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Skylar slowed down the show. Imagine watching the movie Falling Down but before Michael Douglas goes nuts in the fast food place and rants about breakfast, his wife intervenes and prevents him from shooting up the place.
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Yeah, without Skylar Walter would have completely lost his mind and committed suicide-by-cop. (Spoilered the ending of Falling Down)
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Mar 11, 2018 10:53
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I would have preferred that over the "everything is neatly wrapped up" ending we got.
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Mar 11, 2018 11:00
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LIVE AMMO ROLEPLAY posted:Which has been rebooted more times, TMNT or Scooby Doo? I think Scooby Doo probably has had more shows but it feels like I hear about them rebooting TMNT every two or three years. Give it another decade or two and it will catch up.
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Mar 11, 2018 11:39
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Anna Gunn got straight up death threats for playing the role.
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The Moon Monster posted:I think Scooby Doo probably has had more shows but it feels like I hear about them rebooting TMNT every two or three years. Give it another decade or two and it will catch up. The last TMNT cartoon started in 2012, the one before that in 2003. (and there was a short lived live action series before that, which crossed over with Power Rangers In Space. It was weird)
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Mar 11, 2018 12:22
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Inescapable Duck posted:Raph is goddamn huge and uses tonfa instead of sais. (weirdly enough, there might be some relation there) I wonder if the sai to tonfa change is because a bludgeoning weapon is seen as less violent (regardless of the reality of being cut versus beaten).
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Mar 11, 2018 15:22
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Aren't sais meant to be roughly all-purpose blunt/disarm/stabby weapons anyway
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Sais were never meant to be used as punch-daggers like comics and cartoons imply, they're defensive weapons for catching and breaking/disarming swords. (hence why Leo always loses to Raph; hell, the animated movie specifically has Raph win by breaking Leo's swords) Might be more that sais would look silly in the hands of a much larger Raph, while tonfas work at that scale, while still having the theme of being defensive weapons. Meanwhile, Mikey appears to have a flying guillotine.
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Inescapable Duck posted:Might be more that sais would look silly in the hands of a much larger Raph, while tonfas work at that scale, while still having the theme of being defensive weapons. Meanwhile, Mikey appears to have a flying guillotine. They better fight only robots, because I'm not sure how you get away with a flying guillotine on a children's show otherwise.
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Wheat Loaf posted:Tangentially related to that, I was somewhat surprised recently to discover that Walter White is (or at least was, for a while) apparently this alt-right icon because they see him as some sort of badass criminal grandmaster who's liberated himself from "liberal morality". Do they just ignore the last episode where Walter goes on a nazi killing rampage?
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Mar 11, 2018 16:36
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1-800-DOCTORB posted:Do they just ignore the last episode where Walter goes on a nazi killing rampage? virtue signaling to appease the liberal censorship panels, OBVIOUSLY
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Mar 11, 2018 16:42
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I assume they also ignore the fact that the reasons Walt breaks bad are too-expensive health care matched with the sort of toxic, prideful masculinity that leads to a man refusing all assistance.
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Mar 11, 2018 16:59
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I couldn't tell you. I thought the alt-right people were into that angle where they nominally (though most of the time don't actually) believe in the welfare state so long as it only benefits white people.
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Mar 11, 2018 17:12
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Well yeah, he was unable to afford healthcare and after that realization he picked himself up by his bootstraps and became a super badass. The fact that it was through drugs would only have mattered if he were black.
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Mar 11, 2018 17:32
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Inescapable Duck posted:We're getting a new one of those soon, by the way. They've gone back to 2D animation instead of CGI this time around, and all the turtles are different species now. Raph is goddamn huge and uses tonfa instead of sais. (weirdly enough, there might be some relation there) Looked this up and it's called "Rise of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles". What started this trend of "Rise of [thing]"? Rise of Cobra?
