything but like, not posting something somebody said in confidence to you like earlier that day is pretty easy.
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Feb 26, 2018 03:07
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Feb 26, 2018 03:07
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I have never seen the particular scumslip you are talking about and I have been playing mafia on SA for 11 years.
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Feb 26, 2018 03:08
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This just feels cruel at this point.
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Feb 26, 2018 03:09
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DGK2000 posted:I read everything in Ben Steins voice, and if it seems like bullshit it probably is. DGK2000 posted:How well do you know Lumpen? I made 2ish posts that were on you. So you're basically screaming "IM NOT SCUM HE'S WRONG!" I just want to call this out because I think it looks bad from the perspective of forcing tone onto players. I think it's something scum do to intentionally draw attention to players, and I believe that dgk has made a minor slip in their own explanation of their behavior and play. If you read everything in ben stein's voice to evaluate it, how then did you infer any tone from me? I didn't do any CAPS shouting, but look how quickly you tried to make me look like that was what I was doing. I've had meltdowns, and even walked away from the forums for month's following ~bad~ games, but this is not what was happening at all. Not now, and not then, and I think DGK looks bad for it. Putting a pin in this because as the game plays out, I think I will be taking a closer look at DGK. ---- I've eased on MMT without how the Vig on Quid played out, but it raises more questions me regarding both of these players, and something that I'll also need to read more info. Hot takes before I do some more casing: RF looks bad. Tobbs is looking worse by the second. Still a lot of lurking, but with a full IRL day out, it's probably not that pressing.
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Feb 26, 2018 03:11
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Let's focus our energy more positively! Twin where are you at right now?
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Feb 26, 2018 03:12
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50 pounds of bread posted:I have never seen the particular scumslip you are talking about and I have been playing mafia on SA for 11 years. GHGD in one of the shine games was a scum boss, shared info he shouldn't have had, and got dunked. KhediveRex said he knew I was town, and put me on a list of people he thought were scum. I called him out on it. He was scum and ended up winning that game. I apparently don't even remember most of the games I've played, but scumslips happen.
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Feb 26, 2018 03:12
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Murmur Twin posted:Keep in mind that I'm trying to be careful not to quote anything from my role PM. This just sounds... really weird to me.
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Feb 26, 2018 03:12
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sentimental snail posted:I would vote for rf. probably would not for kb, probably would for most others Why wouldn't you vote for KB?
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Feb 26, 2018 03:14
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Tolly Totes posted:Let's focus our energy more positively! All for this. Too many tangents.
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Feb 26, 2018 03:14
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Tobbs Gnawed posted:GHGD in one of the shine games was a scum boss, shared info he shouldn't have had, and got dunked. Sure, scumslips happen, but i've never seen a scumslip about another game.
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Feb 26, 2018 03:15
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Murmur Twin posted:Why wouldn't you vote for KB? Respond to me. I'm in a turboposting kind of mood.
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Feb 26, 2018 03:15
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Anomalous Amalgam posted:Hot takes before I do some more casing: TBH I'm annoyed that stuff I think I've already fully explained keeps getting brought up, but I think it's scummier to ignore people than it is to respond. But please, AA, if youre going to throw shade at me so casually, at least have something with which to back it up.
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Feb 26, 2018 03:16
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It's really more the idea that this information is sacred information in the first place. Like the idea that somebody would say something they shouldn't is possible, but where you've lost me is that the exclusive piece of info that you're trying to point out is actually publicly available and not exclusive to the mafia at all.
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Feb 26, 2018 03:20
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Murmur Twin posted:Keep in mind that I'm trying to be careful not to quote anything from my role PM. Good to know. You now have most of my trust. You're either town or 3P.
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Feb 26, 2018 03:21
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From now on whenever I sign up for a game I'm going to say exactly how many games I've played so that people can keep track of it and we don't waste all these words!
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Feb 26, 2018 03:25
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##vote sentimental snail - They express a willingness to not vote KB without really explaining why. - They don't actually do much of any real casing in their posts and the call outs they do make are already addressed by other players. - They land a vote on RF, whom I admittedly think is funny looking so far this game, but the entirety of sentimental's posts look way worse to me. - Where I think RF may be faking reads and opinions, I feel that sentimental is. --- sentimental snail posted:anyone claiming a pr is not town. humans are the ones that need to get in to character. mystery solved! sentimental snail posted:I don't have a pr. do you? Claiming to be vanilla is not a tell, but still in line with their previous post it just seems weird because they drop this "joke" entirely and moves on to make some pseudo-engaged posts about MMTs alignment, responding to a question by RF and then goes into some Mafia posting advice to look helpful??? Then they make a really poor attempt at a case on RF. sentimental snail posted:rf willfully tossed out a vote without reading to see what he was agreeing with, or even checking to see if he actually agreed with something. In this post, there is flimsy reasoning for the RF vote. More KB defending, and then something that I already called out and think is probably the most important thing to take away from all this is their stance on what's happening with the second game knowledge. IF they feel scum are driving this thread derailing narrative, why aren't they engaging the players discussing it and opting out for this easy, mostly unexplained, vote on RF??? I don't think sentimental is town.
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Votecount for Day 1  Retro Futurist (3): Quidthulhu, merk, sentimental snail Tobbs Gnawed (2): flerp, Anomalous Amalgam, Tolly Totes, Anomalous Amalgam (2): DGK2000, Gridlocked, Murmur Twin, b-minus1, merk, merk (1): Tobbs Gnawed, King Burgundy (1): Lando131, sentimental snail (1): Tobbs Gnawed, DGK2000 (1): HiipFire 50 pounds of bread (1): Murmur Twin Tolly Totes (1): Tobbs Gnawed, Lando131, Lumpen, Lumpen (0): Anomalous Amalgam, Quidthulhu (0): Dead Cow, King Burgundy, HiipFire (0): Dancer, b-minus1 (0): King Burgundy, Dancer (0): Dancer, Lando131 (0): merk, Murmur Twin (0): sentimental snail, Not Voting (9): 50 pounds of bread, Atomic Soda, Dead Cow, King Burgundy, Lando131, Mr. F!, Retro Futurist, Tobbs Gnawed, Tolly TotesWith 22 alive, it's 12 votes to execute. The current deadline is February 27th, 2018 at 6:30 p.m. EST -- that's in about 1 day, 21 hours.
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