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I'm rewatching the Timothy Dalton Bond movies, inspired by this fake poster: I'd forgotten how much I enjoyed him in the role.  Edit: I also hadn't realised how much I missed those bits where Q would be testing out some new gadget in the background. Wheat Loaf fucked around with this message at 22:35 on Feb 21, 2018 |
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He was good. Also had Wayne Newton as a Bond villain Edit: forgot Christopher Walken was in A View to a Kill brocked fucked around with this message at 00:21 on Feb 22, 2018 |
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Feb 22, 2018 00:19
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Onto Licence To Kill and right from the cold open it's very obviously a post-Lethal Weapon world.  Edit: I forgot Benicio Del Toro was in this one.
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Feb 23, 2018 18:47
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License To Kill, tonally, explored a lot of stuff that Casino Royale would later be praised for, in terms of it’s more grounded, brutal interpretation of the character. Unfortunately the moviegoing audience was still in full-tilt jetpacks and lasers mode. Dalton was actually pretty good in the role, he just happened to get it at the wrong time.
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Feb 23, 2018 19:39
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I really love License To Kill, and vastly prefer it to Daylights. I understand people not liking it though. It's the most American Bond film, besides Die Another Day.
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Feb 23, 2018 19:46
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James Woods Fan posted:I really love License To Kill, and vastly prefer it to Daylights. I understand people not liking it though. It's the most American Bond film, besides Die Another Day. I prefer Licence, partly because what happens to Leiter is such a downer.
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Feb 23, 2018 19:50
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I must agree, having watched them now back-to-back, I find that I like Licence a lot more than Daylights. The latter felt like a Roger Moore holdover and the former distinguished Dalton as full-on Lethal Weapon action hero Bond as opposed to suave seventies super-spy Bond as Moore played him. One persistent criticism of the Craig movies is that, aside from Casino Royale, they've felt too much like Bourne movies (I very keenly remember this being levelled at Quantum of Solace in particular; I think Mendes gave Skyfall and Spectre enough distinctiveness to avoid that although those movies have their own issues quite aside from the direction) but Licence, as Fart City mentioned above, does a lot of the same things Craig Bond has tried to do but the inclusion of Q and a few lower-key gadgets by itself really adds a lot. I've heard Danny Boyle is a likely candidate to direct the next one, which will be Craig's last. I don't know who I'd like to see direct them after that, or even who I'd like to see as the next James Bond. Everyone says Idris Elba, obviously, and while he'd very good I feel like he'd be too similar to Craig. To be completely honest I think I would get a real kick out of Colin Firth just redoing Roger Moore movies. Lobok posted:I prefer Licence, partly because what happens to Leiter is such a downer. It's very strange that they went out of their way to get an actor who'd previously played Leiter to reprise the role, but they got a guy who'd played him 15 years earlier in Live and Let Die and not, you know, the guy who played him in the previous movie. Wheat Loaf fucked around with this message at 00:08 on Feb 24, 2018 |
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Feb 24, 2018 00:06
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I dunno, I feel like Daylights is too grounded and stone-faced to be a Moore holdover. It very much feels like the Bond series trying Le Carre or Ludlum's style on for size, whereas License to Kill is a straight-up 80s action movie shoved into the Bond franchise unceremoniously. They're both good movies and both absolute oddities in the series.
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Feb 24, 2018 03:41
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:I dunno, I feel like Daylights is too grounded and stone-faced to be a Moore holdover. It very much feels like the Bond series trying Le Carre or Ludlum's style on for size, whereas License to Kill is a straight-up 80s action movie shoved into the Bond franchise unceremoniously. Daylights has Bond escaping down a mountain in a cello case. Don't recall George Smiley ever doing that
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Feb 24, 2018 12:56
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Davros1 posted:Daylights has Bond escaping down a mountain in a cello case. Don't recall George Smiley ever doing that But a guy who's been forced out of his job and cuckolded by his wife? Definitely the type to overcompensate by driving a car with spiked tires, rocket propulsion, and missiles.
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Feb 24, 2018 16:44
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Davros1 posted:Daylights has Bond escaping down a mountain in a cello case. Don't recall George Smiley ever doing that that's like the one really goofy bit in the entire movie, though, which makes it remarkably low-key for Bond.
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Feb 24, 2018 16:49
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Daylights and License both have a some legit awesome stunts involving planes too.
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Feb 24, 2018 17:00
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:that's like the one really goofy bit in the entire movie, though, which makes it remarkably low-key for Bond. Escaping through the pipeline was goofy too. And the killer milkman. Love "The Living Daylights"
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Feb 24, 2018 17:00
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eh, i think those are a more grounded kind of goofy, not the same kind of goofy that gave us Bond in space and kung-fu Bond. like, the killer milkman isn't all that far off from bizarre poo poo actual intelligence agencies tried.