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i've been going back and rewatching Season 5 of the simpsons and i don't think it's nearly as grounded and lacking of "wacky hijinx" that ya'll remember
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sassassin posted:Bullying doesn't become acceptable just because the target is otherwise happy and/or successful. The main cast relentlessly wailing on a designated punching bag isn't funny and it makes them all look like lovely people in a otherwise saccharine sweet workplace-as-family show. This is indentical to the character of newscaster Sally Smedley on the sitcom 'Drop the Dead Donkey' in the 1990s, set in a British television newsroom. The whole characterisation did not work. She was an early example of a media 'personality' before reality TV was a thing. She was an eccentric, sharply-dressed and forever sucking up to (what British audiences would consider to be) lowly media entities like Cilla Black and Lionel Blair in a desperate attempt to climb the career ladder. She was prone to histrionic (but witty) outbursts towards her colleagues, and had little interest in politics or political discourse. We also learn that she had a difficult upbringing with absent parents and an aging, belligerent grandmother. But she isn't that unlikeable a character. She is shown to work pretty hard at her job as well as promoting her own image, doing things that any eager Instagram or YouTube celeb would do today. From off the top of my head, over the course of the series she is victim to multiple pranks to 'put her in her place' (she is brought in to 'sex up' the network when it changes ownership in the pilot episode and is instantly hated). Her face appears on a dartboard, she unwittingly drinks urine, she is recorded in the ladies bathroom, she is recorded having sex and the tapes are sold around the office, she has holes poked in her condoms (she gets pregnant later - possibly unrelated - but then loses the baby in a cringeworthy episode played for laughs), she has 'I AM STUPID' written on her back before a film premiere. Not to mention the constant verbal harassment concerning her liberal sex life, which is open and frequent and the audience thinks it's hysterical. Kudos to Victoria Wicks for playing the role completely straight (with a degree of declining mental health and desperation) and not some airhead caricature, because drat.
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Mu Zeta posted:Skylar slowed down the show. Imagine watching the movie Falling Down but before Michael Douglas goes nuts in the fast food place and rants about breakfast, his wife intervenes and prevents him from shooting up the place. No, she didn't even really do that though... it was a rocket ship of a TV show. I mean by season 3 Walter is cooking meth in a super-lab making millions of dollars a year and then 15 episodes later he's an international kingpin worth like $100,000,000 so it's not like the show ever really took it's foot off the gas. That's not even counting her actually helping to launder the money for a while either. Tumble has a new favorite as of 23:17 on Mar 11, 2018 |
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Mar 11, 2018 23:14
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She was working against what the protagonist wanted. The fact that the protagonist was a monster is irrelevant
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There was also the subplot of her working at that job which really wasn't that interesting. Her stuff wasn't bad but it definitely wasn't as compelling as what Walter was up to.
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knife_of_justice posted:This is indentical to the character of newscaster Sally Smedley on the sitcom 'Drop the Dead Donkey' in the 1990s, set in a British television newsroom. The whole characterisation did not work. You seem to have completely misread the personality of everyone in Drop the Dead Donkey - they're all absolute monsters, mainly based on people from the TV industry. Sally Smedly isn't a lovely happy go lucky character who is bullied, she's a shallow Thatcherite who doesn't give a gently caress about anyone or anything else as long as she is fine - I mean she basically has a house slave the whole run of the show and sees nothing wrong with that. And yes she had a broken childhood, but everyone on the show is a broken alcoholic or workaholic or whateverholic. You could maybe argue that the show's portrayal of non-heterosexual characters has aged but even at the time all the people who were being rude about lesbians etc were meant to be horrible people who were wrong.
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ookiimarukochan posted:You seem to have completely misread the personality of everyone in Drop the Dead Donkey - they're all absolute monsters, mainly based on people from the TV industry. Sally Smedly isn't a lovely happy go lucky character who is bullied, she's a shallow Thatcherite who doesn't give a gently caress about anyone or anything else as long as she is fine - I mean she basically has a house slave the whole run of the show and sees nothing wrong with that. And yes she had a broken childhood, but everyone on the show is a broken alcoholic or workaholic or whateverholic. You could maybe argue that the show's portrayal of non-heterosexual characters has aged but even at the time all the people who were being rude about lesbians etc were meant to be horrible people who were wrong. I forgot about the house slave. Yeah she could be a hieratical bitch but it's strange in 2018 to think of those punishments meted out to a woman.
