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The Fool posted:Your jokes are like that other guys opinions. im a top tier poster in this thread, you're white noise
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Munkeymon posted:That's what I'm doing - seems to help. I even found a group that's ~90% developers so it doubles as networking. He posts there too.
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Mar 8, 2018 16:37
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Yeah, he's doing a pretty good job of riling up two threads at once with his shiftless posting.
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Mar 8, 2018 16:40
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Fututor Magnus posted:that's too bad, this opinion is shared by any tech firm worth their salt. i.e. places where hiring and promotions are given contingent on one's technical skills as determined by other technical people through interviews and work performance review. its not. maybe at the lowest rung of promotions your impact is primarily measured in raw code contribution, but beyond that your impact is measured in your ability to contribute to and lead at various levels of abstraction (multiple teams, an entire org, multiple orgs, the entire business). as you move up this ladder you end spending a lot less time coding and much more time designing, discussing, reviewing, and just helping people be better. these all involve a significant social component and more understanding of the overall business impact of your designs and decisions. what tech firm worth their salt do you work for again?
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Mar 8, 2018 16:43
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CPColin posted:Yeah, he's doing a pretty good job of riling up two threads at once with his shiftless posting. The other thread is a fantastic read for a good laugh. geeves posted:Map reduce is now an architecture? If you try hard enough anything can become an architecture! To meet our deadline we've cut out the "streaming" component entirely (executive decision after literal months of trying to replicate Kafka with our own homespun message broker, essentially) and we're batch loading gigs of data per day on an hourly basis with Hadoop/Spark jobs that do a whole bunch of redundant poo poo. It took us months to get here. Literal months. After seeing the final product I could have, with zero knowledge of Spark or Hadoop or our choice of scheduler (rather in depth part of the system, the only real win) before this, accomplished what we did on my own in maybe 3 months, and that's a conservative estimate.
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Mar 8, 2018 16:44
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Gildiss posted:He posts there too. I know - I should have been more clear: we should distract him to save the other thread. Like rodeo clowns but for bad posters. *ahem* There is solid evidence clearly showing that IQ scores are heritable That should do it. Good Will Hrunting posted:im a top tier poster in this thread, you're white noise  ?
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Mar 8, 2018 18:00
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there is none, now that polyanna is gone i'm #1
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Mar 8, 2018 18:03
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Gildiss posted:How would one work on social skills though? I'm going to mention this as well: like any skill, social skills are things you can, in fact, work on and improve.
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Mar 8, 2018 18:06
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Good Will Hrunting posted:there is none, now that polyanna is gone i'm #1 She just switched to the YOSPoS thread :\
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Mar 8, 2018 18:56
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How about some advice on dealing with increased workload due to other people not pulling their load? I was having lunch with my TL the other day and we got into a discussion about making sure that I'm not working myself into a corner where I'm the only person who can support what I'm developing which is totally sane advice. The problem is the only other people around who could support this stuff are myself and him. We have an entire department dedicated to maintenance (we're a large manufacturing company) who have two employees that are supposed to be the guys who maintain the stuff that we (R&D) develop, but neither of them actually have the skillset and so the company just defaulted to making us both the developers and the support. I didn't even know these two guys were supposed to be responsible for maintaining this stuff until my TL told me this (prefixed by a sort of ssshhh don't tell anyone I told you this), but now I'm pretty loving irritated that they come in all the time asking for help regarding programming other stuff when we're apparently doing their jobs for them because they just can't hack it. Is this the kind of thing that is not even worth raising up to management? My TL isn't in the management chain, and is just a really "nice guy" so I'm kinda left wondering why the gently caress he wants me to keep it a secret that two of our employees are apparently trash and increasing the workload of our team instead.
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Mar 8, 2018 19:44
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Portland Sucks posted:How about some advice on dealing with increased workload due to other people not pulling their load?
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Mar 8, 2018 19:50
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Sounds like Politics. You could raise a request with management for, say, two support people, and act dumb that you already have two. "Oh, I didn't know they worked on our stuff, we've been doing it all"
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Mar 8, 2018 21:00
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Jaded Burnout posted:Sounds like Politics. You could raise a request with management for, say, two support people, and act dumb that you already have two. Now this here is social skill.
