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The problem I find the No Superman Superman show, is that unlike Batman, his villains are generally people with powers that are pretty god tier. Not to mention as others have said, I don't really want another show winking at us pretending its an easter egg. Also, there's a perfect, but tiny, Superman on Supergirl! Why not just make a spin off from that? I am defiantly at the saturation point of DC TV shows.
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Metropolis show without Superman feels like a concept that could work as a short-run one-off series* where Superman is only seen on television sets and flying overhead in a few scenes and it's about how various folks live in the shadow and aftermath of his existence. A person whose kid has repeatedly injured himself trying to emulate the powers of Superman. A group of criminals trying to figure out how to keep being crooks when you've got Superman seeing and hearing everything (a growing sideplot of them planning a complicated caper to go down at any given moment when they know he's busy with some crisis hundreds/thousands of miles away). Some guy who is a Superman lookalike who appears at parties doing tricks with props. Etc. You could do them all as stories that cross paths with one another. *This might work as a Youtube fanseries or something
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JediTalentAgent posted:Metropolis show without Superman feels like a concept that could work as a short-run one-off series* where Superman is only seen on television sets and flying overhead in a few scenes and it's about how various folks live in the shadow and aftermath of his existence. Naturally the lookalike would happen to be in the bank on the day the crooks try to rob it.
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Feb 5, 2018 01:44
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Bruceski posted:Naturally the lookalike would happen to be in the bank on the day the crooks try to rob it. And get shot to death in front of the kid who thinks Superman is indestructable. (But yeah, he'd be in there to deposit a check as the robbery was going on because that seems like a goofy sort of Silver Age thing.) But in all honesty I'm thinking of a kind of show that would mix a bit of lighthearted wonder and depressing reality about being in a world where a literal Superman exists and have some vignettes on how people live in that IF you're doing a show without Superman in it but set in Metropolis. The person who has lost every job they've had in the last 5 years because they've been unlucky enough to be around and waylaid by some Superman related event that got them fired for being late too often. The people who are obsessed with Superman collectibles or the man himself. A survivor of someone who Superman didn't save trying to cope with what made their spouse so unremarkable to be ignored. Etc. JediTalentAgent fucked around with this message at 02:38 on Feb 5, 2018 |
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Feb 5, 2018 02:31
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This kind of speculation is fun and all, but isn't the series set prior to Superman's arrival in Metropolis? He'd still be under the radar in Smallville. It'd be the equivalent of Gotham -- the show -- if Bruce Wayne wasn't there full stop.
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Feb 5, 2018 03:54
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Can we jump ahead to season 2 of Metropolis where the showrunners give up and just go "okay fine, here's Lois fighting Mr. Mxyzptlk and Lex is gay for yet another TV version of Solomon Grundy"
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Feb 5, 2018 04:20
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Mameluke posted:Lex is gay for yet another TV version of Solomon Grundy"
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Feb 5, 2018 04:32
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Open Source Idiom posted:This kind of speculation is fun and all, but isn't the series set prior to Superman's arrival in Metropolis? He'd still be under the radar in Smallville. Yeah, but that's what I mean by if you're doing a Superman-centric story without Superman there. Doing a Metropolis story before Superman's arrival in the city sounds just a bit like it doesn't matter because Metropolis to me never felt like a city full of secrets, problems and mystery like Gotham does. If this is Metropolis before Superman, it probably just needs to be a Luthor-centric story in that case, which it sounds like it's going to be. But in that case, I think it maybe should be a bit of a "rise of Luthor" who elevating himself to the most powerful man in Metropolis before Superman shows up. Maybe they'll be able to spin it into a show about the bleeding-edge developments in science, the power of business and the morality and ethics of both. But I don't know if they're going to go to the Wealthy Lex Luthor-Evil Businessman/Genius well, again. It's been done a lot over the last 30+ years. If it's he and Lois, I really suspect it will fall into being a 'Young Lex, only-slightly-arrogant outsider 20-something supergenius mad scientist' who has little business ambition. At some point by the second season, I suspect they'll introduce a non-Superman Clark Kent in some capacity.
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Feb 5, 2018 04:56
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They had to make it pre-Superman or they couldn't merge the two shows later, having Bruce and Clark teamups. Despite the wildly different tones and aims of their shows.
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Feb 5, 2018 07:34
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Hey, reminder that this is back tonight with Jerome showing up again.
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Mar 2, 2018 00:44
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muscles like this! posted:Hey, reminder that this is back tonight with Jerome showing up again. Thanks, friend. I had thought next week for some reason
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Mar 2, 2018 01:37
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Ivy eehhhhhh Gray Ghost Mad Bomber? hmmmmm and then everybody stood up and clapped. edit: and then everybody stood up and clapped again 
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Mar 2, 2018 02:11
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Whelp, kind of odd that all the promotional stuff was making a big deal about Jerome and finally doing something about the Joker and he wasn't in the episode at all. Also recasting Ivy yet again came across as really weird. Like why did they bother recasting in the first place if they didn't like the actress?
