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Elias_Maluco
Aug 23, 2007
I need to sleep

NoNotTheMindProbe posted:

If you like time travel shenanigans you should check out 12 Monkeys. It focuses less on relationships and beliefs and more on turning it's plot and timeline into a spaghetti mess of causality loops.

I started this series yesterday and so far.. it seems kinda bad? Mediocre actors, bad dialogue, weak characters and the plot seems to move way too fast

Ive only watched the first 2 episodes and that was my impression. Does it gets any better?

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Cyberpunkey Monkey
Jun 23, 2003

by Nyc_Tattoo
I almost don't want to admit this, but Pretty Little Liars is good.

Kabuki Shipoopi
Jun 22, 2007

If I fall, you don't get the head, right? If you lose the head, you're fucked!

Man in the High Castle just got a season 3 release date! (According to my Twee account anyways) 6/1/2018 :dance:

Drunk Driver Dad
Feb 18, 2005
How did you like season 2? I thought season 1 was pretty good, although I'm still not sure what was going on. Was Hitler the man in the High Castle?, What exactly was the point of those films, where did they come from? I do most of my TV watching as I'm drifting off to sleep so I could just be an idiot. At some point I will give season 2 a watch, I just wanted a break from it.

Kabuki Shipoopi
Jun 22, 2007

If I fall, you don't get the head, right? If you lose the head, you're fucked!

Drunk Driver Dad posted:

How did you like season 2? I thought season 1 was pretty good, although I'm still not sure what was going on. Was Hitler the man in the High Castle?, What exactly was the point of those films, where did they come from? I do most of my TV watching as I'm drifting off to sleep so I could just be an idiot. At some point I will give season 2 a watch, I just wanted a break from it.

I thought it was great! The films we're from a dimension like ours where we won the war, and they were being used as propaganda to fight against the Nazis. Abendsen, (guy who played Milton in Office Space) is the man in the high castle. In the book, he is an author with a banned book. Here, he is some sort of keeper of knowledge from another dimension.

This is an incredibly well written show, and the way they compare and contrast both our actual history, and the fictional one they've created, is amazing. The similarities are really scary. America was already super hosed up back then, and seeing it having been Nazified would make me even more terrified to live in a German controlled America. It seems almost too accurate.

NoNotTheMindProbe
Aug 9, 2010
pony porn was here

Elias_Maluco posted:

I started this series yesterday and so far.. it seems kinda bad? Mediocre actors, bad dialogue, weak characters and the plot seems to move way too fast

Ive only watched the first 2 episodes and that was my impression. Does it gets any better?

The characters and acting improves as the series goes on but it never relents from the breakneck plot speed. They pack a crazy amount of stuff in 13 episodes which is where most of the fun of the series comes from.

Elias_Maluco
Aug 23, 2007
I need to sleep

NoNotTheMindProbe posted:

The characters and acting improves as the series goes on but it never relents from the breakneck plot speed. They pack a crazy amount of stuff in 13 episodes which is where most of the fun of the series comes from.

I watched another 2 yesterday. The initial impression holds, but is kinda fun anyway, and I love time travel shenanigans. I will watch the rest of the season, at least

Kabuki Shipoopi
Jun 22, 2007

If I fall, you don't get the head, right? If you lose the head, you're fucked!

It's not bad at first, the whole thing seems to unravel the longer the show goes on. Characters make ridiculous decisions and the plot becomes pretty absurd. The first two seasons are fun though.

Thwomp
Apr 10, 2003

BA-DUHHH

Grimey Drawer
I've been a big fan of Corporate which wraps up its first season this Wednesday on Comedy Central.

It's a dark-humor Office Space for the 21st century corporate world. I vacillate between being incredibly amused by it and horrified by how closely is hits home.

The two leads are also the creators but the supporting cast is amazing, especially Adam Lustick as John who steals every scene he's in. Just so funny.

Gunshow Poophole
Sep 14, 2008

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So i realized season 2 of The Expanse is streaming free on amazon and rewatched the first and then the entire second season over the last week or two.

