SomethingJones posted:Ben Lesnick played through all of Squadron 42 and Chris Roberts can't even come up with its 2018 roadmap. someone needs to adjust the 4th stimpire lore a bit. Dark Off fucked around with this message at 07:16 on Mar 11, 2018 |
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veiled boner fuel posted:tldr: there isn't any real exploration in SC, it'll be like Eve, at best. "Like EVE" would be a miracle for CIG in any aspect.
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Dark Off posted:that didn't stop them from admitting it in the legal document Hold the loving phone... I thought CIG have only been developing Star Citizen since 2015? What the gently caress is this 5 and a half years (+1 year for prototyping) bullshit?!
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Honestly though its kind of funny that Crytek is seeking a refund of the license and CIG thinks they can pull off the same tactics as they do against their own backers.
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veiled boner fuel posted:tldr: there isn't any real exploration in SC, it'll be like Eve, at best. tbf, exploration is the vaguest mechanic ever so it's perfect for a DREAM BIG project. I'm really curious what specifically people expect exploring to involve when all the current implementations are either "minigame that finds random dungeon" or "drive around empty rock, occasionally find prefab placed in the middle of nowhere"
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Make a Wish Foundation
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# ? Mar 11, 2018 09:43 |
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One thing the backers can't imagine exploring is the possibility of SC not coming out. Chris will deliver beyond the wildest dreams.
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SelenicMartian posted:One thing the backers can't imagine exploring is the possibility of SC not coming out. Chris Roberts cannot fail the backers, the backers can only fail Chris Roberts.
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A Neurotic Corncob posted:She's doing a pretty good Jim Carrey face there. 14 disciples of Christ Robbers (where is he btw, preparing the last supper or what?) Edit: Oh, maybe Ben ate the previous last supper and they have to refactor the pipelines.
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Deathsquid posted:14 disciples of Christ Robbers (where is he btw, preparing the last supper or what?) You have to pay $350 a head to attend the last supper
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For comparison, Judas made $215 in attending the actual Last Supper.
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Sillybones fucked around with this message at 11:03 on Mar 11, 2018 |
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AP posted:The funny bit approaches.
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Streetroller posted:
i like how there's quotes around product, build, and version. https://i.imgur.com/P7IbTEV.mp4
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They can’t be allowed to have all of our previous versions because that would put us at serious risk of having to admit we never fully remove all of the cryengine code from our game, you see.
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Just a note here, The kickstarter ended on Nov 19th, 2012 and according to this document they signed the GLA on Nov 20th, 2012. The way I see this. If CryTek built the demo, pitch, etc. They had no idea if it would go anywhere and formally sold it to Chris/CIG the day after the kickstarter ended (presumably CIG now had the money)
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Dark Off posted:that didn't stop them from admitting it in the legal document Huh. I guess development really didn't start until the Kickstarter ended. Which meant that Chris lied in his Mittani interview. That or they're lying here and know full well that development started a year before the pitch with CryTek. Amazing how much assets like the Hornet and Bengal look like those ships in the teaser video. You know, the one that wasn't part of game development. Is lying in these documents bad?
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Beet Wagon posted:They can’t be allowed to have all of our previous versions because that would put us at serious risk of having to admit we never fully remove all of the cryengine code from our game, you see. Nice FUD goonie, they took 2 days to change engine, obviously it was a thorough job
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# ? Mar 11, 2018 13:16 |
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I want to live in a world where CIG "accidentally" deleted everything and then the build Disco leaked ends up somehow loving them over.
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:I want to live in a world where CIG "accidentally" deleted everything and then the build Disco leaked ends up somehow loving them over. I want to live in a world where CIG does stuff, because whatever they do, its hilarious.
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Jobbo_Fett posted:Hold the loving phone... I thought CIG have only been developing Star Citizen since 2015? What the gently caress is this 5 and a half years (+1 year for prototyping) bullshit?! Joke's on you, FUDster, they're still in the prototyping phase. Development hasn't even started yet, and won't for the foreseeable future. Not everyone has the patience for game non-development, I guess.
