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Murmur Twin posted:I’m very not-a-fan of how you keep acknowledging people (lumpen and DC) are doing scummy things but then coming up with some out-of-game reason not to show suspicion or apply pressure. I'd vote DC, friend. I didn't mean to say that I wouldn't. I probably wouldn't vote Lumpen as a primary candidate now, but I'm leaning more scummy than townie on him. That is, I'd vote him at deadline over a lot of other people.
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merk posted:Do you still believe in this vote, guy? yes. I'm all for jumping on people pushing bad cases d1 (and have done so to mmt in particular in the past), but I'm still comfortable with an rf vote given his responses. I thought he gave enough reasoning after the fact, but I don't believe he went into his decision with all of that in mind. that said, it's not gonna happen today and I don't think there is any need to push it further right now Tolly Totes posted:Why are you talking to me? kinda wanna vote you for this post though
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Anomalous Amalgam posted:Hot TakesStand by what I said on Snail which is Stick Up? correct! 
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Feb 27, 2018 17:25
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Murmur Twin posted:Assume any of my posts in the next few hours are phoneposts. Yeah it does seem like AA's post she quoted was the sort you'd pick out as scum as a starting point for making a throwaway case to appear engaged. It's not like AA's response would even be very revealing about his alignment
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Feb 27, 2018 17:25
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merk posted:I probably wouldn't vote Lumpen as a primary candidate now, but I'm leaning more scummy than townie on him. That is, I'd vote him at deadline over a lot of other people. this is pretty much how I feel about rf!
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Feb 27, 2018 17:26
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Murmur Twin posted:I’m mostly skimming for now but will fine-toothed comb it later and give a better reply. Meek has barely tried with his PR and keeps complaining about it, I don’t buy it as him making that up.
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Feb 27, 2018 17:28
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Lumpen posted:If it's not too much trouble, perhaps you would like to take a look at this classic even though it's no good... This list is incredibly long and some part of it could probably almost every player at some point in every game. Lumpen, I'm trying to look past your PR and look for you casing people like I know you do as town and I am having a hard time finding much other than a little on Tolly, am I missing something? You seem to be more of your distracting scum Lumpen to me this game.
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Feb 27, 2018 17:30
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sentimental snail posted:this is pretty much how I feel about rf! I’m stil, your number one pick, despite everything else that’s happened and the fact that your mini case on me is entirely incorrect?
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Feb 27, 2018 17:30
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I guess you did sorta case AA as well Lumpen but it was a pretty limp "too self-conscious" without any real follow up that I can see
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Feb 27, 2018 17:37
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sentimental snail posted:kinda wanna vote you for this post though Specifically because Lumpen earlier said he would not answer questions from people he thought were Mafia
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Feb 27, 2018 17:37
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Hal Incandenza posted:This list is incredibly long and some part of it could probably almost every player at some point in every game. Here it is:
If you're being sincere in this critique of saying I'm "distancing", then please state who you think am I "distancing" from? I would expect you could say Tolly or AA based on my posts, maybe Atomic Soda. I will make a pact with you to vote your choice (or anyone in my Supposably Scummy spots, for that matter) with you and ride it as far as you do. Your critique strikes me as insincere though, I have to say.
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Feb 27, 2018 17:38
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Retro Futurist posted:I’m stil, your number one pick, despite everything else that’s happened and the fact that your mini case on me is entirely incorrect? I like the intentionally obtuse reply that you're hoping will color other poster's opinions of me, but that is not what the post I quoted says. it says, exactly, these words: I probably wouldn't vote [Retro Futurist] as a primary candidate now, but I'm leaning more scummy than townie on him
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Feb 27, 2018 17:39
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I think the manner in which RF brought up and carried out his "human in the show but Host-Aligned" stuff was something that a Human-aligned player would not have done, and so that counts in RF's favor with me.
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Feb 27, 2018 17:39
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I don't think Lumpen is an ill-intentioned player here. His play looks like the limited experience I've had with them in the past. I think Lumpen is putting down a lot of noise, but he doesn't seem to be trying to obfuscate the current play and his reads come across as sincere even if they are weak, IMO. Where as Gridlocked looks to be a momentum rider who really hasn't been following the thread too closely for developing cases. ##vote Gridlocked Would vote Snail if there's enough there for that. DC is also kind of strange, but I'm in the air about DC.
