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z0331
Oct 2, 2003

Holtby thy name
Are there even rumblings in the Caps about coaching? Like don't teams have closed-door meetings or something when things are so clearly wrong? Or is everyone pretending this is just a slump and things are fine?

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a false
Mar 5, 2009

I DECIDE
WHO LIVES
AND WHO DIES

Rotten Cookies posted:

Dumb Idea alert:

What if draft position (for non-playoff teams) was decided by the number of points a team gets after being mathematically eliminated from playoffs? Instead of straight up tanking, you'd have to sandbag then go on a tear to get a good draft position. Players probably don't like it much when fans cheer for a loss, or having people talk about a tank. And a terrible start to a season could be salvaged if you go off. Also, you can still make trades after the deadline, right? It's just that the players aren't playoff eligible? The idea of a bad team trading for like, EK, to get a better shot at someone like McDavid, would be hilarious.

Anyway, dumb idea, but I thought it was fun. Also 3 pt regulation wins would be nice, but whatevs.

the thing is with the parity in the league mathematical eliminations don't start to happen until very close to the end of the season

hifi
Jul 25, 2012

nobody's eliminated right now, for example

Slappy Pappy
Oct 15, 2003

Mighty, mighty eagle soaring free
Defender of our homes and liberty
Bravery, humility, and honesty...
Mighty, mighty eagle, rescue me!
Dinosaur Gum
GMBM; “Here are a couple of LHD I acquired at the deadline so you don’t have to play Orpik. They aren’t great but they should help us with our most obvious weakness.”

(Trotz benches Djoos)

Habibi
Dec 8, 2004

We have the capability to make San Jose's first Cup Champion.

The Sharks could be that Champion.

CBJSprague24 posted:

Ovie still is fun and good as his side of the story was equally entertaining and that's avatar material for somebody in CapsAS:

https://twitter.com/russianmachine/status/968340707088977921

Ovie's reached that age at which Russian men begin to look like they're drunk all the time, even when they're not. Although he might be.

a false
Mar 5, 2009

I DECIDE
WHO LIVES
AND WHO DIES

hifi posted:

nobody's eliminated right now, for example

hell, florida isn't mathematically eliminated from winning the presidents trophy

hifi
Jul 25, 2012

actually apparently the coyotes can be eliminated with one more not-win, so a historically bad team will be eliminated with 63 games.

glynnenstein
Feb 18, 2014


Rotten Cookies posted:

Dumb Idea alert:

What if draft position (for non-playoff teams) was decided by the number of points a team gets after being mathematically eliminated from playoffs? Instead of straight up tanking, you'd have to sandbag then go on a tear to get a good draft position. Players probably don't like it much when fans cheer for a loss, or having people talk about a tank. And a terrible start to a season could be salvaged if you go off. Also, you can still make trades after the deadline, right? It's just that the players aren't playoff eligible? The idea of a bad team trading for like, EK, to get a better shot at someone like McDavid, would be hilarious.

Anyway, dumb idea, but I thought it was fun. Also 3 pt regulation wins would be nice, but whatevs.

This is actually a good idea that has been floated for a long time. It's known as the Gold plan.

Ginette Reno
Nov 18, 2006

How Doers get more done
Fun Shoe
Murray has been diagnosed with a concussion. Hopefully Jarry/Desmith can re-discover the form they had earlier in the year or there's gonna be a lot of hilarious 6-5 games down the stretch here.

On the plus side Big Brass balls is playin' tonight.

Jamwad Hilder
Apr 18, 2007

surfin usa
Bergeron has a fractured foot and will be reevaluated in two weeks. Worried what this could mean for Boston's playoff hopes. Detroit and Florida are a mere 20 points behind them for third in the Atlantic.

Rotten Cookies
Nov 11, 2008

gosh! i like both the islanders and the rangers!!! :^)

Eh, fair enough. Not having much time between elimination and the end of season doesn't give a lot of meaningful action. Not as much of a race as I'd imagined. I guess it sounded better in my head. TBF I did give a dumb idea alert.



glynnenstein posted:

This is actually a good idea that has been floated for a long time. It's known as the Gold plan.

Cool that it's been kicked around before, though!

Pornographic Memory
Dec 17, 2008

a false posted:

hell, florida isn't mathematically eliminated from winning the presidents trophy

I think the first teams were only mathematically eliminated from president's trophy contention last week.

Gunjin
Apr 27, 2004

Om nom nom
Fire Trotz.

ElwoodCuse
Jan 11, 2004

we're puttin' the band back together
If the point of the draft is to redistribute new talent to the worst teams, there shouldn't even be a lottery let alone some wacky scheme to actually win a high draft pick.