It's real fuckin good. Real good. Especially because apparently the producers were allowed to ditch the profanity filter most of the way thru season 1, so the writing actually adapted for the entirety of the second season and makes several characters muuuuch more expressive. Like avasarala. Whose entire gig is swearing.

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CeeJee
Dec 4, 2001
Oven Wrangler

Drunk Driver Dad posted:

How did you like season 2? I thought season 1 was pretty good, although I'm still not sure what was going on. Was Hitler the man in the High Castle?, What exactly was the point of those films, where did they come from? I do most of my TV watching as I'm drifting off to sleep so I could just be an idiot. At some point I will give season 2 a watch, I just wanted a break from it.

I just finished season 1 and somehow found myself rooting for the side that includes Hitler

Fritz Coldcockin
Nov 7, 2005
About to start Mad Men. Anything I should know?

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Alter Ego posted:

About to start Mad Men. Anything I should know?

The first episode has some lines that are a bit on-the-nose about the setting ("it's not like there's some magic machine that makes identical copies of things"), but they drop that pretty quickly.

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Sep 14, 2008

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The first season is Mad Boring. Spends a lot of time being like "People in the 50s did things like THIS" which I guess was... awareness- provoking at the time?

Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013

Alter Ego posted:

About to start Mad Men. Anything I should know?

It's very very good, and is secretly a lot, lot funnier than its reputation. Probably because it takes a while to get there. But when it does get there -- Season 4 is when I noticed it, but it could very well have been earlier -- the show becomes this totally amazing, completely unpredictable melange of stuff that is both utterly strange but also very very grounded. You never really know what you're going to get from one episode to the next, but despite that the quality never lets up and it's an amazing ride through to the end.

I think it's pretty good.

Hot Dog Day #82
Jul 5, 2003

Soiled Meat
Has anyone ever tried Billions? My amazon fire stick is trying to push me to watch it. I really like the leading actors, so I’ll probably give it a shot, but I don’t know anyone who has watched it (or even talked about it before).

Matt Zerella
Oct 7, 2002

Norris'es are back baby. It's good again. Awoouu (fox Howl)

Hot Dog Day #82 posted:

Has anyone ever tried Billions? My amazon fire stick is trying to push me to watch it. I really like the leading actors, so I’ll probably give it a shot, but I don’t know anyone who has watched it (or even talked about it before).

It's great. And this is coming from someone who wants to see wall st sent to the guillotines.

Thwomp
Apr 10, 2003

BA-DUHHH

Grimey Drawer

Alter Ego posted:

About to start Mad Men. Anything I should know?

As others have said, it takes a while to get really going. And it doesn’t help it’s case when nearly all of its main characters are awful people.

That said, it’s absolutely worth getting through the early parts as it builds up the characters and stories.

Fritz Coldcockin
Nov 7, 2005

Thwomp posted:

As others have said, it takes a while to get really going. And it doesn’t help it’s case when nearly all of its main characters are awful people.

That said, it’s absolutely worth getting through the early parts as it builds up the characters and stories.

It doesn't help that Peggy and Helen are the only characters I don't already hate. Don Draper is despicable.

Mu Zeta
Oct 17, 2002

Me crush ass to dust

Billions is a really dull show pretending to be edgy. The very first scene in the show is a woman peeing on a guy in a sexual way and that kind of encapsulates the whole show right there.

STAC Goat
Mar 12, 2008

Watching you sleep.

Butt first, let's
check the feeds.

Alter Ego posted:

It doesn't help that Peggy and Helen are the only characters I don't already hate. Don Draper is despicable.

Nope, you're pretty much on course with everyone else. That fact that you don't kind of hate Peggy too is probably a good sign. Some people just don't like anyway at this stage.

Solice Kirsk
Jun 1, 2004

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Mu Zeta posted:

Billions is a really dull show pretending to be edgy. The very first scene in the show is a woman peeing on a guy in a sexual way and that kind of encapsulates the whole show right there.

Yup, I tried two or three times to get into it, and it is just painfully boring and formulaic. It's like throwing a bunch of cayenne pepper into Kraft Mac and Cheese and telling people you're an amazing chef with no self realization.

