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Tarquinn posted:So, Barry's speed is way beyond lightspeed now, right? It feels like just last season there were still measuring his speed in mach. He can go as fast as the (possibly lame bullshit) plot demands. Speaking of which, where are the gifs of Barry writing on the board "Speedforce: I ain't gotta explain poo poo"?
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Tarquinn posted:So, Barry's speed is way beyond lightspeed now, right? It feels like just last season there were still measuring his speed in mach. He runs as fast (or slow) as the show requires. SPEEDFORCE BITCH!
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Mar 7, 2018 22:13
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Yeah I mean, "you're not a speedster, you can't handle this speed for long" no poo poo they shouldn't be able to handle anything over ~200 mph without going into shock or worse. SPEED FORCE 
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Mar 7, 2018 22:58
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When they talked about needed a nuclear fission, all I could think was "Shame Prof Stein is DEAD."
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Mar 7, 2018 23:33
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Tarquinn posted:So, Barry's speed is way beyond lightspeed now, right? It feels like just last season there were still measuring his speed in mach. In this episode, he froze time and could travel freely in space while doing that. So, definitely: if he froze time in that warehouse and ran to Russia before unfreezing it, he'd have displaced 5500 miles in 0.0 seconds. Undefinably faster than c.
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Mar 7, 2018 23:41
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Hello yes I have several questions about the speed force
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Mar 7, 2018 23:43
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It all makes sense and is perfectly sound. Especially the math: explode(f+g) / SPEEDFORCE = SPEEDFORCE.
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Mar 7, 2018 23:49
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nooneofconsequence posted:Hello yes I have several questions about the speed force Someone post the gif already
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Mar 7, 2018 23:54
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I also love that the speed force isn't an infinite dimension of speed energy but an actual place that can be destroyed with a nuke. Legends should do a story about a preemptive strike against the speed force
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Mar 7, 2018 23:55
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I thought the first time Barry did the everything freezes thing was in the court room and he and Iris were surprised and people just assumed he soaked up more speed being in speed force prison for so long. So why can Jesse do it too?
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Mar 7, 2018 23:56
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Guy A. Person posted:
Mick: I'm in. What can I steal
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Mar 7, 2018 23:57
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The Speedforce is also a Speedplace. It has a Speedburger location at Fast Ave & Speedmore.
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Mar 7, 2018 23:58
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Guy A. Person posted:Legends should do a story about a preemptive strike against the speed force They're busy, considering they almost did to time what Jay was worried would happen to the Speedforce.
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Mar 8, 2018 00:20
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Davros1 posted:When they talked about needed a nuclear fission, all I could think was "Shame Prof Stein is DEAD." This ep really could have used a line like "we could really use a Firestorm right now"
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Mar 8, 2018 00:21
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Also, Barry has known he can do this time freeze thing for quite awhile but he's having issues being fast enough to reach into Cisco's breach or whatever?
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Mar 8, 2018 00:31
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WhyteRyce posted:I thought the first time Barry did the everything freezes thing was in the court room and he and Iris were surprised and people just assumed he soaked up more speed being in speed force prison for so long. So why can Jesse do it too? His new thing was being able to bring other people into "flash time." Jesse couldn't do it to Wells when she wanted to talk to him.
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Mar 8, 2018 00:31
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nooneofconsequence posted:His new thing was being able to bring other people into "flash time." Jesse couldn't do it to Wells when she wanted to talk to him. I figured that she could, but didn't have enough energy to do it, considering she freezes in place shortly afterward.
