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Bifauxnen
Aug 12, 2010

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Juchero posted:

I definitely have enough posts this time!

As for the vote, I would still like to lunch someone, but I am not sure enough about AA with how close we potentially are to mylo.

I'd be up for voting someone different like Tired instead of AA, who are your picks?

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Token Female
Apr 2, 2007

If I hear the music...
I'm not interested in vote for Tired.

Anomalous Amalgam
Feb 13, 2015

by Nyc_Tattoo
Doctor Rope

Bifauxnen posted:

What do you mean, uncertainty on scum numbers?

"hey guys, just in case its not really LYLO, lets not lunch anybody!"

This is not what I'm saying and it should be obvious as we've had This discussion at least 3x now.

Staaahhhhp

Stttttooooppppstppstppstop

Bifauxnen
Aug 12, 2010

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Anomalous Amalgam posted:

Staaahhhhp

Stttttooooppppstppstppstop

haha least I'm payin you back for FF7 hahaha

but ok let's talk about something else though, what're your thoughts on Token now

Juchero
Feb 15, 2008


Wedge Regret

Bifauxnen posted:

I'd be up for voting someone different like Tired instead of AA, who are your picks?

I'd need some time to come up with some alternatives, and I'm a bit busy. I'll try to reread and get my bearings before deadline.

Bifauxnen
Aug 12, 2010

Curses! Foiled again!


Juchero posted:

I'd need some time to come up with some alternatives, and I'm a bit busy. I'll try to reread and get my bearings before deadline.

you do know that's in 58 minutes right

Bifauxnen
Aug 12, 2010

Curses! Foiled again!


And the doublevote still hasn't gone through, you might wanna cast an extra vote to hammer GHGD just in case no one else even shows the gently caress up by end of day

Anomalous Amalgam
Feb 13, 2015

by Nyc_Tattoo
Doctor Rope

Bifauxnen posted:

haha least I'm payin you back for FF7 hahaha

but ok let's talk about something else though, what're your thoughts on Token now

Lol on the night I docced ypm and got the final materia. I sent my action in. Doc ypm and if I die, shoot bif in her lovely face.

I'm glad this didn't happen lol because it might have cost us the game.

Bifauxnen
Aug 12, 2010

Curses! Foiled again!


Anomalous Amalgam posted:

Lol on the night I docced ypm and got the final materia. I sent my action in. Doc ypm and if I die, shoot bif in her lovely face.

I'm glad this didn't happen lol because it might have cost us the game.

a game of exceedingly bizarre choices indeed

Podima
Nov 4, 2009

by Fluffdaddy
Episode 4 - The First... Paycheck...

give head or get dead (7): Bifauxnen, Natural 20, Atomic Soda, Dead Cow, Token Female, Anomalous Amalgam, Token Female
Anomalous Amalgam (1): Juchero, Bifauxnen, Bifauxnen, Juchero, NevergirlsOFFICIAL
Bifauxnen (0): Anomalous Amalgam, Anomalous Amalgam
NevergirlsOFFICIAL (0): Anomalous Amalgam, Anomalous Amalgam

Not Voting (5): give head or get dead, Iron Chef Ramen, Juchero, The Ninth Layer, Tired Moritz

With 12 reporting to work today, it's 7 votes to have someone escorted out by security. The current workday ends on March 04th, 2018 at 6:30 p.m. EST -- that's in about 52 minutes.

Podima
Nov 4, 2009

by Fluffdaddy
Well then! That was a bit of excitement. Work day isn't over yet though, don't get distracted by the nice security guards escorting give head or get dead out - back to it, everyone! We'll review her paperwork at the end of the day.

Episode 4 - The First... Paycheck...



Not Voting (11): Anomalous Amalgam, Atomic Soda, Bifauxnen, Dead Cow, Iron Chef Ramen, Juchero, Natural 20, NevergirlsOFFICIAL, The Ninth Layer, Tired Moritz, Token Female

With 11 reporting to work today, it's 6 votes to have someone escorted out by security. The current workday ends on March 04th, 2018 at 6:30 p.m. EST -- that's in about 50 minutes.

Bifauxnen
Aug 12, 2010

Curses! Foiled again!


Well, at least that's sorted.

I'd vote for AA or Tired or TNL.

