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Combat Pretzel posted:

Some none ugly rear end gently caress mainboards would be swell.

But mobo makers then can't $100+ extra for like $5 more in ugly BoM cost

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KKKLIP ART: Sep 3, 2004

Are there ravin ridge boards like that crazy Atom board from asrock that is ITX and has like 10 SATA ports?

# ? Feb 23, 2018 18:22

Paul MaudDib: May 3, 2006; TEAM NVIDIA:
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KKKLIP ART posted:

Are there ravin ridge boards like that crazy Atom board from asrock that is ITX and has like 10 SATA ports?

No, you'd need to use an expansion card. In general, mobo companies have not brought their A-game with AM4, particularly in the smaller form-factors (mITX and mATX). A lot of them are terrible, like doubled 3-phase type stuff, and they haven't done much of the specialty stuff.

I hope there are some Banded Kestrel mITX boards, and I'd love to see one with an extra onboard SATA controller for NAS usage.

On the Intel side there's the C2750D4i from the last gen, and for current-gen there's the SuperMicro A2SDi-H-TP4F, which is just nuts (quad 10 GbE, ECC RDIMM support, 12 SATA ports, and performs at R5 1600-ish levels). Denverton's capabilities are really in a class of its own as far as low-power processors. Banded Kestrel won't remotely approach that, however, it's a much simpler/cheaper product. I'd expect something more in the C2750 performance level from Banded Kestrel.

Paul MaudDib fucked around with this message at 20:05 on Feb 23, 2018

# ? Feb 23, 2018 18:29

Craptacular!: Jul 9, 2001; Fuck the DH

Combat Pretzel posted:

Some none ugly rear end gently caress mainboards would be swell.

There has never been such a thing. NZXT is making motherboards for people who want their computers to look like they came from IKEA.

# ? Feb 23, 2018 22:01

SwissArmyDruid: Feb 14, 2014; by sebmojo

which is fine, except that the motherboards they're selling are rebranded ECS motherboards.

No loving thank YOU, NZXT. You picked the motherboard manufacturer with the WORST reputation of all to work with, surely that will end well.

# ? Feb 23, 2018 22:28

EmpyreanFlux: Mar 1, 2013; The AUDACITY! The IMPUDENCE! The unabated NERVE!

Scarping the bottom of the barrel, NZXT finds Jetway and Biostar leering back at them. "Is this deep enough yet boss?"

"No, go deeper still."

# ? Feb 23, 2018 22:39

NIGARS: Sep 12, 2004; yeah nigars

"PC Chips it is."

# ? Feb 23, 2018 22:49

Rastor: Jun 2, 2001

Am I the only goon that has always had good experiences with ECS

# ? Feb 23, 2018 23:33

Paul MaudDib: May 3, 2006; TEAM NVIDIA:
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So far I've been unable to get my Liva X to boot to Linux from the onboard eMMC, but apparently it'll work with mSATA drives. I lost my packet of mSATA screws and they mailed me a couple more for free. So a little from column A, a little from column B.

# ? Feb 23, 2018 23:37

Cygni: Nov 12, 2005; raring to post

Rastor posted:

Am I the only goon that has always had good experiences with ECS

i probably bought 50 K7S5A's over the years to build computers for friends/family. good rear end board. i would go as far as to say the 2nd most legendary motherboard behind only the BH6.

# ? Feb 23, 2018 23:49

SwissArmyDruid: Feb 14, 2014; by sebmojo

I would unironically use a Biostar X370GTN (that's their mITX board) if I had to slap together a cheapo HTPC long before I would touch an ECS in any shape, size, or configuration.

# ? Feb 23, 2018 23:56

redeyes: Sep 14, 2002; by Fluffdaddy

NIGARS posted:

"PC Chips it is."

I haven't heard that name in a long time. I do remember other shops selling those mobos too. Thing is, even back then PC Chips was the lowest of the low.

# ? Feb 23, 2018 23:59

8-bit Miniboss: May 24, 2005; CORPO COPS CAME FOR MY

Rastor posted:

Am I the only goon that has always had good experiences with ECS

As someone that worked at a returns counter for Fry's Electronics while some bad poo poo was happening and boy let me tell you how bad those boards were.

# ? Feb 24, 2018 00:52

SwissArmyDruid: Feb 14, 2014; by sebmojo

8-bit Miniboss posted:

As someone that worked at a returns counter for Fry's Electronics while some bad poo poo was happening and boy let me tell you how bad those boards were.

