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Keetron posted:Yes, I think just about everyone in this thread, myself included, is average and mediocre. Real greatness is so loving rare we should just stop assuming it includes us. They sure act like it though.
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I'm real GREATNESS Geting Really Easily Annoyed Tests Not Everworking Scala Sucks
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Assuming a normal distribution, if you aren't average then you have a 50/50 shot of being either really great or really awful. I'm not a big fan of those odds. Team Average for life baby.
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Fun fact: the slang word that women use for husband in Korean is 평남, which literally means "below average" edit I am below average
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Feb 27, 2018 18:53
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Love Stole the Day posted:Fun fact: the slang word that women use for husband in Korean is 평남, which literally means "below average" This explains a few jokes I never understood when I had a team in Korea.
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Feb 27, 2018 18:54
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Blinkz0rz posted:Pollyanna, I'm going to drop some hard truths on you. you're like the pollyanna of people who just got made managers
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Portland Sucks posted:Assuming a normal distribution, if you aren't average then you have a 50/50 shot of being either really great or really awful. I'm not a big fan of those odds. Most distributions are a hat, was it not?
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Feb 27, 2018 19:48
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the talent deficit posted:you're like the pollyanna of people who just got made managers Nothing he said appears to be incorrect, so I'm not sure where this is coming from.
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Pixelboy posted:Nothing he said appears to be incorrect, so I'm not sure where this is coming from. Prior posts in the thread, where Blinkz0rz manages a team of garbage junior devs and makes sweeping generalizations based on that. I thought it was funny, talent deficit.
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Feb 27, 2018 20:08
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Mniot posted:Prior posts in the thread, where Blinkz0rz manages a team of garbage junior devs and makes sweeping generalizations based on that. I thought it was funny, talent deficit. I suppose I should scroll back
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Mniot posted:Prior posts in the thread, where Blinkz0rz manages a team of garbage junior devs and makes sweeping generalizations based on that. I thought it was funny, talent deficit.  Quality post, talent deficit.
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Feb 27, 2018 20:21
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Forgot to mention, a former job got into a Daily WTF! https://thedailywtf.com/articles/why-medical-insurance-is-so-expensive I was Ians coworker, but Im not in the story. I worked at Optum as a contractor for 4 months before being fired.
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Feb 27, 2018 20:33
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In my goon fan fiction, Blinko is secretly Shirec's boss
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Feb 27, 2018 20:33
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Love Stole the Day posted:In my goon fan fiction, Blinko is secretly Shirec's boss
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Feb 27, 2018 20:37
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I really don't see what in Blinkz0r's posts in this thread brought this on, I even went back and looked his older posts. His posts to Pollyanna have been pretty accurate
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Feb 27, 2018 20:47
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i thought it was about the tone of the post tbh which was insanely middle management though not at all wrong just a little too Friday Night Lights not enough Friday Night I'm Reading Hacker News Wth My Dick Outt
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the only good advice in blink0rz's post is that pollyanna should focus on programming and stop worrying about career progression. everything else is terrible advice. no one should be happy for what they're offered or work for bad managers because they're just some upjumped boot camp rails jockey
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Jose Valasquez posted:I really don't see what in Blinkz0r's posts in this thread brought this on, I even went back and looked his older posts. His posts to Pollyanna have been pretty accurate It was probably his posts hating on remote workers and implying that just because he has control issues and/or Jr Developers that need constant handholding, remote workers aren't as effective as his sweatshop. That said, his tough love to Pollyanna is dead-on, and I'll forgive his opinion on remote work.
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Yeah, I mean, I don't really disagree with this bit of advice. But even when you mean it with the best intentions there's no way to say "you should accept a lower salary, longer hours, work much harder, and not complain" and not sound like an rear end in a top hat. As a derail apology, here are two little stories about managers I've had: One guy interviewed me and told me he was trying to hire "only A players" and that, to remind himself of this he'd written "A" all around his cubicle. I laughed at this, because I was younger and assumed he was making some kind of joke about that Steve Jobs quote. But when I saw his desk, all the cubes had a little glass wall-topper and he'd written "A A A A A A A" all the way around. I did take the job, though not working under him. Years later, he tried to recruit me to work at his new company but he couldn't remember anything about me or what I'd done (despite that we're LinkedIn connected and I have a passable resume posted). Another manager was a good schmoozer. Initially, the developers were hopeful because we thought "hey, maybe he can be our missing social skills!" But it turned out he was only skilled at bragging about himself and wasn't even that successful at it. One interesting day I was in three meetings with him: in the first, he told our recruiter that he was looking to hire "a real rock-star developer"; in the second, he told our CTO "I hate 'special snowflakes'! Developers need to learn that they're replaceable"; in the third, he announced to the whole dev team that he was creating an "elite strike-force team" of the best developers to take on all the hard or interesting tasks.
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Feb 27, 2018 21:27
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rename the thread title to "everyone is average except managers they fuckin suck"
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the talent deficit posted:no one should be happy for what they're offered quote:work for bad managers because they're just some upjumped boot camp rails jockey I didn't interpret the post as saying she should go work for Shirec's boss or anything, but to accept the fact that no job is going to be perfect and the biggest thing she needs to do is settle in, do a good job, and get experience instead of worrying about finding the perfect career progression and getting paid six figures
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Mods please rename thread "Oldie Programming: Pollyanna career bikeshedding station."