Anomalous Amalgam
Feb 13, 2015

by Nyc_Tattoo
Doctor Rope

Bifauxnen posted:

Well, at least that's sorted.

I'd vote for AA or Tired or TNL.

Your persistence is legendary.

I'd vote ramen or juch over any of those 3

Anomalous Amalgam
Feb 13, 2015

by Nyc_Tattoo
Doctor Rope
Ramen is suspicious lurker vote. Juch is that I don't believe him about our night. He was click to claim I didn't visit him, and I don't think hid night actions make much sense.

Anomalous Amalgam
Feb 13, 2015

by Nyc_Tattoo
Doctor Rope
Going to go help move a refrigerator and washing machine. I won't be around for dl. I think we should just get deads flip instead of rushing a 2nd imo.

I'd like to walk with either TM, token, bif, soda, juch, ramen

Anomalous Amalgam
Feb 13, 2015

by Nyc_Tattoo
Doctor Rope
Tnl before bif in that order.

Token Female
Apr 2, 2007

If I hear the music...

Anomalous Amalgam posted:

Ramen is suspicious lurker vote. Juch is that I don't believe him about our night. He was click to claim I didn't visit him, and I don't think hid night actions make much sense.

I agree that there's a bunch of stuff that doesn't really make sense for Juchero's role/action. Like why claim it in the un-townie way that he did? I don't get why he tried to hold hands with anyone over having an action. I also don't get the Li Dawny watch still.

However, Cat's vote on Juchero, which I forget who said it, looks like it's someone having to make a junkie justification for the vote and then going for it. I guess it could be a bus. But it makes me hesitant.

Iron Chef Ramen
Sep 15, 2007

HA HA! YOU HAVE CHOSEN POORLY!
hi i'm here off work now reading oh god

Bifauxnen
Aug 12, 2010

Curses! Foiled again!


Anomalous Amalgam posted:

Your persistence is legendary.

I wouldn't exactly call "Not immediately dropping a really strong scum read that I've argued for quite passionately and haven't seen any sudden reason to change" persistence, let alone legendary persistence, it seems more like some baseline level of object permanence for my brain cells really

Token Female posted:

I agree that there's a bunch of stuff that doesn't really make sense for Juchero's role/action. Like why claim it in the un-townie way that he did? I don't get why he tried to hold hands with anyone over having an action. I also don't get the Li Dawny watch still.

However, Cat's vote on Juchero, which I forget who said it, looks like it's someone having to make a junkie justification for the vote and then going for it. I guess it could be a bus. But it makes me hesitant.

yeah I think Juch's tone has been sounding more townie today especially, and AA sticking up for Juch so drat much before just feels like AA has to be scum who knows Juch isn't on his team, I don't see how he could be that drat sure about Juch then, especially when AA himself is arguing for how disengaged and absent he was

Iron Chef Ramen
Sep 15, 2007

HA HA! YOU HAVE CHOSEN POORLY!
I was a Watcher (Tutor) in the first thread, now I'm a Tracker (Class Representative) in this one.

N1: Watched TF, saw no one.
N2: Watched AA, saw no one.
N3: Watched Nat20, saw Juchero.
N4: Walked home with Dead Cow.
N5: Tracked Atomic Soda, nothing.
N6: Attempted to walk home with Dead Cow, no show.

Token Female
Apr 2, 2007

If I hear the music...

Anomalous Amalgam posted:

Ramen is suspicious lurker vote. Juch is that I don't believe him about our night. He was click to claim I didn't visit him, and I don't think hid night actions make much sense.

If you look at ramen on day 3 in the other thread, he votes for Nat20 over Sal and isn't around to change to JJ.

No comment on Sal or Cat in the other thread. No real comment on Sal in this thread until after the GeneX's claim. And not a believer in the Cat case.

It's not a great history.

Iron Chef Ramen
Sep 15, 2007

HA HA! YOU HAVE CHOSEN POORLY!

Dead Cow posted:

It’s a little weird ICR didn’t mention it at all.
I did.

Iron Chef Ramen posted:

Dead Cow, you meanie!

Bifauxnen
Aug 12, 2010

Curses! Foiled again!


Hm I'm definitely gonna have to sleep on these tracker claims

still think AA is a great dunk in the meantime though

Token Female
Apr 2, 2007

If I hear the music...