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God drat Star Citizen backers look like a bunch of mutants :v
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David Swafford's Media company earning its monthly payment: a new shill account appears... Quavers fucked around with this message at 14:32 on Mar 11, 2018 |
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Virtual Captain posted:2016 Ben Lesnick: "To be honest, specifically, the likes, dislikes does not especially matter to us. We're still in a very much gut feeling in terms of reaction. After doing this for a couple years we kind of have our sources for how people, the sources we trust to actually represent the community so, I know when this person is outraged and they're complaining that I should definitely listen to them and we should think about things different, but pure numbers for, "They didn't retweet this enough" or "This ship sold 80% instead of 90% of what we expected" not especially valuable to me personally." I was one of those sources. It doesn't mean a loving thing.
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:I was one of those sources. It doesn't mean a loving thing. Question, for you specifically, what was the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back for you to finally go "That's it, I'm done."?
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Virtual Captain posted:Just a note here, The kickstarter ended on Nov 19th, 2012 and according to this document they signed the GLA on Nov 20th, 2012. I was re-reading Kotaku UK’s primary story recently and it’s quite worth a re-read in light of the Crytek lawsuit. The entire piece is even harsher than I remembered, particularly on Chris, but also in how it exposes an organization simmering with intra-studio conflicts, internal power struggles, and resentments of Roberts’ tyrannical ego and tornadic managerial dysfunction. The origin of their demo is discussed in well-rounded detail. With Benson talking to so many different sources — current and former employees, people at present and past subcontractors — the tale is three dimensional. We have far more reasons to trust the summary offered there because it is the distillation of multiple accounts, and at a time when there wasn’t a legal dispute fracturing genesis narratives along the newly opened “Crytek vs. CIG” divide. quote:At the same time as choosing an engine to run his prototype, Roberts was building the team that would help him make it. With no idea of whether the prototype would be a success, it didn’t make sense to set up a studio and hire staff at the beginning. Instead, Roberts set up his studio virtually and, besides a few freelancers, delegated a lot of the grunt work to third-party contractors who already had established teams of developers. He contacted Sergio Rosas, Roberts’ art director back in the 1990s, who now ran an outsourcing company called CGBot in Austin, Texas. He also hired a studio called Behaviour to create assets for the prototype. That early cinematics work done was so vital — in some ways the true rock upon which the Church of Chris Roberts was built. It was the proto-marketing tool that first allowed him to sell the dazzling future via fictional depictions of it and it also helped Roberts sell his own game dev credibility to the 2012 era of gamers. Man did they get a lot of marketing mileage out of those cinematics starting at the GDC debut, then in his crowdfunding videos (which ended up embedded in countless gaming news outlets declaring GET HYPE!) and well into the next year until even more cinematics work kept the whole formula fresh. Virtual Captain posted:2016 Ben Lesnick: "To be honest, specifically, the likes, dislikes does not especially matter to us. We're still in a very much gut feeling in terms of reaction. After doing this for a couple years we kind of have our sources for how people, the sources we trust to actually represent the community so, I know when this person is outraged and they're complaining that I should definitely listen to them and we should think about things different, but pure numbers for, "They didn't retweet this enough" or "This ship sold 80% instead of 90% of what we expected" not especially valuable to me personally." Lesnick’s hubris there, his happy insularity, feels learned via osmosis through close proximity to Chris and Sandi. Fawning servility at their sides went to his head. The only way community feedback ever prompts CIG to action is when some crisis of frustration articulated online becomes a viral phenom (like PoisonTaco’s post about the Referral Program last year). From there, CIG follows 1 of 3 branched narratives: 1) Public dismissals by leadership — Chris brushing off Star Marine or Ortwin writing a Sunday reply to the Coutts Loan Story both offered variations on “No big deal!” 2) Acknowledgement and assurances — “we here you and here’s what we’re going to commit to do (and not deliver upon) to shut you up!” 3) Ignoring it — (see your Lesnick quote for reasons.) Quavers posted:David Swafford's Media company earning its monthly payment: a new shill account appears... That should fix the narrative — it’s worked so well before! G0RF fucked around with this message at 04:00 on Mar 12, 2018 |
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iospace posted:Question, for you specifically, what was the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back for you to finally go "That's it, I'm done."? Lying about Squadron 42 in 2016 after the TOS change back in June. Whatever event they had in November was so bad that I just accepted it was all bullshit. In December someone posted yet another rumor about CIG failing and I accepted the risk of getting left out wasn't worth it.