Because paywalls are dumb:

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A one-time computer salesman who rose through the ranks to help build Fry�s Electronics into a robust retailer is facing allegations that he defrauded the San Jose company out of $65 million, much of which he used to pay off enormous gambling debts in Las Vegas.

Ausaf Umar Siddiqui, 42, who goes by �Omar� and was Fry�s vice president of merchandising and operations, appeared Monday in federal court, where prosecutors filed a complaint alleging he masterminded a �secret kickback scheme to defraud Fry�s Electronics of millions of dollars.�

Fry�s executives didn�t know about the illegal kickbacks, the federal complaint states. After 20 years with the company, Siddiqui was fired Monday.

Siddiqui was known around the office for driving fast cars, carrying wads of $100 bills in his pocket and boisterously rooting during sports events he watched on the four TV screens in his office. He spent $162 million in three years at the MGM Grand Casino and Las Vegas Sands Casino, according to his bank statements detailed in the complaint written by IRS Agent Andres Gonzalez.

The suspected scheme occurred from 2005 until mid-October when a high-level Fry�s employee walked into Siddiqui�s office at 600 E. Brokaw Road and saw confidential spreadsheets, letters and extraordinarily high commission amounts on Siddiqui�s desk.

Siddiqui is expected to be formally charged with money-laundering and wire fraud in U.S. District Court on Jan. 15.

According to the complaint, which was unsealed Monday, Siddiqui made �secret, backroom sales contracts to vendors, and in return, vendors gave him a kickback.�

He convinced Fry�s that the company should eliminate sales representatives on his accounts, and instead, he would act as a middleman between vendors and Fry�s. He promised that he would save the company a lot of money that way. But instead, the complaint alleges, he ended up charging exorbitant commissions � up to 31 percent, or ten times the usual amount � to the vendors, which he funneled to his own straw company, PC International.

�It was his responsibility to find Fry�s the best price,� said IRS spokeswoman Arlette Lee. �He was allegedly causing Fry�s to overpay millions on merchandise.� None of the vendors are household names.

Those vendors were guaranteed business, so Siddiqui would have a steady cash flow to pay off casinos, the complaint alleges.

One of the vendors, Phoebe Micro of Fremont, insisted the company was victimized by Siddiqui.

�He was claiming himself as one of the owners of Fry�s Electronics,� said Peter Lui, Phoebe Micro�s general manager. Siddiqui asked Phoebe to pay a �high marketing fee� so Fry�s would prominently display Phoebe�s products � mostly household wireless routers � in Fry�s newspaper ads and in stores.

�We paid him millions of dollars� in such marketing fees over the past two or three years, Lui said, and didn�t realize there was anything wrong with the arrangement. The payments seemed worthwhile �because we were continually seeing our product being promoted heavily from Fry�s.�

Something obviously seemed wrong to the employee who saw the documents on Siddiqui�s desk and called the IRS. Friday, federal agents swarmed Fry�s corporate headquarters and stunned co-workers watched as Siddiqui was arrested and taken away in handcuffs.

The reaction of employees and management to Siddiqui�s arrest �is one of surprise and shock � and that�s an understatement,� said Fry�s spokesman Manuel Valerio.

He made it clear, however, that although �Mr. Siddiqui may have prospered, neither Fry�s nor Fry�s customers were damaged by this.� He said Siddiqui�s actions didn�t result in higher prices for Fry�s customers.

In court Monday, a serious and clean-shaven Siddiqui appeared worried. He stood mostly silent, wearing the standard bright orange shirt of the Santa Clara County Jail, where he was held over the weekend. Through his criminal attorney, Sam Polverino, he declined to comment.

U.S. District Court Judge Richard Seeborg altered Siddiqui�s no-bail conditions Monday, allowing him to post $300,000 bond and be monitored with an electronic bracelet. The judge also ordered Siddiqui to stay away from Las Vegas, and was assured through Siddiqui�s attorneys that he wouldn�t fly there on the Fry�s corporate jet, or casino jets, which he apparently has done before.

�I know you do a great deal of travel to Las Vegas,� Seeborg said. �That�s not allowed anymore. Nevada is off-limits.�

Before reducing the bail, Assistant U.S. Attorney Thomas Moore and defense attorneys discussed how much Siddiqui is worth, revealing that he owns a $1 million Palo Alto condominium and a Ferrari.