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Feb 24, 2018 17:02
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Neo Rasa posted:Daylights and License both have a some legit awesome stunts involving planes too. The plane fight in TLD was the first time watching a Bond film in the cinema that I felt genuinely on the edge of my seat. The Bond films are a bit weird in retrospect, because they're action movies where a lot of the time the action is pretty pedestrian. There are plenty of cases of someone doing their own version of Bond that's actually more exciting than the real thing: Spielberg with Raiders or Cameron with True Lies, for example. Martin Campbell is the only Bond director who really tried to amp things up throughout - the fight between Bond and Trevelyan in Goldeneye was another of the few edge-of-seat sequences from the entire series.
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Feb 24, 2018 17:13
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It's because Bond is primarily a travelogue series, not an action series. It's about going to exotic locations and the good looking people in those locations, plus throw in some fun spy shenanigans. The formula doesn't really require much action.
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Feb 24, 2018 17:18
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Bond could reliably deliver blockbuster action before we even knew what that meant. Movies eventually caught up action-wise but for a long time Bond still had the travelogue and production design advantages, which it's also now lost. Like there's nothing about Bond that is inherently much more popular than any other action hero but you think about those movies in the 60s and 70s and how much effort and artistry and resources were put into them and it's unreal. They were events. Nowadays that's just considered making any big budget film. But there's no reason why Mission: Impossible couldn't have been a movie series back then on the level of Bond (or instead of Bond) doing the same thing it is now. Right now with Mendes and Deakins, and possibly Danny Boyle, it makes me wonder if cinematography is intentionally the competitive advantage they're going for. M:I and Bourne and Fast & Furious and Marvel may look cool but "hey, check out the sheer beauty and richness and artistry of our sophisticated action cinema".
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Feb 24, 2018 18:30
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Lobok posted:Bond could reliably deliver blockbuster action before we even knew what that meant. Movies eventually caught up action-wise but for a long time Bond still had the travelogue and production design advantages, which it's also now lost. Like there's nothing about Bond that is inherently much more popular than any other action hero but you think about those movies in the 60s and 70s and how much effort and artistry and resources were put into them and it's unreal. They were events. Nowadays that's just considered making any big budget film. But there's no reason why Mission: Impossible couldn't have been a movie series back then on the level of Bond (or instead of Bond) doing the same thing it is now. Don't forget the music.
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Feb 25, 2018 00:25
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Wheat Loaf posted:Don't forget the music. I never will! I got that 2-CD 30th anniversary collection back in high school and the track listing is still how I remember the order of the movies. But yeah that's one thing it will have that no other franchise can because then it would be an obvious rip-off. I don't think it could really be considered an advantage, though. Like nobody's thinking "gotta go see that new Bond movie -- it's got a new track by Harry Styles!"
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Feb 25, 2018 02:48
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It's funny how the quality of the action scenes ebbs and flows in the series. Like, the final fight between Bond and Grant in From Russia With Love is legit an amazing fight scene: just two beefy dudes throwing each other around a train car. It is awesome. But the franchise never really capitalized on that being the standard, so the best stuff can be counted on like what, two hands? 1. Ski scene - On Her Majesty's Secret Service 2. Big car chase - For Your Eyes Only 3. Golden Gate Bridge finale - A View To A Kill 4. Helicopter scene - The Living Daylights 5. Tank chase - Goldeneye 6. Cradle fight - Goldeneye 7. Bathroom fight - Casino Royale 8. Helicopter fight - Spectre 9. Train Fight - FRWT
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Feb 25, 2018 04:26
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I’m watching spectre right this second and I’ve just hit the garbage intro song and the helicopter fight sucks. Sorry. The train fight is good. If I recall correctly.
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Feb 25, 2018 04:28
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Payndz posted:
I don't agree with this at all. Maybe by today's standards the action is pedestrian but the films have always been known for their spectacular and real stunts. Anything in any Bond film blows anything in True Lies out of the water in terms of craftsmanship and skill for example. And in terms of consistancy pretty much every film has at least one or two hugely impressive and thrilling stunts or action scenes. It's real people often in highly dangereous situations. I think whether it's "exciting" or not by today's standards can speak to the editing style, the pacing, or the varying quality of the stories over the years but in my mind they've always been very impressive films purely based on the action and stunts in dramatic locations.
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Feb 25, 2018 08:34
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Wandle Cax posted:Anything in any Bond film blows anything in True Lies out of the water in terms of craftsmanship and skill for example. I feel like you've forgotten a lot of what is in True Lies. And a lot of the astounding garbage that the Bond films contain.