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Mar 8, 2018 22:53
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FamDav posted:its not. maybe at the lowest rung of promotions your impact is primarily measured in raw code contribution
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Mar 8, 2018 23:10
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muon posted:Yes: don't do their work and also don't snitch on them. The work just comes back around to us in the form of a work request though. So we're already doing the work. I just didn't know we were doing someone elses work until my TL fessed up to it over lunch. So the only way for me not to do their work is to snitch. Jaded Burnout posted:Sounds like Politics. You could raise a request with management for, say, two support people, and act dumb that you already have two. If it wasn't a secret that we were doing it already this would be nice.
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Mar 8, 2018 23:56
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Portland Sucks posted:If it wasn't a secret that we were doing it already this would be nice. Well. Hm. Here's the thing. If you stop doing the work you're not snitching on them. You're not going to the bosses and saying "Billy and Jimmy are being unfair". You're just no longer covering for people not doing their job. If it's a secret that you're doing the work then when the work stops getting done it won't be you the bosses come to for answers.
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Mar 9, 2018 00:01
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Portland Sucks posted:The work just comes back around to us in the form of a work request though. So we're already doing the work. I just didn't know we were doing someone elses work until my TL fessed up to it over lunch. So the only way for me not to do their work is to snitch. How about talking to the people who are supposed to be doing the work first instead of going to management? If they can't do the job, are you capable of training them?
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Mar 9, 2018 00:10
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muon posted:How about talking to the people who are supposed to be doing the work first instead of going to management? If they can't do the job, are you capable of training them? They are genuinely incompetent in regards to their position. I found out about this after being told that I spent too much time supporting requests for fixes or changes to our .NET applications by my manager after being told by my TL that requests for fixes or changes to our .NET applications were the highest priority interrupts. Neither of the guys on the maintenance team who should be supporting it even know what .NET is. So my TL constantly tells me that supporting these requests is the most important part of my job and my manger decided to put in writing that I can only alot 5% of my time to supporting these requests and they both laugh when I tell them that the messages I'm getting are conflicting. I just need a new job probably if I don't want to deal with this.
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Mar 9, 2018 00:47
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If someone is assigning you this work, frankly, I can't see what grounds you really have to take it to management. Presumably whoever is assigning you the tickets is aware of the situation.
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Mar 9, 2018 01:21
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I had a coworker who was just unable to do anything. Like, I'd say "can you deploy a new EC2 instance for me? Here's all the instructions for getting it set up." And he wouldn't do anything, and then if I asked how it was going he'd open up my instructions (clearly for the first time) and say that he was still reading them. Later, he'd say in a group meeting that the instructions weren't any good and so he'd had to do it all himself (which would mean things like a manually-created EC2 instead of using Terraform and it would be the wrong OS and nothing installed and only his SSH keys for access). I got so frustrated I complained to our boss: I had a list of all the things that he'd been assigned (that I knew of) and the date on which I'd given up and done the task myself. If it makes you feel any better, Portland Sucks, he was not fired despite my best effort. If someone's dead weight and not getting pressured to shape up or ship out, then what you really have is a management problem. Don't kill yourself with work, because bad management also means that you will not be rewarded for your extra effort.
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Mar 9, 2018 01:24
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Portland Sucks posted:I just need a new job probably if I don't want to deal with this. Get them in a room together and tell them that their orders are diametrically opposed and they need to figure it out between them.
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Mar 9, 2018 01:42
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Che Delilas posted:
 The problem with using nitrogen is that they won't realize they're suffocating because there won't be any buildup of CO2 in their bloodstream. They'll think you were bluffing up until they fall unconscious. If you want a credible threat, just use regular ol' CO2!