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Mar 3, 2018 02:24
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Gordon: [He's] a toymaker but also an assassin. Nygma: (laughs) ... that is so Gotham.
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Mar 3, 2018 20:56
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tarlibone posted:Gordon: [He's] a toymaker but also an assassin. I thought of suggesting some version of this for thread title but didn't come up with anything great. Loved it, though.
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Mar 3, 2018 22:40
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The Bloop posted:I thought of suggesting some version of this for thread title but didn't come up with anything great. Loved it, though. How married are we to the standard thread title format? A Toy Maker but Also an assassin? That's so Gotham, Season 4.
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tarlibone posted:How married are we to the standard thread title format? Looks great to me, but then I'm not a professional toy maker or an assassin.
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Okay. so.. I don't get why they keep saying Jerome isn't the Joker, or whatever ambiguous answers they've given. He's the loving Joker, he does it well why try to pull some trick and make someone else the Joker. e: I'm saying the trick is completely possible I just don't want it, Jerome rules.
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Mar 9, 2018 03:07
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Yeah, honestly if they pull a new Joker he'll never be as good as Jerome.
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Mar 9, 2018 03:14
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It's their own fault for casting Cameron Monaghan as the NotJoker.
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“Jim, in my vision, I saw you. You had a mustache.” “That must’ve been a really dangerous toxin.”
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Mar 9, 2018 07:40
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Lori Petty was awesome as the not-Joker
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Mar 9, 2018 10:21
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Its kind of funny how terrible his first appearance way back in season 1.
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Davros1 posted:Lori Petty was awesome as the not-Joker See that's the thing, they should do more episodes with other not-Joker figures like her, so they can milk the idea of the Joker being some viral evil while also just letting him be Cameron Monaghan at the end.
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Mar 10, 2018 03:45
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Ha, and they said we'd never have Batman show up in the series. LIARS.
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mcbexx posted:Ha, and they said we'd never have Batman show up in the series. This is what drew me to watch this again. It was nice enough, but it still pisses me off. Mainly because we've had tons of these little teases but never anything substantial. It seems like a build-up to a repeat of when Bruce got kidnapped by Jerome, but this time the Bat is going to be involved in some way.
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mcbexx posted:Ha, and they said we'd never have Batman show up in the series. That was dark cape man who exploded into bats that one time It's not like he had the ears or said Batman catch phrases
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Is it just me or has this show become a lot more graphic recently? Not complaining, mind you. Crank that poo poo up to 11.
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mcbexx posted:Is it just me or has this show become a lot more graphic recently? No? I mean, they showed Tabby getting her hand lopped off and focused on her bleeding stump for a good couple of seconds and that was played as comedy. Gotham is kind of a hosed up show.
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Phylodox posted:Gotham is kind of a hosed up show. I really like how unsanitized it is at times
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That hammer scene was way more gruesome than the cheater’s justice scene in Casino. And Casino was an R-rated Scorsese movie. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYa1IsxGVuc
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I love love love how this show has fully leaned into "being a villain ='s being queer as gently caress". I mean, there was Penguin and Fish and Barbara, but now Ivy had that confrontation with Selina where they were inches from kissing, and Ed's apotheosis is basically a coming out story. Pretty much all their major villain heroes are queer now (plus a handful of their guest villains, like Hugo Strange). It's loving beautiful. I think, between this and Hannibal, you could write a decent essay about the taking back of the villainous queer archetype.
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Phylodox posted:No? I mean, they showed Tabby getting her hand lopped off and focused on her bleeding stump for a good couple of seconds and that was played as comedy. It has always been super violent, with characters being shot on screen and multiple people being blown the gently caress up.
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I cracked up at Gordon asking Bullock is Ivy's hair was more auburn or scarlet, and it working. The whole thing of having everyone become who they will become except Bruce is starting to feel weird. Him not becoming Batman feels like its just happening because the writers are holding it back, not for any real story reason.
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Open Source Idiom posted:I love love love how this show has fully leaned into "being a villain ='s being queer as gently caress". I mean, there was Penguin and Fish and Barbara, but now Ivy had that confrontation with Selina where they were inches from kissing, and Ed's apotheosis is basically a coming out story. Pretty much all their major villain heroes are queer now (plus a handful of their guest villains, like Hugo Strange). It's loving beautiful. Penguin is gay. Riddler is queer how, exactly? And Lady Falcone? And while I did get that vibe from Ivy and Selena's close moment, that is just because I'm an old pervert. I haven't seen any other indication that any of them are queer. Other than Penguin, that is. And Babs and Miss Galavant, I guess.
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tarlibone posted:Penguin is gay. Riddler is queer how, exactly? And Lady Falcone? And while I did get that vibe from Ivy and Selena's close moment, that is just because I'm an old pervert. I haven't seen any other indication that any of them are queer. Other than Penguin, that is. And Babs and Miss Galavant, I guess.
