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King Burgundy posted:Nope. Because despite him posting nothing, he is lower on suspicion lists than I am. When the reason people are suspicious of me is lurking, that doesn't actually jive as a real opinion. However, since so many of you have it, you can't all be scum. In fairness, only my first game with the new meta, I'll see how this plays out after multiple before adjusting further, as I'd rather not become what I hate just to prove a point. Nobody is making you do anything. Do you think Mr F should be voted today?
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Tolly Totes posted:Mostly my thing with Lumpen is trying to figure out if all these stiff yet inconsistent maxims he follows and tries to badger others into following are like, a real thing Once upon a time, a carpenter was at his workshop. A young person approached and said "I have come from far away to be your apprentice." The carpenter, smiling, held up a screwdriver and said "This is a hammer. You must put these nails into the coffin." The carpenter watched the newcomer struggle and bang earnestly until the floor and sides of the coffin were constructed using the handle of the screwdriver. Wiping away brow-sweat, the newcomer said "I have done as you asked, but this is not a hammer and you're not a carpenter, you're an imposter!". The carpenter smashed the young person's head in with an actual hammer. The carpenter quickly nailed down the lid of the coffin and clapped his hands in satisfaction.
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Feb 27, 2018 18:08
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King Burgundy posted:Content lurking would be only poo poo posting/flavor posting/game discussion. As the inventor of the term content lurking, I must disagree, Kingo. Getting your alignment opinions, without explanation whatsoever for how they are formed, is an avoidance of content. We need more than just your vote; we need your reasoning behind the vote. The reasoning behind the vote is the content.
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Feb 27, 2018 18:11
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Tolly Totes posted:Nobody is making you do anything. I'm always down for a lurker cuddle, yes. Especially in a game with no anti lurker rules. But there are also several other good choices.
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Feb 27, 2018 18:12
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King Burgundy posted:I'm always down for a lurker cuddle, yes. I just want to know if your frequent mentions of Mr. F are you pushing for a vote on him or just some whataboutism King Burgundy posted:Especially in a game with no anti lurker rules. But there are also several other good choices.
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Feb 27, 2018 18:16
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sentimental snail posted:I'm gonna try an experiment Can't tell if buddying or genuine. I know I've pushed you hard when you were town (and I think the cop?) So I'll freely admit that I have trouble reading you. I certainly don't have a strong town read on you, though. I like Dead Cow for scum better. She's been flying under everyone's radar while maintaining a presence in the thread, and the only defense thrown out there is a weak meta. If she were town if have expected scum to be all over her as any easy mislynch. Right now the only ones interested in her are me (town) and MMT (highly improbable scum). That by itself is a bad reason to vote her, but it supports the scum case where she has no hard opinions/votes.
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Feb 27, 2018 18:16
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merk posted:As the inventor of the term content lurking, I must disagree, Kingo. Getting your alignment opinions, without explanation whatsoever for how they are formed, is an avoidance of content. We need more than just your vote; we need your reasoning behind the vote. I'm approaching my arbitrary self imposed post limit, so going to cut this discussion off and debate it with you after game. But how do you explain your lack of thinking Mr F is scum for the same reasons then? By not posting at all he has somehow escaped your notice? This is part of why I'm doing this. The community as a whole ignores these posters who aren't even trying in favor of those who do. Feel free to not respond to this and just think about it. As I won't continue until post game.
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Feb 27, 2018 18:17
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Tobbs Gnawed posted:Can't tell if buddying or genuine. I know I've pushed you hard when you were town (and I think the cop?) So I'll freely admit that I have trouble reading you. I certainly don't have a strong town read on you, though. Mafia edit
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Feb 27, 2018 18:17
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Tolly Totes posted:I just want to know if your frequent mentions of Mr. F are you pushing for a vote on him or just some whataboutism I paused catching up on the thread to talk in real time, so here are my last thoughts on the matter: King Burgundy posted:Strongest gut call still on AS, I can also see what Tobbs is saying on Stickup and would vote(although it makes me feel bad since he stuck up for me). During my read this morning so far, I've also noticed Gridlock'd.
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Feb 27, 2018 18:20
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KB is wasting a lot of his precious selfimposed word limit excusing himself and heaping scorn on lurking and Mr. F but not putting his vote where his mouth is and voting Mr. F I am nothing special, but I would happily support ridding the game of a lurker today, be it KB, Mr. F, or Hal.
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Feb 27, 2018 18:25
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Feb 27, 2018 18:28
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Lumpen posted:KB is wasting a lot of his precious selfimposed word limit excusing himself and heaping scorn on lurking and Mr. F but not putting his vote where his mouth is and voting Mr. F Did you forget flerp
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Feb 27, 2018 18:30
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Tobbs Gnawed posted:Did you forget flerp Yes. flerp too.