Or is a draft really about controlling player agency.

Thufir
May 19, 2004

"The fucking Mayans were right."
Abolish the draft, abolish entry-level contract limits and restricted free agency, keep the hard cap and contract number limits, let chaos reign.

Aphrodite
Jun 27, 2006

Those 23 teams will be missed.

Some more than others.

heehee
Sep 5, 2012

haha wow i cant believe how lucky we got to win :D

Rotten Cookies posted:

Dumb Idea alert:

What if draft position (for non-playoff teams) was decided by the number of points a team gets after being mathematically eliminated from playoffs? Instead of straight up tanking, you'd have to sandbag then go on a tear to get a good draft position. Players probably don't like it much when fans cheer for a loss, or having people talk about a tank. And a terrible start to a season could be salvaged if you go off. Also, you can still make trades after the deadline, right? It's just that the players aren't playoff eligible? The idea of a bad team trading for like, EK, to get a better shot at someone like McDavid, would be hilarious.

Anyway, dumb idea, but I thought it was fun. Also 3 pt regulation wins would be nice, but whatevs.

E: didn’t realize there was another page lol

Pornographic Memory
Dec 17, 2008
https://mobile.twitter.com/SWernerPG/status/968510957436665856

:toot:

a false
Mar 5, 2009

I DECIDE
WHO LIVES
AND WHO DIES

ElwoodCuse posted:

If the point of the draft is to redistribute new talent to the worst teams, there shouldn't even be a lottery let alone some wacky scheme to actually win a high draft pick.

Or is a draft really about controlling player agency.

it's about both, but having a draft lottery is definitely good considering the way that the nhl draft usually lines up (one or two world class, no doubt talents at the top and much more guesswork beyond that). it's good, for example, that while a team can guarantee themselves a high pick, they can't guarantee themselves connor mcdavid

Wamsutta
Sep 9, 2001

Thufir posted:

Abolish the draft, abolish entry-level contract limits and restricted free agency, keep the hard cap and contract number limits, let chaos reign.

Sieze the means of (goal) production

Rotten Cookies
Nov 11, 2008

gosh! i like both the islanders and the rangers!!! :^)

ElwoodCuse posted:

If the point of the draft is to redistribute new talent to the worst teams, there shouldn't even be a lottery let alone some wacky scheme to actually win a high draft pick.

Or is a draft really about controlling player agency.

Eh, I think it's more like wanting a draft that rewards bad teams that want to be good? Teams with a straight up tank job aren't that fun. At least with a wacky scheme, even a bad team is competing for wins. I guess it lessens the likelihood of fans cheering a loss.

I dunno man

EDIT: Maybe this ties into that thread in SAS from a while ago all about league parity and stuff

Thufir
May 19, 2004

"The fucking Mayans were right."

Aphrodite posted:

Those 23 teams will be missed.

Some more than others.

Keep the cap and it would be fine, plus it's the right thing to do.

bewbies
Sep 23, 2003

Fun Shoe

Thufir posted:

Keep the cap and it would be fine, plus it's the right thing to do.

you do not understand - sports cannot exist without a draft

a false
Mar 5, 2009

I DECIDE
WHO LIVES
AND WHO DIES
here's my take of the day: the edmonton oilers, despite getting very lucky with the draft lottery, actually got pretty unlucky within those parameters by having two of their lottery wins in 2011 and 2012 where they were basically locked into a pick that was never going to pan out into a foundational player. there wasn't a single other team in the league that would have picked anyone other than RNH or yakupov first overall in either of those drafts.

this is of course not to say that there wasn't gross mismanagement elsewhere that's contributed to the oilers being a bad team despite all their firsts

ThinkTank
Oct 23, 2007

a false posted:

the thing is with the parity in the league mathematical eliminations don't start to happen until very close to the end of the season

It also encourages teams to start tanking earlier in the season to get eliminated first, because the first team out of the playoffs would likely pick up the most points simply by having the most games left in their schedule.

Ginette Reno
Nov 18, 2006

How Doers get more done
Fun Shoe
A sight sure to make RAS puke:

romanowski
Nov 10, 2012

Mind_Taker posted:

lol Christian "best possession player on the Capitals" Djoos is scratched tonight and Brooks "literally the worst possession defenseman in the NHL" Orpik is still in.

I hope Ottawa shithouses them tonight.

I would hope that back to back blowout losses would help facilitate a coaching change but I know that I shouldn't get my hopes up over literally anything

Matt Zerella
Oct 7, 2002

Norris'es are back baby. It's good again. Awoouu (fox Howl)

Ginette Reno posted:

A sight sure to make RAS puke:



We've already dealt with this with Hagelin.