Escobarbarian
Jun 18, 2004


Grimey Drawer
My Mad Men take is that seasons 2-3 stagger a little bit after the near-perfect s1 but then from the season 3 finale to the end is why I consider it one of the best shows ever made

Elias_Maluco
Aug 23, 2007
I need to sleep

Matt Zerella posted:

It's great. And this is coming from someone who wants to see wall st sent to the guillotines.

:same:

my impression of it is basically the opposite of what the above posters said. I found it really amazing

yeah I eat ass
Mar 14, 2005

only people who enjoy my posting can replace this avatar
I've been rewatching Suits lately. I hope it's OK not to use spoilers because it ended a while ago, but just in case there is a person who exists that hasn't seen the show and actually wants to for some reason, don't read past this.

God drat I forgot how bad the last two seasons were. Everything about them is awful. I don't give a poo poo about the love life of Louis Litt, I'm sick of Mike+Rachel dragging their wedding plot out as long as possible, I don't care about harvey's mommy issues. Them trying to "soften" all the formerly interesting characters is just painful to watch.

Also that has to be the most understaffed tv show prison in history, maybe short of only the orange is the new black one. They only pop out of nowhere when the plot requires, otherwise everyone's just walking around with cell phones and doing whatever they want.

And worst of all: the Donna plot. The Donna of the first few seasons knew what she was and was happy with it, she'd never be so silly to suggest that she should be a senior partner in a law firm. It'd be like the secretary at an academic institution thinking they should be able to become a tenured professor. Being vital to the success of the company/university/whatever doesn't make you qualified to do a completely different job. Also the loving "The Donna" subplot. Who thought that was a good idea? It's like someone realized the Donna to Senior Partner plot was loving stupid and slapped that together just to have the scene where she gets "put back in her place" when she overhears the investors talking poo poo about her.

This piece of poo poo show should have ended the second Mike went to prison.

mystes
May 31, 2006

I feel like shows like suits exist in this sort of uncanny valley between pure procedurals and shows with an actual ongoing plot that doesn't quite work.

Mu Zeta
Oct 17, 2002

Me crush ass to dust

USA shows let you watch pretty people do stuff while you turn off your brain

Also there's a Suits spinoff starring Zoe.

mystes
May 31, 2006

Mu Zeta posted:

USA shows let you watch pretty people do stuff while you turn off your brain

Also there's a Suits spinoff starring Zoe.
Sorry I ninja edited my post to try to make it marginally more substantive, but what you were responding to was probably

quote:

I never really understood the appeal of either Suits or Other Show That's Basically Suits.

Mu Zeta
Oct 17, 2002

Me crush ass to dust

Yeah the other show that could also be called Suits is about the FBI, but they call it White Collar. And they really are making another Suits show about lawyers.

yeah I eat ass
Mar 14, 2005

only people who enjoy my posting can replace this avatar

Mu Zeta posted:

Yeah the other show that could also be called Suits is about the FBI, but they call it White Collar. And they really are making another Suits show about lawyers.

I at least liked White Collar and it definitely didn't have the dragging on forever with nothing of substance happening like Suits does. Also the main characters are somewhat likeable.

THey are both pretty similar though in the fact that they all would have been fired from their jobs before ever reaching their senior positions in real life.

sticklefifer
Nov 11, 2003

by VideoGames
I never got past season 1 of Babylon 5, so I'm going back through it all now.

The CGI's dated but it's charming in a Wing Commander sort of way. Sinclair's pretty wooden, but I know he's replaced in season 2 so I'm looking forward to that.


NoNotTheMindProbe posted:

If you like time travel shenanigans you should check out 12 Monkeys. It focuses less on relationships and beliefs and more on turning it's plot and timeline into a spaghetti mess of causality loops.
One thing I really like about 12 Monkeys is that it solves the problem of having the cast in the future doing nothing while they're waiting for the people they sent back to the past to return, via the "real-time tether" mechanic: Those who go back in time are "tethered" to the future , so time passes at a 1:1 ratio and there are often conflicts and problems in both time periods. The show gets a bit muddy like any time travel show, but so far it's been a really fun ride. Next season is the final one since they always planned for it to be 4 seasons, so if you want to catch up for it, now's the time.