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Feb 27, 2018 18:38
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King Burgundy posted:I'm approaching my arbitrary self imposed post limit, so going to cut this discussion off and debate it with you after game. But how do you explain your lack of thinking Mr F is scum for the same reasons then? By not posting at all he has somehow escaped your notice? This is part of why I'm doing this. The community as a whole ignores these posters who aren't even trying in favor of those who do. Feel free to not respond to this and just think about it. As I won't continue until post game. He has two posts, friend. I have no idea about anything with his alignment. I expect he gets replaced. Alternatively, you are here and not telling us anything about alignment. ##vote KB
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Feb 27, 2018 18:39
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sentimental snail posted:I think there are more relevant options for the day Can you remind us who they are? Who are your top picks? You still think RF is the best choice?
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Feb 27, 2018 18:40
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Tobbs Gnawed posted:Can't tell if buddying or genuine. I know I've pushed you hard when you were town (and I think the cop?) So I'll freely admit that I have trouble reading you. I certainly don't have a strong town read on you, though. a good reply. thanks tobbs! I will read dead cow as I can
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Feb 27, 2018 18:45
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King, what is your post limit?
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Feb 27, 2018 18:50
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Tolly Totes posted:King, what is your post limit? It's arbitrary and self-imposed.
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Feb 27, 2018 18:51
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I humbly submit, If KB is Scum, he's certainly seeming like it. Scumposts, lurking, self-conscious non-Scumhunting. Mostly talking about himself and stuff not related to finding Scum in this game. Self-imposed "posting limit" excuses. If KB is Town, he can and should do better, and being lynched D1 for lurking will hopefully keep him from "turning into what he hates" in the future. If you're not going to play, don't sign up. Hal and Mr F included. The last thing we need is more people falling to that dark side. I think he's probably Scum though and his cover story of new meta is a convenient smokescreen. ##Vote KB
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Feb 27, 2018 18:58
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Caught up. I'd like to vote any of the following: AS, Stickup, Mr. F, Gridlock'd, Cow. Won't vote MMT/Quid/RF/Hiip/Lumpen/Merk today. (sorry MMT, want to see what happens with PR's tomorrow before making a call on those two) For Tolly: I plan to stay in the bottom half of posters, so currently 9 more posts. Some of which will undoubtedly be vote changes as we approach deadline.
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Feb 27, 2018 18:59
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Lumpen posted:I humbly submit, Nah. We have a lot of similar reads, he's likely town (or has a role that lets him play his town game). How do your lumpen lists line up, now that he's essentially posted his?
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Feb 27, 2018 19:05
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Tobbs Gnawed posted:Nah. We have a lot of similar reads, he's likely town (or has a role that lets him play his town game). How do your lumpen lists line up, now that he's essentially posted his? We agree on who's Town (easy and probably right) but his list of Scum didn't match my suspects except AS. He has bitched so much about Mr. F lurking but I note he hasn't mentioned flerp.
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Feb 27, 2018 19:11
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King Burgundy posted:Not fully caught up, but know that the number of people that think I'm suspicious for lurking but are giving Mr. F a pass is hilarious to me. I guess my new meta should be not posting at all in future games? You are trying to turn me into what I hate most and it is really really funny. I've explained before: I'm not giving Mr. F a pass, but a lack of content isn't as bad as very little but actively malicious content. The fact that you haven't justified your votes other than "gut reads" is scummy (I'm not saying you are scum, just that you might be), and if you are scum, then that falls under "actively malicious".
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Feb 27, 2018 19:11
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Nobody with more than 2 votes, but I think it will be interesting to see where it goes from here.
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Feb 27, 2018 19:13
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King Burgundy posted:Caught up. I'd like to vote any of the following: AS, Stickup, Mr. F, Gridlock'd, Cow. Won't vote MMT/Quid/RF/Hiip/Lumpen/Merk today. (sorry MMT, want to see what happens with PR's tomorrow before making a call on those two) But... why? Lumpen posted:I humbly submit, Yikes
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Feb 27, 2018 19:16
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Really got a bad feeling from Lumpen listing a reason why voting a town person could be good.
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Feb 27, 2018 19:17
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Tolly Totes posted:But... why? He is salty about FF7. He had much higher engagement in thread than a lot of other posters, but got called out for low engagement.
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Feb 27, 2018 19:19
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Tolly Totes posted:Really got a bad feeling from Lumpen listing a reason why voting a town person could be good. Agreed, it's a terrifyingly bad vote considering the level of engagement of flerp and Mr. F, for example.