A woman who appeared in court on Siddiqui�s behalf declined to comment. During the court hearing, conversations in court also revealed that Siddiqui has no close family; he is estranged from his siblings and his parents are deceased. He has no wife or children, and according to his civil attorney, who appeared as a �friend of the court,� Siddiqui has several casinos after him to pay off gambling debts.

How much does he owe the casinos?

�I don�t know the answer to that question,� said Eric Sidebotham, an attorney who represents clients facing collections. �It�s very complex.�

MGM Grand Casino refused to comment Monday, and Sands Casino didn�t respond to interview requests.

In general, Sidebotham said he has seen too many �very successful men, single, middle-age fall into a gambling addiction trap. They just get in and they can�t get out.�

According to the criminal complaint, Siddiqui began working at Fry�s Electronics in 1988, three years after the company was founded. He landed in one of the top positions of Fry�s management, after working his way up from salesman, to department manager, to director of advertising to vice president of merchandising in 2003, where he was responsible for all of Fry�s purchasing, and supervised 120 employees. He earned an annual salary of $225,000 at Fry�s, which has 34 retail stores nationwide and was listed in Forbes magazine in 2007 as having 14,000 employees and generating a revenue of $2.35 billion.

While Siddiqui was friendly with Fry�s owners John, David and Randy Fry, �they were not golfing buddies,� Valerio said.

In addition to Phoebe Micro, Siddiqui also worked with Lead Data International, U.S. Media Technologies and Elite Group Computer Systems. The companies sell a variety of computer equipment, wireless cards and Internet cameras. Some of the correspondence between the companies and Siddiqui was discovered on his desk when the Fry�s informant saw it, and other documentation was discovered in Siddiqui�s trash Nov. 24.

A company spokeswoman at Lead Data in Cerritos, which sells digital photo frames and portable media players, said �everything is done legally and everything is done by the book� at her company. She didn�t give her full name, and said she wasn�t allowed to give any further information.

Lee, the IRS spokeswoman, wouldn�t comment specifically on whether or not the vendors acted illegally, but she did say: �In a typical case, we�d make contact with anyone who is alleged to be involved. We�re going to want to talk to them to see what they know.�

Mercury News staff writers Julia Prodis Sulek, Steve Johnson, Mark Gomez and researcher Diana Stickler contributed to this report. Contact Lisa Fernandez at lfernandez@mercurynews.com or (408) 920-5002.

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Palladium: May 8, 2012; Very Good
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Why are these fraudsters are always too smart and too dumb at the same time

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pixaal: Jan 8, 2004; All ice cream is now for all beings, no matter how many legs.

Palladium posted:

Why are these fraudsters are always too smart and too dumb at the same time

They have a problem (gambling debt) find a way out of it (skimming money) say they aren't going to keep doing it so they don't need an exit plan. The money is too good so they keep doing it since no one even said boo. Years pass, they forget they are doing anything wrong and they get caught. In their mind they got away with it long ago and this is normal. That's when it all goes wrong.

# ? Feb 24, 2018 02:22

Potato Salad: Oct 23, 2014; nobody cares

Everything this Fry's guy did, except he's a banker selling securities products and nobody in law enforcement in the US cares

# ? Feb 24, 2018 03:35

HalloKitty: Sep 30, 2005; Adjust the bass and let the Alpine blast

NIGARS posted:

"PC Chips it is."

Ah, the classiest of them all, with their fake cache chips 'n' all.
But didn't they get bought out by ECS?

# ? Feb 24, 2018 09:12

Theris: Oct 9, 2007

HalloKitty posted:

Ah, the classiest of them all, with their fake cache chips 'n' all.
But didn't they get bought out by ECS?

IIRC, PC Chips bought ECS and took the name.

I had a K7S5A and it was great, but I get the impression that the K7S5A was a huge fluke and they've never made a board anywhere near that good before or since.

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Combat Pretzel: Jun 23, 2004; No, seriously... what kurds?!

Craptacular! posted:

There has never been such a thing. NZXT is making motherboards for people who want their computers to look like they came from IKEA.

I wouldn't mind gaudy mainboards, if there were decent window-less cases. But we can't have that poo poo either. loving PCMR crowd.

# ? Feb 24, 2018 21:51

SwissArmyDruid: Feb 14, 2014; by sebmojo

Combat Pretzel posted:

I wouldn't mind gaudy mainboards, if there were decent window-less cases. But we can't have that poo poo either. loving PCMR crowd.