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Feb 25, 2018 09:28
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True Lies smokes Bond films in terms of skill and craftsmanship. And misogyny.
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Feb 25, 2018 10:49
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James Woods Fan posted:True Lies smokes Bond films in terms of skill and craftsmanship. And misogyny. As a big budget Cameron special effects spectacle sure. In terms of stunts, well I guess the horse chase is pretty good
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Feb 26, 2018 01:07
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Fart City posted:It's funny how the quality of the action scenes ebbs and flows in the series. Like, the final fight between Bond and Grant in From Russia With Love is legit an amazing fight scene: just two beefy dudes throwing each other around a train car. It is awesome. But the franchise never really capitalized on that being the standard, so the best stuff can be counted on like what, two hands? The car chase in Daylights is half the reason to pop the disc in the Blu-Ray player. And the cargo plane scene is so exciting and fantastic that if the movie ended with his line about knowing a great restaurant in Karachi you would be satisfied until twenty minutes later when you would stop and go "hey waitaminnit..." Casino Royale was great for action. The parkour scene is perfection. Almost a different action beat per shot, lots of ingenuity, real physicality without any fighting, realism and real stunts, and maybe best of all it separates the two characters wordlessly through their actions, subtly telling you who this new Bond is. I'd add the last setpiece too, in the sinking building. If only because it's charged with way more character drama with Vesper than a Bond movie typically invests into its women. But also because the premise/setting is such a great mash-up of action elements in the sinking building, with the water, staircase shootout, elevator, and construction site. Y'know, I just realized... was Bond intentionally put into blue collar action scenes in that movie to contrast the high roller elegance of the rest, and maybe to say that's where the rough and tumble Bond is actually at home? TMD is one I really enjoy, too. The infiltration scene at the paper isn't outstanding but I do love the opening arms deal scene, the Spy Who Loved Me redux in the stealth ship at the end, and the Backseat Driver car scene in the parking garage is an all-time high for me, not least because the score is incredible. I remember seeing on the net years ago that some prof uses that piece in a course about movie scores, especially action scenes, as something everyone should aspire to. I love listening to it all on its own. There are more scenes too but overall I'd say you're shortchanging the Connery movies a lot. I know growing up even something as simple as the "Siamese vodka?!" brawl scene in You Only Live Twice was great, if only on the basis of my dad's reactions to it when I was growing up. But the fight against Oddjob with the bomb about to blow is certainly up there. It's just Bond in a cage match against an invincible man of stone. There's not much in the way of choreography but it's a tense fight that has a hugely satisfying end. Lobok fucked around with this message at 02:13 on Feb 26, 2018 |
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Feb 26, 2018 02:09
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The skyscraper fight in Skyfall is also memorable but that's mainly due to Deakins cinematography. I also thought Batista's fight on the train in Spectre was good too.
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Feb 26, 2018 04:21
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Die Another Day - Hovercraft chase World is not Enough - River thames speedboat chase Tomorrow never dies - Vietnam city bike/helicopter chase Goldeneye - Dam jump, tank chase Licence to kill - Seaplane hang, big rig truck chase Living Daylights - Ice car chase, plane scene View to a Kill - Eiffel tower jump Octopussy - Airplane flies through a warehouse For Your Eyes Only - Helicopter antics in London, Citroen hillside chase, Massive cliff climb/fall Moonraker - Skydive fight Spy who loved Me - Famous ski jump Man with the Golden Gun - Car corkscrew barrell roll jump Live and Let Die - Bayou speed boat chase, walking over live crocodiles
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Feb 26, 2018 04:42
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It almost seems unfair to compare Bond movies to modern day stuff. Fight sequences and action scenes generally suck in all those old movies.
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Feb 26, 2018 04:49
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Yeah in fact the action genre pretty much didn't exist in the 60s so i'd say the Bond films played a big part in creating the genre itself
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Feb 26, 2018 06:20
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Lady Bloodfight: Imagine making an low budget all-female fighting tournament movie set in Hong Kong. It features the city as almost a secondary character. It has a bunch of great physical actresses who are powerful and skilled, if a little thin on the acting chops. And it's shot absolutely incompetently, every single loving fight framed badly and diced into hash by incompetent direction and editing. What an absolute letdown. Megaman's Jockstrap fucked around with this message at 23:32 on Feb 26, 2018 |
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Feb 26, 2018 23:29
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Yeah, it sucked. Such an easy premise, too.