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Feb 27, 2018 19:20
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Tolly Totes posted:Really got a bad feeling from Lumpen listing a reason why voting a town person could be good. Lynching All Lurkers is a good strategy for Town, regardless of the alignment of lurkers. I believe KB is a Scum lurker in this game. Once again Tolly, who are your suspects, for the record?
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Feb 27, 2018 19:20
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King Burgundy posted:I'm approaching my arbitrary self imposed post limit, so going to cut this discussion off and debate it with you after game. But how do you explain your lack of thinking Mr F is scum for the same reasons then? By not posting at all he has somehow escaped your notice? This is part of why I'm doing this. The community as a whole ignores these posters who aren't even trying in favor of those who do. Feel free to not respond to this and just think about it. As I won't continue until post game. OK. I get your reasoning, that's potentially fine. But it, by now, also feels scummy that you are still failing to understand that no-one is arguing that Mr. F isn't scummy. We just don't know anything about him. Had you had the same amount of posts you have now, but had I read them and thought "hey these posts are contributing", I wouldn't say you are scummier than him. I'm saying you are scummy because of the combination of low post-count and those posts seeming scummy. I'm sure a time will come, and it's likely to be very soon (probably D2) where I, and other people, will run out of patience and will vote out extremely slow posters like Mr. F and flerp (whose allignment we know nothing about, other than the fact that lurking is scummy), over people we actively think are even scummier. For now, I (and other people) deem that they are not yet such a major threat. There is furthermore a case to be made that specifically now, at the start of the game when we don't have any information, the lynching of a high-activity person may be useful (even if lurkers are bad), because post-flip we can get more information from examining their past behaviour (and note that I'm not saying you're high-activity, just higher than Mr.F and flerp). Lynching the lurkers may be better long term, but lynching someone we can learn something from is better right now.
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Feb 27, 2018 19:24
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Seems people are really pushing for you KB. Happy to confirm your N0 if you think it helps.
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Feb 27, 2018 19:27
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Lumpen posted:I suck but, My point wasn't that you targeted King, but that you gave an argument to vote him regardless of his alignment.
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Feb 27, 2018 19:27
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Tobbs Gnawed posted:Seems people are really pushing for you KB. Wait what now, have I missed this? I'm not asking you to reveal more, has this been brought up before by either you or KB?
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Feb 27, 2018 19:29
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Dancer posted:Wait what now, have I missed this? I'm not asking you to reveal more, has this been brought up before by either you or KB? Not gonna out it explicitly if he'd prefer it stay a secret, but he targeted me with an innocuous ability N0.
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Feb 27, 2018 19:32
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Tobbs Gnawed posted:Agreed, it's a terrifyingly bad vote considering the level of engagement of flerp and Mr. F, for example.
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Feb 27, 2018 19:33
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Tolly Totes posted:My point wasn't that you targeted King, but that you gave an argument to vote him regardless of his alignment. Intrigued by Tobbs' claim though.
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Feb 27, 2018 19:35
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Tolly Totes posted:My point wasn't that you targeted King, but that you gave an argument to vote him regardless of his alignment. This is super normal for lumpen, absolute null tell.
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Ok, I've been earnest about the difficult time I've had reading people this game. I started reading people, put down my opinion on AA, but I feel like it wasn't quite enough for me to vote on. I don't think it's scummy to hold off on a vote until I have a bit more certainty. Otherwise I'd just be playing Eenie meenie miney scum, and sticking votes random places. Or some sort of I Spy with my little eye, something that is Scummy! VOTE. I'm really trying to analyze and get a good vote down rather than just hopping around on whatever the scumlord of the moment is.
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Lumpen posted:We have less than 6 hours and neither MrF or flerp have a single vote on them. I'll lynch any viable lurker on any D1 in the absense of a solid case. I don't have much more than gut on anybody so removing a lurker sounds great. KB or flerp I prefer over Mr. F or Hal because they are playing the lovely way they play. I literally just posted the votecount showing that nobody has more than 2 votes. Everyone playing is a viable lynch candidate at this point. Are you scum, lumpen?
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Dancer posted:Decent, hardworking hosts: Before I leave my computer and quoting becomes annoying (I'll try to still be here on phone), here's my tier list from earlier, with alterations, and it should now have everyone on it. My current vote is on snail, with AS being my next in line... and I'm not sure anymore about the third place (it used to be KB, but Tobbs' thing changes my view at least a little). I will probably vote for the first person in the bottom two tiers who hits 6 votes (unless debate is still very active, which I strongly doubt it will be).
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