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Mar 8, 2018 00:45
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nooneofconsequence posted:His new thing was being able to bring other people into "flash time." Jesse couldn't do it to Wells when she wanted to talk to him. Even if Flash Time isn't new, why does he have any trouble getting to Cisco's breach in time before it closes
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Mar 8, 2018 01:23
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discworld is all I read posted:I was honestly a bit surprised that the whole idea to blow up the speed force as the last resort wasn't some plan from Devoe to cripple Flash and any other speedsters. Instead it just turned out to be a random group of eco-terrorists and Flash got to learn a lesson. I mean it was a good episode but it just felt strangely like filler. This is totally going to be Devoe's plan where he needed the Quark Sphere removed from the speed force for some nefarious reason. It continues to be weird how they make all the super geniuses really dumb "The cerebral inhibitor is functioning!" "I AM KILLGORE. THE GUY THAT CAN CONTROL TECHNOLOGY WITH MY MIND." *inhibitor explodes* "It didn't work? What could have possibly happened? I am an idiot that designed a non functioning piece of technology!!!!!" "Who would help this eco terrorist detonate a nuclear bomb" "Devoe?" "Yeah but why would he do that" "  Can't have anything to do with creating a desperate situation where Barry would be forced to do something that only he is capable of that he would never do normally""Guess we have no clue what is going on then."
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WhyteRyce posted:Even if Flash Time isn't new, why does he have any trouble getting to Cisco's breach in time before it closes 
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Mar 8, 2018 03:05
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Xealot posted:The Speedforce is also a Speedplace. It has a Speedburger location at Fast Ave & Speedmore. Fastburger is way better though. Its amazing how much better the show can be without being forced into the season arc.
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Mar 8, 2018 03:39
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The scene with Barry running through the Speed Force with the lightning behind him was pretty good looking.
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Mar 8, 2018 03:46
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DeVoe goes away for an episode and the show becomes good again. What a crazy coincidence.
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Mar 8, 2018 03:48
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Barry getting subtly sweatier and more out of breath as the episode went on was a really brilliant touch, and added hugely to the sense of urgency and mounting desperation. How is this episode part of the same show? It’s like it’s from Earth-2, where The Flash is prestige TV.
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Mar 8, 2018 03:49
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Phylodox posted:Barry getting subtly sweatier and more out of breath as the episode went on was a really brilliant touch, and added hugely to the sense of urgency and mounting desperation. How is this episode part of the same show? It’s like it’s from Earth-2, where The Flash is prestige TV. I loved the touch of the "slower" speedsters eventually gassing out and freezing back in time. There was an actual comic about this where Flash decided to try and fix everyone in the city's problems all at once (only to find out even with his speed it was impossible) using the same bit: 
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VictorianQueerLit posted:"The cerebral inhibitor is functioning!" In Harry's tech mumbo-jumbo rant afterward, he was sure he'd built it to block that power. The "can control tech psychically" equivalent of airgapping a machine to prevent remote access.
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WhyteRyce posted:Even if Flash Time isn't new, why does he have any trouble getting to Cisco's breach in time before it closes Because both times it has happened so far it has been a desperate subconscious reflex that surprised even him and he can’t just go there in a controlled way. If he could just stop time whenever he wanted to he could have stopped every crime the moment the alarm button was pushed.
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Mar 8, 2018 07:19
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Cretler posted:I figured that she could, but didn't have enough energy to do it, considering she freezes in place shortly afterward. She can’t do it, she was just curious if she could. Her and Jay were surprised when they saw Barry doing it. I know this because Speedforce.
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Mar 8, 2018 07:27
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My current theory is that DeVoe's end goal is to take Barry's body, because it's the only one with enough power not to get burnt out by hosting DeVoe's mind. Then he has a body that will last... And has superpowers as a bonus. And he will succeed. And then the speed force will suddenly remember it has a Barry-shaped hole that it needs to fill, and the lightning returns and eats DeVoe. Also, it would mean we don't break the cycle of every season's big bad being a speedster, at least not at the end. Robot Hobo fucked around with this message at 07:36 on Mar 8, 2018 |
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Robot Hobo posted:My current theory is that DeVoe's end goal is to take Barry's body, because it's the only one with enough power not to get burnt out by hosting DeVoe's mind. Then he has a body that will last... And has superpowers as a bonus. Given the way this plot seems to be going so far and that little drop earlier on from DeVoe where he was like "in 20% of the other possible outcomes of stage, they called me The Teacher," I think DeVoe's master plan is to teach Barry some kind of lesson (that will be incredibly disappointing when everything's finally on the table) or act as some kind of stealth mentor to prepare him for an even greater threat or challenge. Honestly, I legit do not know where the end point of this season is gonna land just because the Flash writers are so unpredictable in their quality and storytelling logic.