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Mar 9, 2018 02:15
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SaTaMaS posted:I'm proficient with CSS/JavaScript/C++/Swift/Obj-C, but I don't have much experience with Android/Java/Kotlin. Would it be feasible for me to try to get a mobile developer job which asks for both iOS and Android experience based on my iOS experience, and then learn Android on the job? Or has that time passed and there are enough people who know both that I wouldn't have a shot (and therefore I'd better learn Android on my own time)? maybe this is a more appropriate place for this than the Newbie thread...
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Mar 9, 2018 02:56
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SaTaMaS posted:<Android/iOS> There's not a lot of overlap. Language-wise Java is about as different from the ones you know as JavaScript to Obj-C. The APIs are quite different. The system quirks are totally different. You might be able to successfully pitch yourself as "mobile developer on all platforms" but I think that if the application you're building is complex or the person interviewing you is an experienced Android dev then you'll get into trouble.
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Mar 9, 2018 03:07
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SaTaMaS posted:maybe this is a more appropriate place for this than the Newbie thread... Do some Android applications, don't go into an interview blindfolded. Unlike iOS they're easy to get started with, the SDK works on most major OSes. You don't need a phone, but if you really want one you can get a very cheap one second hand easily. Other than that, don't worry. The development on Android is the same as on iOS: hit the keyboard until it compiles.
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Mar 9, 2018 03:23
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Volguus posted:Other than that, don't worry. The development on Android is the same as on iOS: hit the keyboard until it compiles. No, it's definitely different. Android OS bugs are forever and can be manufacturer, device, or even version-specific in regards to their mitigations; iOS is less buggy overall, and more secure, and you can rely on old OSes to go away and new ones to be adopted faster. Android is harder and consequently better-paid at the top but there's way more trash-tier apps/developers on Android than iOS. If you're only supporting the top couple of Android devices from the past one or two years, you have an easier time, but if you want adoption on the majority of devices worldwide you're going to have to hit the lowest common denominator that you can stomach. With that said, very few people have Android+iOS experience worth a drat so you probably have a good chance at getting a job that asks for both if you're strong in one, and it's probably good for your career, even if it can be pretty stressful to debug and support Android devices.
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Mar 9, 2018 04:53
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not sure what that's for but I'm saying that after your first two years, your technical contributions are going to be just one component of what gets you promoted to the next level.
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Mar 9, 2018 04:58
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FamDav posted:not sure what that's for but I'm saying that after your first two years, your technical contributions are going to be just one component of what gets you promoted to the next level. He's probably preaching from a (relatively) low level IC position where that advice holds true.
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Mar 9, 2018 05:48
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Quick question for you fine goons: I belong in the oldie thread, but I want some advice/pointers on having a decent resume. I scrapped my old one and made a new one from scratch on Google Drive. Got it anonymized and everything and share-able from a separate google drive account and everything. Should I go ahead and share it here or in the newbie thread? Because I feel like a newbie when it comes to making a good resume. Picking up the job search once after being out of it for about 3 years. Cheers!
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Mar 9, 2018 08:33
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Fututor Magnus posted:lmao "believe in IQ" thanks for admittiing that believing IQ actually measures intelligence is based more on faith and wishful thinking rather than actual scientific evidence People like you are why scientific diagrams look like poo poo and convey knowledge like poo poo https://dash.harvard.edu/bitstream/handle/1/8667395/evaluation_of_artery.pdf I hope you're fired and replaced with a bootcamp-trained Frontend Developer
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Jose Valasquez posted:You should stop trying to give advice in this thread because you are wrong about everything and someone might confuse you with someone who knows what they are talking about you should suck my balls, you're probably better at that than responding to people's arguments. i get it you feel bad about the uncomfortable truths about being a programmer and what you must do to be a successful one. Analytic Engine posted:People like you are why scientific diagrams look like poo poo and convey knowledge like poo poo interesting link, but has nothing to do with what i'm saying. your brain must be misfiring. FamDav posted:its not. maybe at the lowest rung of promotions your impact is primarily measured in raw code contribution, but beyond that your impact is measured in your ability to contribute to and lead at various levels of abstraction (multiple teams, an entire org, multiple orgs, the entire business). as you