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Fish was bi. She seduced that singer and sent her to gently caress with Don Falcone back in season 1. Hugo Strange was screamingly fey. Sure. he never gets it on with anyone, but you don't have to be in order to be gay. Hugo's a classic sissy villain, none of whom hosed or sucked either. Ivy seduces both men and women (though not for sex, shes not a rapist), but the subtext here is that the only person she cares about is Selina. Not that I enjoy appealing to canon, but when both women are queer in the comics it's hard not to see the result here as suggestive. Riddler's queer. Even if we ignore his super earnest love riddle from last season -- though that should be conclusive enough -- you've got his recent arc here. The Riddler's need for Penguin to acknowledge him as an equal and a "true friend" (classic Penguin double speak for crush/boyfriend, used since early season 1) reads to me as sublimated sexual desire, which is only compounded by his need to erase his love for Lee Thompkins from his life. Killing her will finally erase the last spectre of heterosexuality from his life -- his apotheosis as the Riddler is a twisted kind of coming out. That said, Penguin's not gay. He's queer as well -- he had a thing for Sophia Falcone.
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Open Source Idiom posted:Fish was bi. She seduced that singer and sent her to gently caress with Don Falcone back in season 1. OK, I forgot about that. Open Source Idiom posted:Hugo Strange was screamingly fey. Sure. he never gets it on with anyone, but you don't have to be in order to be gay. Hugo's a classic sissy villain, none of whom hosed or sucked either. So he's gay because he's a sissy? I think you're reaching here. There are a lot of heterosexual guys whose lack of traditional masculinity doesn't change the fact that they are only sexually attracted to women. Open Source Idiom posted:Ivy seduces both men and women (though not for sex, shes not a rapist), but the subtext here is that the only person she cares about is Selina. Not that I enjoy appealing to canon, but when both women are queer in the comics it's hard not to see the result here as suggestive. She hypnotizes anyone (hypnotizes? Meh, it's the word they use....) and it always has the exact same effect; she has yet to use this ability for sex or anything close to it, so it's really irrelevant. If she's not harboring any sexual interest in women, then she's neither gay nor bi, and I've yet to see any scenes where she's showing any verifiable interest in other women. Again, I think you're reaching here. Open Source Idiom posted:Riddler's queer. Even if we ignore his super earnest love riddle from last season -- though that should be conclusive enough -- you've got his recent arc here. The Riddler's need for Penguin to acknowledge him as an equal and a "true friend" (classic Penguin double speak for crush/boyfriend, used since early season 1) reads to me as sublimated sexual desire, which is only compounded by his need to erase his love for Lee Thompkins from his life. Killing her will finally erase the last spectre of heterosexuality from his life -- his apotheosis as the Riddler is a twisted kind of coming out. Yeah, just gonna have to flat-out disagree with you here. This is beyond reaching. The non-sexual explanations for Riddler's need for Penguin to acknowledge him make much more sense and requires much less in the way of wild assumption than any theory that he's queer or gay or whatever. Open Source Idiom posted:That said, Penguin's not gay. He's queer as well -- he had a thing for Sophia Falcone. Uhm... no he didn't. She made his mama's goulash and then she rubbed his feet. You might be able to argue that his appreciation of the latter act indicates some bit of sexual attraction, but again, it can just as easily be explained as a purely platonic feeling of closeness and gratitude. I get the feeling it'd be easier for you to list the characters who you don't think are gay or queer or bi or tri or whatever the kids are calling it these days. tarlibone fucked around with this message at 03:49 on Mar 18, 2018 |
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I'm not convinced either, I'm sorry. Subtext and classic archetypal characters have a strong legacy amongst on screen representations of queerness -- it's the love that dares not speak it's name, after all -- and while same sex attraction has certainly made a great deal of strides in terms of what we're allowed to show on screen, I don''t think that legacy has been completely shaken off. (Nor should it be completely abandoned, it's part of a rich tapestry of cinematic queerness). I think it remains to be seen as to whether I'm right, but I know I've been right about this before. I guess we'll see. :  :
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And let's not kid ourselves here. If the creators of Gotham decide to go ahead and make all the villains gay, bi, queer, trans, lesbians, and so on, then we'll have a TV show where all the bad guys are LGBT etc. I'm sure some folks would enjoy that... for about one second. Then there'll be hashtag wars, Twitter battles, pundits on TV, boycotts, counter-boycotts... one day, everyone will be talking about how just because you're gay, that doesn't make you a supervillain, and that the show doing this is sending the wrong message... then there will be examples of heterosexual villains, both fictional and in real-life, and how dare Gotham suggest that bad guys must be gay... then the red pill folks will complain that cisgender, heterosecual whitefolk are under-represented in Gotham's villain's row, which is bad because it demonstrates once again that said cisgender hetero whitefolk are the REAL victims of societal prejudice and discrimination... I mean, do the writers of Gotham want angry letters and protests? Because that [making all of your bad guys gay, bi, queer, etc.] is how you get angry letters and protests.
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