Sure there are, you just need to come with me, to the magical land... of Sweden. Seriously, Fractal Design sells plenty of cases with non-windowed panels. Just get ones that don't have TG or Window in the name.

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HalloKitty: Sep 30, 2005; Adjust the bass and let the Alpine blast

Fractal Design is the answer to most case-related questions, honestly.

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gourdcaptain: Nov 16, 2012

HalloKitty posted:

Fractal Design is the answer to most case-related questions, honestly.

I'd agree if mine didn't have a useless door on the front that I can't shut without blocking all the fans and open keeps me from sticking it in the cubby on my desk for a computer. ...I may be mildly still annoyed over the front of the case spontaneously popping off when I tilted it slightly to get at the back to plug in HDMI recently and unplugging a bunch of cables that were a pain to reinstall, although that's partially on ASUS for the insanely short USB header cables.

# ? Feb 24, 2018 22:32

HalloKitty: Sep 30, 2005; Adjust the bass and let the Alpine blast

gourdcaptain posted:

I'd agree if mine didn't have a useless door on the front that I can't shut without blocking all the fans

I don't know which case you have, but it most likely has intakes on the sides of the front bezel where air is drawn in. The door is to remove a direct path for the sound, the foam to dampen higher frequencies

HalloKitty fucked around with this message at 22:42 on Feb 24, 2018

# ? Feb 24, 2018 22:38

Anarchist Mae: Nov 5, 2009; by Reene; Lipstick Apathy

I measured my Define S with the front of the case on and off under mprime and the overall difference was about 1-2C.

# ? Feb 24, 2018 22:41

Obsurveyor: Jan 10, 2003

Antec Gaming Series One is alright, though I wish it had some 2.5" bays. Just built a machine for work with one. You can easily route all your cables behind the motherboard for a nice clean setup, plenty of places for zip ties to lock stuff down. The Corsair Carbide is nice if you just want a desktop monolith(I use this one at home) with the same behind the motherboard management. They always show off the windowed one but you can get a solid one too.

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gourdcaptain: Nov 16, 2012

Measly Twerp posted:

I measured my Define S with the front of the case on and off under mprime and the overall difference was about 1-2C.

Ah, fair. I'm being probably pointlessly paranoid then with my Define Mini, but it at least felt like the airflow was mostly going through the front to me.

Still should have gotten a full ATX case for the amount of stuff I crammed in there, though.

# ? Feb 24, 2018 22:55

Combat Pretzel: Jun 23, 2004; No, seriously... what kurds?!

SwissArmyDruid posted:

Sure there are, you just need to come with me, to the magical land... of Sweden. Seriously, Fractal Design sells plenty of cases with non-windowed panels. Just get ones that don't have TG or Window in the name.

I feel meh about them at best. I kind of want a NZXT S340 without a window. You'd figure you get the case and a solid spare panel. Latter is kind of tricky, it appears.

# ? Feb 24, 2018 22:58

Llamadeus: Dec 20, 2005

Out of the current windowless cases, I like this one for being even sleeker than Fractal's cases: http://www.corsair.com/en-us/carbide-series-quiet-400q-compact-mid-tower-case-cc-9011100-ww

# ? Feb 24, 2018 23:14

Obsurveyor: Jan 10, 2003

Llamadeus posted:

Out of the current windowless cases, I like this one for being even sleeker than Fractal's cases: http://www.corsair.com/en-us/carbide-series-quiet-400q-compact-mid-tower-case-cc-9011100-ww

$20 cheaper too. This is the one I was talking about above.

# ? Feb 24, 2018 23:27

SlayVus: Jul 10, 2009; Grimey Drawer

Combat Pretzel posted:

I wouldn't mind gaudy mainboards, if there were decent window-less cases. But we can't have that poo poo either. loving PCMR crowd.

Silverstone Raven RV02. Even though it has a side window all the IO is on the top. You can push the side window side against a wall because the air intake is on bottom. It also makes for a great under desk floor PC because of the top IO.

# ? Feb 25, 2018 00:08

Mr Shiny Pants: Nov 12, 2012

Combat Pretzel posted:

I wouldn't mind gaudy mainboards, if there were decent window-less cases. But we can't have that poo poo either. loving PCMR crowd.

My Phanteks P400S disagrees.