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Nerd question: maybe I missed it, but did somebody in this episode explain how the gently caress the device was starting a fission reaction with deuterium?
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teamcharlie posted:Nerd question: maybe I missed it, but did somebody in this episode explain how the gently caress the device was starting a fission reaction with deuterium? Do we have to post that image again
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Mar 8, 2018 14:45
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The Speedforce hates Barry so much and I totally sympathize with it.
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discworld is all I read posted:I was honestly a bit surprised that the whole idea to blow up the speed force as the last resort wasn't some plan from Devoe to cripple Flash and any other speedsters. Instead it just turned out to be a random group of eco-terrorists and Flash got to learn a lesson. I mean it was a good episode but it just felt strangely like filler. The thing is, it absolutely was a filler episode in terms of having nothing to do with the main plot arc, but the main plot arc is so bad and convoluted this filler episode wound up being the most enjoyable one in ages.
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WhyteRyce posted:Even if Flash Time isn't new, why does he have any trouble getting to Cisco's breach in time before it closes Did you watch the episode? I know its a bit techno-bable but they are moving so fast that the breach won't stay open/can't open fast enough.
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Mooseontheloose posted:Did you watch the episode? I know its a bit techno-bable but they are moving so fast that the breach won't stay open/can't open fast enough. Yeah, but the point is that Flash then proceeded to spend at the very least the better part of an hour within a single moment, during which Cisco couldn’t help specifically because they were moving too fast for his portal to form.
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Mar 8, 2018 15:54
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Mooseontheloose posted:Did you watch the episode? I know its a bit techno-bable but they are moving so fast that the breach won't stay open/can't open fast enough. I think he was talking about the beginning of the episode where Barry was trying to run through the portal before it closed.
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Phylodox posted:Yeah, but the point is that Flash then proceeded to spend at the very least the better part of an hour within a single moment, during which Cisco couldn’t help specifically because they were moving too fast for his portal to form. Cisco couldn't open the breach because he was going to fast to for the reaction to take place, the amount of energy that needs to build up to open the breach could not gather properly because it is not moving in Flash Time. He couldn't jump through the closing portal fast enough because breaches close faster (become inherit before vanishing) than they open. Watching the show we see it takes a second or two for a breach to form. But Iris specifically states that Cisco's breaches dissolve in 3 picoseconds. A picosecond is one trillionth of a second, when I try to get google to tell me how may pico seconds are in a minute it just gives me math... 6e+13. I don't think he was experiencing extended picoseconds or we wouldn't have even seen the explosion progress at all.
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kjetting posted:Because both times it has happened so far it has been a desperate subconscious reflex that surprised even him and he can’t just go there in a controlled way. If he could just stop time whenever he wanted to he could have stopped every crime the moment the alarm button was pushed. Then why can Jesse and Dad Flash do it too. Barry didn't pull Jesse out she just walked into the crate under her own power and had no idea what was going on Kilson posted:I think he was talking about the beginning of the episode where Barry was trying to run through the portal before it closed. Yeah the breach closing experiments at the beginning were treated different than the breach attempts during Flash Time. In the former he was just barely not fast enough to make it in despite moving at regular Flash speeds I get Flash Time doesn't allow breaches to be made but it's not like he needs to pull Devoe into Flash Time with him
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Writh posted:Cisco couldn't open the breach because he was going to fast to for the reaction to take place, the amount of energy that needs to build up to open the breach could not gather properly because it is not moving in Flash Time. He couldn't jump through the closing portal fast enough because breaches close faster (become inherit before vanishing) than they open. Watching the show we see it takes a second or two for a breach to form. But Iris specifically states that Cisco's breaches dissolve in 3 picoseconds. A picosecond is one trillionth of a second, when I try to get google to tell me how may pico seconds are in a minute it just gives me math... 6e+13. I don't think he was experiencing extended picoseconds or we wouldn't have even seen the explosion progress at all. The breach stays open long enough for DeVoe to float his way through (or get dragged). He doesn't have to wait for DeVoe to go into his pocket dimension and close the breach before attempting to go through
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