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Lumpen posted:I think the manner in which RF brought up and carried out his "human in the show but Host-Aligned" stuff was something that a Human-aligned player would not have done, and so that counts in RF's favor with me. I did consider this as well, but a non-town player, expecting some members of the town to know already as well, could very well give that information up early on for town cred
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Feb 27, 2018 17:42
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Here are my reads collected in one place for you, I've got no desire to do the song and dance of a list under a threat.Tolly Totes posted:I’d vote DGK or Lumpen. I’d also vote somebody who isn’t posting. Tolly Totes posted:Guys I strongly feel Lando is town, MMT and Quid as well. Tobbs and Hiipfire I've still got weird feelings about but they're other people that I* have enough town feelings toward that I wouldn't vote. Tolly Totes posted:He's deliberately posting short sentences. I don't know if this a Hemingway like effort to be as efficient as possible, but he hasn't claimed a Funny Talk. I guess I never mentioned it in thread but I also don't really see a good vote on RF or AA. I haven't looked at Snail yet.
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Feb 27, 2018 17:44
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Lumpen posted:Hal, I'm pretty sure you've seen the Scumtellidex before several times. I'm proud to debut a new final bullet point, by the way! I actually said DISTRACTING not distancing. Like distracting me with your scumidex and your misreads of what I said rather than overpowering me with your autistic casing...
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Feb 27, 2018 17:45
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Anomalous Amalgam posted:I don't think Lumpen is an ill-intentioned player here. His play looks like the limited experience I've had with them in the past. Yeah ok I would vote this guy for this weak post ##vote AA
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Feb 27, 2018 17:46
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I'm gonna try an experiment sentimental snail posted:re: whoever asked my opinion on tobbs, tobbs has a thing where he calls me scum in every game we're in together (see: his day 1 joke vote against TIAS saying I'm probably scum). he has been wrong every time so far, but for some reason, actually convinces himself somehow that's it's a sure thing. tobbs, I'm surprised you didn't give me a quip in response to this. please acknowledge my feelings, and reply in the thread
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Feb 27, 2018 17:46
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Hal Incandenza posted:Yeah ok I would vote this guy for this weak post ##vote AA What about that one post specifically when I've addressed the points on there previously?
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Feb 27, 2018 17:47
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Not fully caught up, but know that the number of people that think I'm suspicious for lurking but are giving Mr. F a pass is hilarious to me. I guess my new meta should be not posting at all in future games? You are trying to turn me into what I hate most and it is really really funny.
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Feb 27, 2018 17:48
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Anomalous Amalgam posted:What about that one post specifically when I've addressed the points on there previously? I mean there seems to be no consensus in the thread, so what specifically about me wanting to vote Gridlocked for their bad disconnected vote is weak?
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Feb 27, 2018 17:48
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Gridlocked posted:I trust MMT and Quid as Town due to MMT day action. This was a whole lot of words to establish that he's only willing to vote for AA? I'm really not clear on who he actually thinks is scum if it is not just AA from this post.
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Feb 27, 2018 17:50
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Mostly my thing with Lumpen is trying to figure out if all these stiff yet inconsistent maxims he follows and tries to badger others into following are like, a real thing
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Feb 27, 2018 17:51
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Gridlocked posted:I support this logic. Hanging onto this vote riding on DGKs initial vote that they walked away from after I've explained that vote in thread several times over now. Instead of making any real cases or following anything that has happened in thread, this still seems to be the best vote???
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Feb 27, 2018 17:51
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King Burgundy posted:Not fully caught up, but know that the number of people that think I'm suspicious for lurking but are giving Mr. F a pass is hilarious to me. I guess my new meta should be not posting at all in future games? You are trying to turn me into what I hate most and it is really really funny. I agree completely, and this is a large part of why I'm unwilling to vote kb based on what's been put forward, but tbf, this is standard mr. f meta (town and scum) right now and I think there are more relevant options for the day
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Feb 27, 2018 17:52
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The vote was made at the start of the game. They've made some empty posts about suspicion and little else. They aren't playing the game.
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Feb 27, 2018 17:52
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King Burgundy posted:Not fully caught up, but know that the number of people that think I'm suspicious for lurking but are giving Mr. F a pass is hilarious to me. I guess my new meta should be not posting at all in future games? You are trying to turn me into what I hate most and it is really really funny.