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Jose Valasquez posted:I didn't interpret the post as saying she should go work for Shirec's boss or anything, but to accept the fact that no job is going to be perfect and the biggest thing she needs to do is settle in, do a good job, and get experience instead of worrying about finding the perfect career progression and getting paid six figures he basically told someone he's never met and never worked with that they are a lovely programmer and they should be happy to even have a job offer
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the talent deficit posted:he basically told someone he's never met and never worked with that they are a lovely programmer and they should be happy to even have a job offer ... ... ... yes?
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~~*~*~ u AcCepT thE j0b u thInK u DesErVe ~*~*~
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Good Will Hrunting posted:~~*~*~ u AcCepT thE j0b u thInK u DesErVe ~*~*~ Strangely enough, Elon hasn't called offering me my own discovery fund yet.
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B-Nasty posted:It was probably his posts hating on remote workers and implying that just because he has control issues and/or Jr Developers that need constant handholding, remote workers aren't as effective as his sweatshop. Clearly there was a lack of reading comprehension up-thread when we were talking about remote work. My overall point was that the availability of remote work isn't 100% an indicator of good or bad management and that there are many factors that might affect it's availability. In my case it's the age of my team (only created in November) and the distribution of experience among my team members. At other orgs and in other teams the reasons could be different. There's nothing controversial in saying that there are shades of gray and that sweeping generalizations are a disservice to nuance. Love Stole the Day posted:In my goon fan fiction, Blinko is secretly Shirec's boss Low blow dude 
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Mniot posted:One guy interviewed me and told me he was trying to hire "only A players" and that, to remind himself of this he'd written "A" all around his cubicle. I laughed at this, because I was younger and assumed he was making some kind of joke about that Steve Jobs quote. But when I saw his desk, all the cubes had a little glass wall-topper and he'd written "A A A A A A A" all the way around. I did take the job, though not working under him. Years later, he tried to recruit me to work at his new company but he couldn't remember anything about me or what I'd done (despite that we're LinkedIn connected and I have a passable resume posted). For some reason this reminded me of this old clip.
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Pixelboy posted:... We can check and see if that's a reasonable statement by just checking the number of lovely programmers in the industry and oh look at that they're very much employed and I've worked with them/been them
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Love Stole the Day posted:Naturally, this only feeds into that Gen Y curse mentioned in the OP of this thread (i.e. no job b/c no experience, no experience b/c no job). I think you are thinking about the OP of the newbie thread. This OP is about bitter old farts.
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Good Will Hrunting posted:Friday Night I'm Reading Hacker News Wth My Dick Outt I'm normally all about not kink shaming but uh 
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Are there any UK developers reading this thread? I'm looking for some salary guidance. I've got 2 years experience writing full stack ASP.NET web apps (the last year has been entirely .NET Core), including a tonne of SQL for MSSQL, Postgres and Oracle. I spent about a year being the goto Python script writer/dev partner support/trainer. I also handle our static documentation sites and their CI pipelines. Edit: also responsible for the fun fun fun job of teaching my senior colleagues how to write automated tests I work on the outskirts of London where CoL is cheap and make 39k GBP. My next job move is likely going to be into London proper: what kind of offers should I be entertaining? SAVE-LISP-AND-DIE fucked around with this message at 15:20 on Feb 28, 2018 |
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strange posted:Are there any UK developers reading this thread?  I've not been a .NET dev for a long time, I'm Rails these days, what do you consider outskirts? 2 good years' experience in Ruby would get you something like 50k (low-mid range), so that may translate to your language/framework. For reference a senior Ruby dev will get 70-90k in London proper. One thing to bear in mind is that your CoL is going to skyrocket if you move closer than zone 6 and commuting from outside the tube will be 400-600/mo easy.
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Jaded Burnout posted:
Hmm, I kind of expected London to be more expensive than that. I'm surprised to hear you can get 70k~90k GBP in London on the senior end.
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Pollyanna posted:Hmm, I kind of expected London to be more expensive than that. I'm surprised to hear you can get 70k~90k GBP in London on the senior end. Are you surprised that it's that high or that low? Living in London is horrendously expensive but somehow San Francisco is even worse. I've never worked for bigcos in London so I don't know what happens in terms of "total compensation" there, these numbers are places with 5 to 200 employees and you can only trust the cash. Central government civil service pay for a senior Ruby dev tops out at 65k.
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Also my experience has been that senior developers typically hit the permie ceiling and go contracting which is more lucrative. That's what I did, though for other reasons.
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Jaded Burnout posted:
I'm not from the southeast so my definition of outskirts might be slightly off - I'm outside the zone system, but able to get Nat Rail trains into central London in less than half an hour. Rent is 950 - 1100 for a 2 bed flat. 700-1000 for 1. It sounds like I'd need an offer of at least 55k to break even. Is there any truth to the idea that you have to consult to make the big bucks in the UK? *eyes American salaries wistfully* Edit: just seen your previous reply. Thanks! SAVE-LISP-AND-DIE fucked around with this message at 15:40 on Feb 28, 2018 |
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Jaded Burnout posted:Are you surprised that it's that high or that low? That high - I usually hear 40k~50k for London, but I may be wrong. Those outside-the-zone flat/apartment prices are much nicer than Boston, at least 
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