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:Huh. I guess development really didn't start until the Kickstarter ended. Which meant that Chris lied in his Mittani interview. That or they're lying here and know full well that development started a year before the pitch with CryTek. He lied. As I wrote back in 2015, I know - for a fact - that Crytek was working with him during 2011 to build the proof-of-concept material used to promote the game. Thing is, they didn't use it to build the game up from there, as it was never intended to be used for that. This is where the disparity between the actual dev start dates, and his claims, come into focus. He lied about it in order to gain the confidence of backers who were misled into thinking that the project 1) was that far along 2) would look and play as was seen in those tech demos. Then we didn't see the hangar until 08/09/2013, with the first flight capable build of Arena Commander, showing up on 06-04-2014. And neither of those had any of the assets of effects from the tech demo. Why? Because it was all scrapped, as they couldn't be used for an actual "game". Now in the recent filing, they are claiming that the project has been in development for five and half years now. Which - if true - means that actually development on what we have now, didn't actually start until sometime in late 2012. These are some of the things that Crytek is likely to uncover in their extensive discovery request, and which CIG is trying to prevent ahead of the hearing on the motion to dismiss. ----------------
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:Lying about Squadron 42 in 2016 after the TOS change back in June. Whatever event they had in November was so bad that I just accepted it was all bullshit. In December someone posted yet another rumor about CIG failing and I accepted the risk of getting left out wasn't worth it. Explain a little more? I sort of lost track of the whole thing for a few years from 2015 or so to when the crytek suit broke.
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Dark Off posted:that didn't stop them from admitting it in the legal document 🤢
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Deathsquid posted:14 disciples of Christ Robbers (where is he btw, preparing the last supper or what?) My theory is that he no longer exists. You see, shortly after the birth of their children, Sandi devoured his entire head in one bite. The Chris Roberts who has been selling jpegs to nerds, therefore, is just a super high-fidelity 3d model mocapped from the inflatable sock man outside his used car dealership. The turtlenecks were to conceal the seam between the model's head and torso. It was a nice try but you gotta wake up pretty early in the morning to pull the wool over my eyes.
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Star Citizen Wiki posted:The Lightspeed - LTI package is a pledge package that was only available for a limited time. Idiot Citizen posted:Still no computer
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Where we're going, we don't need computers to dream! Just a credit card
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iospace posted:Explain a little more? I sort of lost track of the whole thing for a few years from 2015 or so to when the crytek suit broke. http://dereksmart.com/2015/07/star-citizen-blogs/ http://dereksmart.com/forums/topic/star-citizen-musings/ http://dereksmart.com/forums/topic/sc-scoop/ ----------------
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Lies, lies, and more lies - The Chris Roberts mantra.
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G0RF posted:I was re-reading Kotaku UK’s primary story recently and it’s quite worth a re-read in light of the Crytek lawsuit. The entire piece is even harsher than I remembered, particularly on Chris, but also in how it exposes an organization simmering with intra-studio conflicts, internal power struggles, and resentments of Roberts’ tyrannical ego and tornadic managerial dysfunction. You are the Bob Woodward of Star Citizen Derek is CNN. There are some kernals of truth in there, but they are deeply buried in hyperbole Mne nravitsya fucked around with this message at 18:59 on Mar 11, 2018 |
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Mne nravitsya posted:Derek is CNN. There are some kernals of truth in there, but they are deeply buried in hyperbole ----------------
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