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Where’s the pic of the Savage or Vader heads? Those have to be AWFUL.
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Wise Fwom Yo Gwave posted:Where’s the pic of the Savage or Vader heads? Those have to be AWFUL. https://wcwworldwide.com/2016/07/weird-merch-wcw-hero-heads/ WCW Worldwide did an article on them awhile ago, you can see Vader there. The actual production runs for Sting and Hogan were different. Macho was never produced.
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Mar 3, 2018 21:19
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MassRafTer posted:https://wcwworldwide.com/2016/07/weird-merch-wcw-hero-heads/ Oh my, that Vader is 
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Mar 3, 2018 21:48
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Wise Fwom Yo Gwave posted:Oh my, that Vader is I did a GIS and as I scrolled by I confused Vader's actual headshot for one of these toys. Dude was capable of some extremely cartoony faces.
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Mar 3, 2018 21:49
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I guess my wonder is: would the Macho head have had a hat, or a bandana in that era?
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Mar 3, 2018 23:08
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Wise Fwom Yo Gwave posted:I guess my wonder is: would the Macho head have had a hat, or a bandana in that era? Definitely hat. Somehow the actual Sting head looks better than the mock-up.
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Mar 4, 2018 00:43
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The Vader one looks like a puppet on Lazy Town.
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Mar 4, 2018 01:50
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MassRafTer posted:A few of those numbers are a bit on the high side. Road Wild 99 came right after the Hogan return in the red and yellow and Halloween Havoc had some interest due to it being Russo's first PPV. But didn't Hogan's contract basically gobble up any profit the company could have made from it until 1996 or so? I had heard that he was basically only paying for himself. Especially considering WCW was excruciatingly terrible at merchandising during this period, and Hogan didn't work the house shows, brother.
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Mar 4, 2018 02:05
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Shiki Dan posted:But didn't Hogan's contract basically gobble up any profit the company could have made from it until 1996 or so? They turned a very small profit in 95. He had a great deal but the company was still bringing in more money from Hogan than they paid him until 2000.
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Mar 4, 2018 03:24
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I love early 1994 WCW but everything I've heard made it seem like they would have died without Hogan.
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Mar 5, 2018 18:21
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MassRafTer posted:They turned a very small profit in 95. He had a great deal but the company was still bringing in more money from Hogan than they paid him until 2000. Hogan was still getting partially paid off by another division of Time Warner at that time wasn't he?
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Mar 5, 2018 18:29
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exploded mummy posted:Hogan was still getting partially paid off by another division of Time Warner at that time wasn't he? Yes.
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Mar 5, 2018 18:52
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Death of WCW had some bits implying that bringing in Hogan spurred some of the soaring unnecessary production costs, but I don't know how true that is.
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Mar 6, 2018 20:58
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I think the biggest deal was how much Hogan got percentage-wise on every PPV he appeared in. Which wasn't a big deal when they were ultra successful, but was really bad once they started hitting sub 1.0 buyrates. As Meltzer has gone into exhaustively, all the contracts were fine when the company was making money. But once things collapsed they collapsed so thoroughly and so rapidly that even if every wrestler on the roster was working for free they would still lose millions upon millions of dollars. I just finished a re-read of the Observers from 99-2001 and it's amazing how fast it all fell apart. But given the way they let talent blow off house shows and delivered awful television, it's also completely unsurprising and inevitable.
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Mar 6, 2018 23:57
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Halloween Jack posted:Death of WCW had some bits implying that bringing in Hogan spurred some of the soaring unnecessary production costs, but I don't know how true that is. That sounds more like Bischoff is to blame than Hogan: Eric was a guy frequently quoted as saying "It's Ted Turner's money, not mine".
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Mar 7, 2018 00:04
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what always got me is how fast wrestling changed back then. compare RAW or Nitro from 1995 to 1998 and think how little has changed in WWE in the last ten years comparatively
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Mar 7, 2018 00:10
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Feels Villeneuve posted:what always got me is how fast wrestling changed back then. compare RAW or Nitro from 1995 to 1998 and think how little has changed in WWE in the last ten years comparatively Competition is probably why things changed so much, I'd think. Instead of taking to twitter, Dolph would have just gone to WCW long ago.
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Mar 7, 2018 00:17
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Feels Villeneuve posted:what always got me is how fast wrestling changed back then. compare RAW or Nitro from 1995 to 1998 and think how little has changed in WWE in the last ten years comparatively Yeah but it was also bizarre compared to the previous decade. Most stuff from the early 90s feels like the 80s weren't allowed to die.
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Mar 7, 2018 00:30
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Halloween Jack posted:Death of WCW had some bits implying that bringing in Hogan spurred some of the soaring unnecessary production costs, but I don't know how true that is. I think they paid some huge sum of money just to have him walk to the ring to Jimi Hendrix 'Voodoo Chile', only to have Mike Tenay call the song 'Voodoo Chilli'.
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Mar 7, 2018 23:27
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Say Nothing posted:I think they paid some huge sum of money just to have him walk to the ring to Jimi Hendrix 'Voodoo Chile', only to have Mike Tenay call the song 'Voodoo Chilli'. It was Voodoo Child (Slight Return) and it was Tony Schiavone who screwed it up. Also they paid $1,000,000 for the rights and it was worth it because his entrance was incredible.
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Mar 8, 2018 02:31
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MassRafTer posted:It was Voodoo Child (Slight Return) and it was Tony Schiavone who screwed it up. According to random message board and reddit posts a lot of people remember it as Tenay, as I did. The radio verson of the song is voodoo child (slight return) but there was an older cut called voodoo chile and I can only imagine that's what it said on the announcer's notes because how else could they possibly pronounce it "chili"?