move up this ladder you end spending a lot less time coding and much more time designing, discussing, reviewing, and just helping people be better. these all involve a significant social component and more understanding of the overall business impact of your designs and decisions. you must be an absoute dunce if you think those skills such as leadership are developed through poo poo like desultory socialising. learn to read people's posts, i never claimed these exact social skills aren't important. but perhaps you can give me an example of someone attaining these specific skills relevant only to a tech position through partying with friends and going on dinner dates. there are better ways to impart these skills. and instead of the morons talking about "social skills" as if it's not a massive loving edifice. talk specifics, and then you'll realize the the specific social skills a programmer needs are easily taught without nonsensical "solutions" like forcing them to be more social or some other stupid poo poo. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Mar 9, 2018 12:33
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Having no friends doesnt make you a better dev
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Mar 9, 2018 13:59
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Fututor Magnus posted:you should suck my balls, you're probably better at that than responding to people's arguments. i get it you feel bad about the uncomfortable truths about being a programmer and what you must do to be a successful one. I'm pretty a pretty successful programmer already. Throughout my career social skills have been the number 1 thing I've had to improve to progress. My natural inclination is to keep my head down and just do really good work, but early in my career I constantly watched less capable engineers get promoted ahead of me because they were better known. You're going to have a much harder time getting promoted by someone who doesn't know you than you are by someone who likes you. Five minutes of being friendly and asking your director about their kids or whatever once a week will do a lot for your career. I'm pretty sure you're just trolling, but it's pretty  for you to be angrily insulting everyone who thinks you are wrong while talking about other people feeling bad about uncomfortable truths
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Mar 9, 2018 14:37
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raminasi posted:Having no friends doesn’t make you a better dev It does make you a sad brains dev though. 
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Doctor w-rw-rw- posted:With that said, very few people have Android+iOS experience worth a drat so you probably have a good chance at getting a job that asks for both if you're strong in one, and it's probably good for your career, even if it can be pretty stressful to debug and support Android devices. android dev is the only thing i've ever seen someon throw a laptop over. make sure you have a frustration outlets.
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Fututor Magnus posted:uncomfortable truths Laughing my loving rear end off here. You aren't the guy trying to warn everyone that the sky is falling, you're the one that shows up to every protest rally screaming about how all politicians are secretly lizard people and dolphins did 9/11.
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He might not be trolling. I was thinking similarly like that earlier in my career. I mean look at Linus, he is pretty successful and respected by his peers and he certainly is lacking in the social skill department. I was looking at the guy and I told myself that I didn't need to pamper other people feel because if you are technically good then that's enough to be successful. Thing is, guys like Linus are one in a million. Even then, lots of people despise him and the way he behaves himself. If Linus was an anon in a random company, I doubt he would have gone very far with the attitude he has. You are most certainly not a one in a million guy Fututor Magnus, otherwise you'd have already posted on some mailing list about a new OS you are playing with and you'd already have a following. The way you behave yourself is immature at best, I understand that you'd wish the world worked like you posted but the hard truth is people like likable people that is just how humans are. Being likable and behaving yourself cordially with your co-worker you make you climb corporate ladder because other will like you, recommend you, and they will want to work with you. I've personally conducted an interview where the candidate was very skilled, better than all the other candidates we had interviewed for the job, but he smelled bad and he was communicating weirdly and gave so much red flag concerning his attitude that we rejected him for a less skilled candidate. His CV was full of short stint at multiple companies and his attributed this to bad luck... This was only for an interview for a mid-senior technical position and we refused him based on his lack of social skill because he would have been a nightmare to work with. Imagine we had hired him, he would probably have been secluded to only ever programming and he would never have made it up the ladder. That's just a personal anecdote and I'm certainly not the most successful programmer ever but I'm happy, I'm paid well (for my region) and I work on interestings projects with a team that is enjoyable to work with. Maybe you are just trolling too, and I lost 10 minutes typing this ? 
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"I'm not going to apologize for being unlikeable, my technical chops speak for themselves" is like a top 5 nerd pathology, and the main reason engineers have a reputation of being insufferable assholes.
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