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Feb 27, 2018 01:21
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Gatts posted:The skyscraper fight in Skyfall is also memorable but that's mainly due to Deakins cinematography. A lot of people give the Scotland mansion sequence poo poo but I love it, especially how it gets darker and darker as the sun sets. Plus, I love how they set up Bond's father's rifle, show off the engraving, show him practicing with it..... and then as soon as Bond gets the chance, he ditches it for an assault rifle. Like, yeah, of course the automatic weapon with a gigantic magazine and plenty of ammo to scrounge off of corpses is a better option, why the gently caress would he hang on to that museum gun?
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What do you guys think are some of the most perfect action sequences in western film? I say western, because I’m trying to stay away from martial arts movies, as it’s kinda easy mode. I mean, how can you top the end of Drunken Master 2, or the teahouse shootout from Hardboiled? Jet Li vs the General at the end of Fist of Legend? Also, it feels to me that the western action scene is a carefully crafted beast, more of a showcase of the director and editor, whereas the martial arts scenes are usually showcases of the performers themselves. Which isn’t to say that one is better than the other, though, I think it can be argued that there is a purity and value in seeing just how good some of the performers are. The movies themselves don’t have to be good, just should have an incredible action scene. I thought about putting something from Saving Private Ryan or Blackhawk Down, but I feel that war movies shouldn’t really count, as they’re not really meant to be enjoyed. So, I suppose for the sake of easy parameters, I’ll keep it to western film. If I had to list my top five, I think it’d be: The Truck chase from Raiders- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1ZyHNmb1yU&t=444s The semi chase from Bad Boys 2- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mrPXPI9zA8 Opening from Goldeneye- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bG0ubyDFP_Y Bloodrave from Blade- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHBhKbF2xMA Lobby shootout from the Matrix- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuslUzbJEaw To me, these are like masterclasses in how to do a compelling action scene, complete with their own structure, goals, and themes. Each one serves a purpose within the film; it’s not just filler. Honorable mentions include the tank chase from Goldeneye, tanker chase from License to Kill, finale of Rambo 4, 1950s Biff chasing Marty on the kid’s board from Back to the Future, and the street shootout from Heat- though I know I’ll get reamed for not putting it in my top five. So, yeah, what do you dudes think? Anytime you try to list a top-anything, you’ll definitely forget something that you know belongs, so I know my list is terribly imperfect, but I think it’s a start. Plus, maybe we’ll turn each other on to some hidden gems. EDIT- As I lay in bed waiting to fall asleep, I've thought of, like, fifteen other scenes I should have listed. Haha, oh well. Narzack fucked around with this message at 03:55 on Mar 8, 2018 |
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The alley fight from They Live https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mm4mLsCAyI On the outside it's just a simple fight scene between two big dudes hossin' each other around an alley. But structurally it's really quite well put together, with conservative use of editing in favor of extended shots and clever blocking to keep the viewer "in" the scene. There's no music, so the only audio you get is the diegetic sound of the fight itself and the omnipresence of the city of Los Angeles. It's not flashy, but it's pure character work through action, and a great example of how an action scene can push a narrative forward.
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I just recently rewatched The Matrix and I had forgotten how so many of the memorable sequences tie together. As soon as Neo and Trinity decide to save Morpheus it goes -Lobby scene -Rooftop fight with Neo getting Agent speed and "dodge this" -The helicopter rescue of Morpheus and subsequent helicopter crash -Neo's subway station fight with Smith -The chase to the phone with Neo's apparent death, rebirth, and becoming The One -Taking out the Sentinels with the EMP Other than Smith's monologue to Morpheus there's nothing to break any of it up.
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Not only that, but every single shot is pretty much perfection.
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Narzack posted:What do you guys think are some of the most perfect action sequences in western film? Just some off the top of my head The crash landing/Louvre battle scene from Edge of Tomorrow, combination of spectacular visuals and a genuinely thrilling and tense scene in the context of the movie Burton/Nola fight in the Banshee tv show, extremely brutal and well crafted visceral fight scene with a real sense of unpredictability and true desperation Ciudad Juarez/Border crossing scene in Sicario - not a huge action scene in the traditional sense but a masterclass in drawn out tension
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Wandle Cax posted:Burton/Nola fight in the Banshee tv show, extremely brutal and well crafted visceral fight scene with a real sense of unpredictability and true desperation The first two seasons stream for free on Amazon Prime, so people should give it a chance. If you make it through those, you can subscribe to Cinemax through Amazon Prime and get a free week -- more than enough time to binge-watch Seasons 3 and 4. By that point anyone would be hooked.
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Whenever the conversation turns toward Banshee I like to show people this as a teaser. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqRPaucl8r4 There's a LOT of wild cutting that I suspect would irk the usual crowd here, but this is the kind of poo poo you have to get through before you get to Burton/Nola, which really deserves to be seen in context. And anyway, the brutality of it gets through all right. DivisionPost fucked around with this message at 07:06 on Mar 8, 2018 |
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