Mind_Taker
May 7, 2007



romanowski posted:

I would hope that back to back blowout losses would help facilitate a coaching change but I know that I shouldn't get my hopes up over literally anything

It would be the perfect time. They are off until Saturday's stupid outdoor game which would give a new coach at least a few practices before a game.

I hate rooting against my team but it seems like it may be for the best to have them get booed off the ice after losing to one of the worst teams in the league to hopefully facilitate a coaching change. Though I do hope Ovie socks a few dingers.

Good Soldier Svejk
Jul 5, 2010

Matt Zerella posted:

We've already dealt with this with Hagelin.

Yeah, I mean at least Hagelin was team grown. If anything, it's the Jackets who should be feeling the pangs.

Ginette Reno
Nov 18, 2006

How Doers get more done
Fun Shoe

Matt Zerella posted:

We've already dealt with this with Hagelin.

Next TDL we're gonna get your hobbit too :getin:.

Good Soldier Svejk posted:

Yeah, I mean at least Hagelin was team grown. If anything, it's the Jackets who should be feeling the pangs.

He never even made the playoffs as a Jacket. I'd say his rep is mostly as a Ranger at this point.

Brodeurs Nanny
Nov 2, 2006

It's odd being prepared for the Devils to make the playoffs. If they wind up playing the Flyers or the Capitals, I think those are winnable series, although more likely is a first round exit.

I just see them pretty poised to make a big jump next year with their kids a year older and tons of cap space to try and add an impact defenseman.

ElwoodCuse
Jan 11, 2004

we're puttin' the band back together

bewbies posted:

you do not understand - sports cannot exist without a draft

Baseball and hockey didn't have drafts until the 1960s. This is patently ridiculous.

Also who cares if a team can "guarantee" themselves Connor McDavid, because there is zero guarantee Connor McDavid, or anyone, will actually be good

glynnenstein
Feb 18, 2014


I would love to sit down with Trotz and just honestly discuss why he makes the decisions he does.

Who would you bench, SAS?

https://twitter.com/Stringhama/status/968528220424409088

Ginette Reno
Nov 18, 2006

How Doers get more done
Fun Shoe

Brodeurs Nanny posted:

It's odd being prepared for the Devils to make the playoffs. If they wind up playing the Flyers or the Capitals, I think those are winnable series, although more likely is a first round exit.

I just see them pretty poised to make a big jump next year with their kids a year older and tons of cap space to try and add an impact defenseman.

They could beat the Pens tbh. They have a ton of team speed and discipline. They occasionally give the Pens fits because of that. I wouldn't bet on them beating them but it'd be one of those upsets where I wouldn't be terribly surprised to see it happen.

Aphrodite
Jun 27, 2006

Thufir posted:

Keep the cap and it would be fine, plus it's the right thing to do.

Ain't nobody going to Calgary to see top player Tyler Toffoli.

Levitate
Sep 30, 2005

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YOU'VE GOT A LAFRENIÈRE IN ME

a false posted:

here's my take of the day: the edmonton oilers, despite getting very lucky with the draft lottery, actually got pretty unlucky within those parameters by having two of their lottery wins in 2011 and 2012 where they were basically locked into a pick that was never going to pan out into a foundational player. there wasn't a single other team in the league that would have picked anyone other than RNH or yakupov first overall in either of those drafts.

this is of course not to say that there wasn't gross mismanagement elsewhere that's contributed to the oilers being a bad team despite all their firsts

yeah they also drafted like absolute poo poo outside of their top picks which means they never built up much cheap depth

And wtf, when did the Caps become the Rangers of old

Spring Break My Heart
Feb 15, 2012
Now there's a bunch of reports that Karlsson will just sign a long term extension with the Senators

Call Your Grandma
Jan 17, 2010

Islanders fans have figured out that Snow rhymes with Lowe:

https://twitter.com/SP19hockey/status/968282367638097923

I know that Snow isn't a very good GM, but NYI's problems are 99% ownership, no?

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hifi
Jul 25, 2012

a false posted:

here's my take of the day: the edmonton oilers, despite getting very lucky with the draft lottery, actually got pretty unlucky within those parameters by having two of their lottery wins in 2011 and 2012 where they were basically locked into a pick that was never going to pan out into a foundational player. there wasn't a single other team in the league that would have picked anyone other than RNH or yakupov first overall in either of those drafts.

this is of course not to say that there wasn't gross mismanagement elsewhere that's contributed to the oilers being a bad team despite all their firsts

people said that about this draft with hischier/patrick and the problem is, i'd rather have those guys than whoever the coyotes got.

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