Fritz Coldcockin
Nov 7, 2005

STAC Goat posted:

Nope, you're pretty much on course with everyone else. That fact that you don't kind of hate Peggy too is probably a good sign. Some people just don't like anyway at this stage.

I mean, I feel like in a show that's pretty much all about the toxic masculinity of the 1960s that I should sympathize with the women, but some of them--especially the steno pool at Sterling-Cooper--are so gossipy and judgmental that I find myself disliking them almost as much as I hate the greaseball ad execs.

All that aside, it's a really well-done show with great production value, and while Don Draper's a horrible person, Jon Hamm does a really excellent job.

Escobarbarian
Jun 18, 2004


Grimey Drawer
Yeah being gossipy is just as bad as being a raging sexist

Fritz Coldcockin
Nov 7, 2005

Escobarbarian posted:

Yeah being gossipy is just as bad as being a raging sexist

I, uh, didn't say that, but you do you.

STAC Goat
Mar 12, 2008

Watching you sleep.

Butt first, let's
check the feeds.

I get what you're saying. Joan is basically the queen bee of all the sexist stuff and the gatekeeper to keep all the women knowing their roles in the office and world. She's gossipy, she judges Peggy for her appearance and other girls for their behavior, she's sleeping with the married boss, and she's basically Peggy's gatekeeper for what she's supposed to be and isn't before Don elevates her.

But Joan's clearly a victim of those standards who is capable of being so much more but in a world where she's told she can't she's just become the best at what she's told women are supposed to be and becomes a tool of the patriarchy. When Peggy breaks the glass ceiling it basically overturns Joan's whole world view and sense of self.

But you don't really like her early on. Because she's not very likable until you get to know her struggles and she starts to grow.

sassassin
Apr 3, 2010

by Azathoth

yeah I eat rear end posted:

I at least liked White Collar and it definitely didn't have the dragging on forever with nothing of substance happening like Suits does. Also the main characters are somewhat likeable.

Every single character in Suits is a vile person. Honestly just terrible.

Wallet
Jun 19, 2006

Someone mentioned Britannia up-thread and I, unfortunately, decided to watch it. It seems like the plan was to make a campy show in a quazi-historical setting until an executive somewhere decided to burden the project with an actual budget. I'm not sure who Britannia's intended audience is, as the writing is fit for children but it's full of tits and gore.

Still, if an incredibly predictable chosen-one narrative mixed with YA-fiction tier drama penned by aging hippies who do all of their own post effects sounds appealing—and I suppose that it might to some people—Britannia is the show for the job.

Wafflecopper
Nov 27, 2004

I am a mouth, and I must scream

:drat:

yeah I eat ass
Mar 14, 2005

only people who enjoy my posting can replace this avatar

Wallet posted:

Someone mentioned Britannia up-thread and I, unfortunately, decided to watch it. It seems like the plan was to make a campy show in a quazi-historical setting until an executive somewhere decided to burden the project with an actual budget. I'm not sure who Britannia's intended audience is, as the writing is fit for children but it's full of tits and gore.

Still, if an incredibly predictable chosen-one narrative mixed with YA-fiction tier drama penned by aging hippies who do all of their own post effects sounds appealing—and I suppose that it might to some people—Britannia is the show for the job.

Is it anything like The Tudors, if you have seen that? If so i'd probably like it.

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sassassin
Apr 3, 2010

by Azathoth

Wallet posted:

Someone mentioned Britannia up-thread and I, unfortunately, decided to watch it. It seems like the plan was to make a campy show in a quazi-historical setting until an executive somewhere decided to burden the project with an actual budget. I'm not sure who Britannia's intended audience is, as the writing is fit for children but it's full of tits and gore.

Still, if an incredibly predictable chosen-one narrative mixed with YA-fiction tier drama penned by aging hippies who do all of their own post effects sounds appealing—and I suppose that it might to some people—Britannia is the show for the job.

It's godawful and I'm embarrassed for anyone who likes it.

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