Iron Chef Ramen posted:

I was a Watcher (Tutor) in the first thread, now I'm a Tracker (Class Representative) in this one.

N1: Watched TF, saw no one.
N2: Watched AA, saw no one.
N3: Watched Nat20, saw Juchero.
N4: Walked home with Dead Cow.
N5: Tracked Atomic Soda, nothing.
N6: Attempted to walk home with Dead Cow, no show.

What was your interest with walking over tracking with Dead Cow? I just want to be clear.

Iron Chef Ramen
Sep 15, 2007

HA HA! YOU HAVE CHOSEN POORLY!

Token Female posted:

What was your interest with walking over tracking with Dead Cow? I just want to be clear.

I was curious about the mechanic, and didn't have a good scum read. Also I'd been outed as a PR.

Token Female
Apr 2, 2007

If I hear the music...

Iron Chef Ramen posted:

I was curious about the mechanic, and didn't have a good scum read. Also I'd been outed as a PR.

Didn't have a good scum read on anyone or didn't have a scum read on DC?

Bifauxnen
Aug 12, 2010

Curses! Foiled again!


hey Nat, can you verify anything about people saying they visited one of us?

Iron Chef Ramen
Sep 15, 2007

HA HA! YOU HAVE CHOSEN POORLY!

Token Female posted:

Didn't have a good scum read on anyone or didn't have a scum read on DC?

Anyone. Figured avoiding an NK and protecting someone I felt was town was better.

Anomalous Amalgam
Feb 13, 2015

by Nyc_Tattoo
Doctor Rope

Bifauxnen posted:

I wouldn't exactly call "Not immediately dropping a really strong scum read that I've argued for quite passionately and haven't seen any sudden reason to change" persistence, let alone legendary persistence, it seems more like some baseline level of object permanence for my brain cells really


yeah I think Juch's tone has been sounding more townie today especially, and AA sticking up for Juch so drat much before just feels like AA has to be scum who knows Juch isn't on his team, I don't see how he could be that drat sure about Juch then, especially when AA himself is arguing for how disengaged and absent he was

Please point out where I stood up for him.

I defended his meta. Both he and LD had only recently returned to Mafia, and I felt like they were playing like people whom had recently returned to mafia. I made a hot take read based on meta opinions on the first game thread(I think first thread)

Point out this defense, because I've just caught you in a stinky lie Biffy poo.

Token Female
Apr 2, 2007

If I hear the music...

Bifauxnen posted:

still think AA is a great dunk in the meantime though

I doubt that we will get the votes in for this, but if you strongly believe this then why aren't you voting for AA?

Bifauxnen
Aug 12, 2010

Curses! Foiled again!


Token Female posted:

I doubt that we will get the votes in for this, but if you strongly believe this then why aren't you voting for AA?

because it might possibly be LYLO and it is good form. Especially if no one else is around to vote with me, rendering my vote pointless to begin with.

Token Female
Apr 2, 2007

If I hear the music...

Bifauxnen posted:

Well, at least that's sorted.

I'd vote for AA or Tired or TNL.

Also, I noticed looking over the list you made that it seems that TNL jumped me in your suspicion. Why?

Dead Cow
Nov 4, 2009

Passion makes the world go round.
Love just makes it a safer place.
I’m here, I still want to vote ngo, but at this point I don’t have time to read

Token Female
Apr 2, 2007

If I hear the music...

Bifauxnen posted:

because it might possibly be LYLO and it is good form. Especially if no one else is around to vote with me, rendering my vote pointless to begin with.

There are people around. Though maybe not enough people.

Podima
Nov 4, 2009

by Fluffdaddy
Episode 4 - The First... Paycheck...



Not Voting (11): Anomalous Amalgam, Atomic Soda, Bifauxnen, Dead Cow, Iron Chef Ramen, Juchero, Natural 20, NevergirlsOFFICIAL, The Ninth Layer, Tired Moritz, Token Female

With 11 reporting to work today, it's 6 votes to have someone escorted out by security. The current workday ends on March 04th, 2018 at 6:30 p.m. EST -- that's in about 20 minutes.

Bifauxnen
Aug 12, 2010

Curses! Foiled again!