# ? Feb 25, 2018 00:27

SwissArmyDruid: Feb 14, 2014; by sebmojo

Combat Pretzel posted:

I feel meh about them at best. I kind of want a NZXT S340 without a window. You'd figure you get the case and a solid spare panel. Latter is kind of tricky, it appears.

Our collective point is, if the sudden flurry of activity that this thread never sees unless something major happens in terms of AMD news is any indication, is that you weren't looking hard enough for cases that don't cater to the RGB-everything crowd.

SwissArmyDruid fucked around with this message at 04:59 on Feb 25, 2018

# ? Feb 25, 2018 00:40

Klyith: Aug 3, 2007; GBS Pledge Week

Llamadeus posted:

Out of the current windowless cases, I like this one for being even sleeker than Fractal's cases: http://www.corsair.com/en-us/carbide-series-quiet-400q-compact-mid-tower-case-cc-9011100-ww

I have one. Got it to make a secondary PC out of all the reasonably-usable spare parts I had left.

The main problem with both that one and the Define S is that dust filters behind a solid, not-easily-removable front panel suck. On my main PC I want to clean the dust filters every 2-3 months, good luck with that when you have to pry off the front panel.

Considering the price I was kinda disappointed, there's some nice stuff but some big downsides like the HD cage being tiny and cramped. (this seems to be a problem with lots of cases now that everyone is trying to cram them beneath those stupid PSU shields. the 400Q comes with a PSU shield, for a non-windowed case. :confused:

I threw it in the trash.)

Also IMHO corsair's drive sled system sucks, the sleds are cheesy plastic and have pathetic vibration dampening. However this is a place where I admittedly have extremely high standards, since my main PC for the last almost 10 years has been in a P182, the case with the best vibration-dampening ever devised.

# ? Feb 25, 2018 00:59

LRADIKAL: Jun 10, 2001; Fun Shoe

I just use my brush attachment on the vacuum cleaner to clean off my front case filter. I suppose it's possible I could damage the fan behind it, but so far so good.

# ? Feb 25, 2018 19:29

Klyith: Aug 3, 2007; GBS Pledge Week

Jago posted:

I just use my brush attachment on the vacuum cleaner to clean off my front case filter. I suppose it's possible I could damage the fan behind it, but so far so good.

As long as the PC is off it should be fine. You're spinning the fans backwards but it doesn't spin them super hard unless you leave the vacuum sucking for minutes.

But you can't vacuum when there's a solid front panel in the way, which is difficult to remove and held to the case by plastic clips which will eventually break because it stresses them every time you pull the thing off. The 400Q and the Define S both have this problem.

# ? Feb 25, 2018 20:23

Desuwa: Jun 2, 2011; I'm telling my mommy. That pubbie doesn't do video games right!

Klyith posted:

The main problem with both that one and the Define S is that dust filters behind a solid, not-easily-removable front panel suck. On my main PC I want to clean the dust filters every 2-3 months, good luck with that when you have to pry off the front panel.

The Define S front panel is easy to remove though? Just pull it off. The connections aren't that strong, more than enough that the front panel is securely attached but not enough to be difficult to remove.

The downsides to the define S are the lack of dust filters if you open the top vents and the bottom dust filter being inaccessible from the front or side.

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Obsurveyor: Jan 10, 2003

I still haven't figured out how to take off the front of my 400Q, so I can see breaking clips being a thing with that one.

# ? Feb 27, 2018 19:03

Stanley Pain: Jun 16, 2001; by Fluffdaddy

Obsurveyor posted:

I still haven't figured out how to take off the front of my 400Q, so I can see breaking clips being a thing with that one.

I have the bigger brother of the 400Q and I can't get the drat top and PSU cover off :negative:

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# ? Apr 16, 2024 14:17

Klyith: Aug 3, 2007; GBS Pledge Week

Obsurveyor posted:

I still haven't figured out how to take off the front of my 400Q, so I can see breaking clips being a thing with that one.

Just pull hard. Start from the top and try to have even force on both sides so it opens from top down rather than left-right.

IIRC the first time I got it off I had to put my knee on the top of the case to kinda brace it, but after that it goes easier.

Desuwa posted:

The Define S front panel is easy to remove though? Just pull it off. The connections aren't that strong, more than enough that the front panel is securely attached but not enough to be difficult to remove.

OK, I don't have one and have only seen a regular Define in person. But it looks in all the pics like the clips that hold it on are plastic, so even if they're not as stiff and difficult as the 400Q's, that is still liable to break after repeated stress.

# ? Feb 27, 2018 23:56

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