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Mar 8, 2018 02:44
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titties posted:According to random message board and reddit posts a lot of people remember it as Tenay, as I did. They are two different songs from a very famous album. Given that people to this day don't know the difference it's not that weird. Could have been Mike but I remembered it being Tony. MassRafTer fucked around with this message at 02:55 on Mar 8, 2018 |
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Mar 8, 2018 02:50
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There's a laundry list of dumb poo poo WCW wasted money on with no return whatsoever. They mangled and botched so many things. Utterly frivolous spending. Insane. Irresponsible. Spending money on Voodoo Child was not one of them. The song rules so much it made a balding old rear end leather tanned Hogan strumming a belt like a guitar WORK.
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Mar 8, 2018 04:48
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Hogan coming out to Voodoo Child is one of the greatest pieces of entrance + music ever done and it infuriates me that the Network redubbed all of those entrances with the stock nWo theme
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Mar 8, 2018 05:06
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THE BIGGEST ICON IN WRESTLING
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Mar 8, 2018 05:20
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Halloween Jack posted:Yeah but it was also bizarre compared to the previous decade. Most stuff from the early 90s feels like the 80s weren't allowed to die. Not really. The 80's were very different during the 1st half compared to the 2nd half of the decade. Pre 85-86 it was still very much dark smokey arenas featuring local guys in black trunks and porn staches. WWF especially changed massively between 86 and 89. At wrestlemania 3 you had king kong bundy fighting midgets, which was very old school carny. By 89 you had cartoon gimmicks everywhere, with bright lighting and great production values for the time.
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Mar 8, 2018 07:37
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Yeah seriously, WCW made plenty of dumb mistakes (a gigantic list of them that blots out the sun, in fact) but giving Hogan Voodoo Child was not one of them.
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Mar 8, 2018 07:38
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I was at a party and 4 people in 3 rooms independently pulled our belts off and started playing when voodoo child came on. It was pretty dumb. Everyone clapped, but in the way you clap at a 5 year old that tells you to watch them do a trick and they fall on their face
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Mar 8, 2018 08:01
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Say Nothing posted:I think they paid some huge sum of money just to have him walk to the ring to Jimi Hendrix 'Voodoo Chile', only to have Mike Tenay call the song 'Voodoo Chilli'. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81BbT4gaB4w Worth it.
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Mar 8, 2018 08:48
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In somewhat better quality https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHqBPw5HYDU Also holy poo poo the comments on that first video quote:We used to go to the nwo website and print off the logo and paste them up all over the hallways and in classrooms. One day we went to math class and we stuck some up on the wall and told a girl to write 'buff is the stuff' on the blackboard. The teacher who was in the classroom before us had forgotten something and came back in and saw what we had done and said 'I wondered who was doing this!!' and she was pissed. Then she opened her bag and pulled out a bunch of nwo posters we had stuck up earlier and held them up and said 'this is gang activity!!!'
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Mar 8, 2018 09:15
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Fuccck I thought she was going to show them her nWo stuff and 2 Sweet them 
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Mar 8, 2018 09:20
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RZApublican posted:We used to go to the nwo website and print off the logo and paste them up all over the hallways and in classrooms. One day we went to math class and we stuck some up on the wall and told a girl to write 'buff is the stuff' on the blackboard. The teacher who was in the classroom before us had forgotten something and came back in and saw what we had done and said 'I wondered who was doing this!!' and she was pissed. Then she opened her bag and pulled out a bunch of nwo posters we had stuck up earlier and held them up and said 'this is gang activity!!!' She called the principal down to the class to report it, and when the principal showed up, he acted like we were all in trouble, but then took off his jacket and button up shirt to reveal an nWo t-shirt then 2-sweeted the whole class. And that principal's name was Albert Einstein.
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Mar 8, 2018 14:28
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Takuan posted:She called the principal down to the class to report it, and when the principal showed up, he acted like we were all in trouble, but then took off his jacket and button up shirt to reveal an nWo t-shirt then 2-sweeted the whole class. needed a chair shot from nowhere.
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Mar 8, 2018 14:42
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I like them all two sweeting after getting out of the car despite having been together in the car for awhile. I hope they constantly two sweeted each other in the car.
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Mar 8, 2018 18:38
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Bischoff being part of that group was so puzzling back when I didn’t know the behind the scenes and is still pretty puzzling even now He actively makes that entrance less cool
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Mar 9, 2018 19:28
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wyoak posted:Bischoff being part of that group was so puzzling back when I didn’t know the behind the scenes and is still pretty puzzling even now I recently found out the theme he used at Starrcade was a cut from Desperado by Tito and the Tarantulas. So he's not just making other wrestlers less cool, but other non-related media less cool by his dorky association.
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Mar 9, 2018 20:07
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wyoak posted:Bischoff being part of that group was so puzzling back when I didn’t know the behind the scenes and is still pretty puzzling even now It's called "mid life crisis"
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Mar 9, 2018 21:57
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exploded mummy posted:It's called "mid life crisis"
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wyoak posted:Bischoff being part of that group was so puzzling back when I didn’t know the behind the scenes and is still pretty puzzling even now Bischoff running around as Hogan's little toadie, holding the mic for him and treating him like a god is incredible. Hogan's act isn't supposed to actually be cool, it is supposed to be something he thinks is cool. Nash/Hall and later the Wolfpac were supposed to be cool and can be judged on this merit.
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Tato posted:There's a laundry list of dumb poo poo WCW wasted money on with no return whatsoever. They mangled and botched so many things. Utterly frivolous spending. Insane. Irresponsible. You might even say they got a slight return on Voodoo Child
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