Anomalous Amalgam posted:

Please point out where I stood up for him.

I defended his meta. Both he and LD had only recently returned to Mafia, and I felt like they were playing like people whom had recently returned to mafia. I made a hot take read based on meta opinions on the first game thread(I think first thread)

Point out this defense, because I've just caught you in a stinky lie Biffy poo.

well, people can read all these posts below and judge for themselves if it's "standing up for him" or not:

Anomalous Amalgam posted:

I don't know what the case is on Juchero at all. Can someone sum it up. Just phone posting atm.

Anomalous Amalgam posted:

Hmmm... I like Token's cases, but again I think this is a miss I don't think Juch is scum, would vote some of these opportunistic votes on there though. Will do more looking.

Anomalous Amalgam posted:

Dead Cow posted:

AA here's my case on Juchero

While that's not good play, I don't think it makes him scum. To that credit, I'm not reading the thread too closely since transition. My reasons for not voting Juch are meta. I know it's not good, but... I think the votes on Juch are more telling.

Anomalous Amalgam posted:

Juchero posted:

At the very least, some of those opportunistic votes against me will reveal some pertinent information if I do get lunched.

My main argument against that case remains the same: you claim it's a scum case, but it just reads as if you're just upset I'm not participating enough or the way you want.

It's a fake case because you're trying to persuade people to hunt down someone who just didn't participate as much as others.

I still don't really have a vote in me yet for scum, but I'll be re-reading cases before it comes time.

I don't know if Dead Cow is town, and I know it's unpopular, but I like his speculative posts as previously mentioned. I do see how others might think it's fake. Dead Cow's vote on you seems bad, but token's case seems genuine.

Would vote DC over Juch because of feels, but feel good about both :shrug:

Anomalous Amalgam posted:

Don't like cat or ramen's vote on Juch

but nah, I must be LYING about you sticking up for him, :laffo:

Bifauxnen
Aug 12, 2010

Curses! Foiled again!


Token Female posted:

Also, I noticed looking over the list you made that it seems that TNL jumped me in your suspicion. Why?

I think you could fit in a team with AA and GHGD and Tired, and your not walking home with Asiina could be one reason for AA pushing that weird theory about the stood-up flavor to try and defend you. But individually, TNL looks way more scummy than you.

Natural 20
Sep 17, 2007

Wearer of Compasses. Slayer of Gods. Champion of the Colosseum. Heart of the Void.
Saviour of Hallownest.
I'm happy with the AA dunk and would be happy with a Tired dunk.

Discussion hasn't really meaningfully changed on either since i last posted.

I'll note this again:

If we are at MYLO today then if GHGD flips town we've lost the game.

If we are at MYLO today and go for another person on top of GHGD, if either of them flips scum we go to LYLO tomorrow and survive.

I consider the second option to be safer than the first. I'm confident in the GHGD flip being scum, but equally I don't think hedging is necessarily a bad idea. If we hit town twice then honestly, we've been so badly off as a town group that we deserve to lose, plus that's no different to the GHGD flip going the wrong way.

If we're not at MYLO and we're at what I'm calling +1 (where we can incorrectly lunch a target once more before hitting a LYLO or MYLO situation) (this would translate to a game of 6 scum, 4 remaining with 11 overall alive)

If we double lunch and are wrong both times we lose. (4 scum, 5 town, NK, GG)

If we hit one scum and one town, we go to: 3 scum, 6 town, NK - 3 scum, 5 town.

in doing that we put ourselves at MYLO, which I think is probably an okay trade given the information advantage granted.

I do not think people should reasonably therefore be persuaded by the "It might not be MYLO argument." A double lunch is likely to prevent a disaster in MYLO and does not end the game in either situation unless we're wrong twice.

TLDR, I am willing to gamble on us not being wrong twice. I'm less willing to gamble on us not being wrong once.

I think Bif is on point about AA's posting, I think I'm right about Tired's posting. So I'm happy with either.

Natural 20
Sep 17, 2007

Wearer of Compasses. Slayer of Gods. Champion of the Colosseum. Heart of the Void.
Saviour of Hallownest.
inb4 tired says something like "All of that's worthless, you're just saying lynch scum"

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Token Female
Apr 2, 2007

If I hear the music...
What do you guys think about Ramen?

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