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Feb 27, 2018 17:53
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Hal Incandenza posted:I'm driving to Albuquerque for most of the day today so I will probably find a more effective spot than Tobbs to leave my vote in a bit in case I can't get back to the thread in time. I still have bad feelings on Tobbs but mostly it's lingering from my distaste from him being so self-defensive early on. Since then his posting has been alright, not super townie but nothing else he has done has jumped out at me. Are you coming to visit me? 
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Feb 27, 2018 17:54
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FYI I’m at a conference that concludes at 5pm cst. After that I will be around until deadline
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Gridlocked posted:I thought DGK had a good point. Jumping on a joke vote first post seemed like try to slip a cheap one under the radar At this point, the vote by Gridlocked is an example of this very thing they claimed I was doing. They posted a vote on me, not long after DGK 3 IRL days ago, and their post history is fluff and mostly one-line responses to things.
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King Burgundy posted:Not fully caught up, but know that the number of people that think I'm suspicious for lurking but are giving Mr. F a pass is hilarious to me. I guess my new meta should be not posting at all in future games? You are trying to turn me into what I hate most and it is really really funny. Hi King, What I specifically find weird about your self comparison to Mr. F is that obviously Mr. F is not posting, and I don't think people are necessarily giving that a pass as much as just having nothing to read. You are posting, but your posts are curt. This is different to not posting at all because it seems intentional, especially when you do stuff like just post a votecount. In the original post you quoted where Dancer said "Who is this" for Mr. F vs a read for you, I wasn't interpreting that as saying Mr. F was fine when you were not. I saw that as him saying Mr. F has posted nothing, which isn't a positive. That your first response to all criticism has been to point to a poster you think is worse than you, to the point that you do it before you've even read the thread is not encouraging either. Does that help clear things up here?
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Anomalous Amalgam posted:What about that one post specifically when I've addressed the points on there previously? I didn't consider your earlier points because I just found the whole tone of that post phony. I'll look them over after but regardless that post itself is scummy. First I don't see how someone can be putting down a lot of noise without trying to obfuscate as you say, and I think saying someone has weak but sincere reads is just like double hedging in one read (especially from a player like Lumpen who isn't really known for weak reads). I completely disagree that Gridlocked has seemed scummy and I don't think that one vote being out of place can possibly be the most compelling read you can find in this game. Then you wrap up with a total hedge non-call on DC that I don't even know why you felt like you had to include unless it was to jump off of later
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Hal Incandenza posted:I didn't consider your earlier points because I just found the whole tone of that post phony. I'll look them over after but regardless that post itself is scummy. It's lunch time now. I hot takes on phone while I'm on the go, but I can unabashedly use my three computer screens to nerd out on forums games without my supervisor clucking his tongue at me.
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Feb 27, 2018 17:59
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Anomalous Amalgam posted:At this point, the vote by Gridlocked is an example of this very thing they claimed I was doing. I'm going to look at Grodlocked again but I think there are a few good posts in the their history and you aren't really giving those any credit
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Feb 27, 2018 18:00
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King Burgundy posted:Are you coming to visit me? Ha, I am in ABQ/Santa Fe/Taos areas pretty regularly so I'll totally come visit you sometime if that is where you are
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The reason why I think Lumpen's noise isn't obfuscating play is because it doesn't pick apart cases for weird reasons. He's doing what he has on his scumtellidex with the contribution of chaff and general tips, but I don't read that as actually mucking up cases people have put forth, or like intentionally misinterpreting which is definite obfuscation. I disagree about gridlocked, but that may be a read thing. You have more than double the content in your few posts than they do in their own which nearly triple yours. The call on DC is because they too are also focusing on a bad easy vote from the very start of the game for no real reason that I can see that is factual to what actually transpired.
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Feb 27, 2018 18:03
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Tolly Totes posted:Hi King, Nope. Because despite him posting nothing, he is lower on suspicion lists than I am. When the reason people are suspicious of me is lurking, that doesn't actually jive as a real opinion. However, since so many of you have it, you can't all be scum. In fairness, only my first game with the new meta, I'll see how this plays out after multiple before adjusting further, as I'd rather not become what I hate just to prove a point.
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Feb 27, 2018 18:04
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KB, friend, the argument is that you're content lurking.
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merk posted:KB, friend, the argument is that you're content lurking. I'm absolutely not. Getting my alignment opinions on the record with every check in. Content lurking would be only poo poo posting/flavor posting/game discussion.
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