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Tumble posted:No, she didn't even really do that though... it was a rocket ship of a TV show. I mean by season 3 Walter is cooking meth in a super-lab making millions of dollars a year and then 15 episodes later he's an international kingpin worth like $100,000,000 so it's not like the show ever really took it's foot off the gas. That's not even counting her actually helping to launder the money for a while either. The part where she was forced to help him launder money and also work against Hank were great. But pretty much all the other scenes are long boring breakfasts or working as an accountant.
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knife_of_justice posted:I forgot about the house slave. Yeah she could be a hieratical bitch but it's strange in 2018 to think of those punishments meted out to a woman. You also say that Sally's miscarriage is played for laughs when, at least as I remember from when I watched the episode the other day, it is very clearly a tender moment for her, and one of the few times where she showed genuine emotion beyond petty spite and self-aggrandizement. Over the course of the episode Sally had come to love the idea of being a mother, and having that taken away from her was devastating. And seconding the fact that Sally wasn't someone even remotely sympathetic. In almost every other episode she is shown to be spiteful, deceitful, and just generally not a nice person at all. A lot of the pranks weren't to "Put her in her place", they were because she had drawn the ire of everyone in the office through her behaviour. A comparison to Jerry from Parks and Rec does him a tremendous disservice: The joke with Jerry is that he has done nothing truly wrong and is treated like scum by his colleagues. Sally Smedly is a genuinely nasty person. EDIT: One thing that aged horribly from Drop The Dead Donkey was some of the jokes from the first episode about Henry calling a waiter by an ethnic slur.
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Hattie Masters posted:You also say that Sally's miscarriage is played for laughs when, at least as I remember from when I watched the episode the other day, it is very clearly a tender moment for her, and one of the few times where she showed genuine emotion beyond petty spite and self-aggrandizement. Over the course of the episode Sally had come to love the idea of being a mother, and having that taken away from her was devastating. I agree that she wasn't meant to be sympathetic at first but I guess more humanity came through in the overall character development (and the actress interpretation of the character) which almost explained the pettiness and selfish behaviour. The episode with the miscarriage was played for laughs in that bizarre tragi-comic punchlines were fed in at awkward moments (this was clearly unchartered territory for a fast-moving gag-heavy sitcom back then). Sally's monologue in that episode is powerful stuff.
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Garrand posted:Well yeah, he was unable to afford healthcare and after that realization he picked himself up by his bootstraps and became a super badass. The fact that it was through drugs would only have mattered if he were black. Well, that and also because he applied his mind and intelligence in a way that I'm pretty sure Trumpers think that black folks are completely incapable of. They probably think that Avon Barksdale and Stringer Bell are retarded thugs who got what was coming to them.
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Did Stringer and Avon not get what was coming to them? Should they have gotten a happy ending or something?
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Wheat Loaf posted:I couldn't tell you. I thought the alt-right people were into that angle where they nominally (though most of the time don't actually) believe in the welfare state so long as it only benefits white people. Nope, they're good American boys who hate anything remotely resembling or said to resemble the dreaded communism, even if it's the only thing that would ever give their movement any semblance of appeal beyond internet-broken unemployables.
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Solice Kirsk posted:Did Stringer and Avon not get what was coming to them? Should they have gotten a happy ending or something? I mean, they got what was coming to them on some level. Those lower in the food chain like Wallace, Brodie, and D were the real victims of a broken system.
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Solice Kirsk posted:Did Stringer and Avon not get what was coming to them? Should they have gotten a happy ending or something? The point was that in the eyes of the alt-right, Walter was a white drug kingpin, so he was a brilliant, rebellious hero who was unjustly brought down by the system, while Avon and Stringer were black drug kingpins, so they were mindless thugs who got what was coming to them.
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Flinger posted:Looked this up and it's called "Rise of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles". What started this trend of "Rise of [thing]"? Rise of Cobra?
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Everything that rises must converge so I’m thinking we should have more interesting crossovers by now.
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It started with the movie Jupiter rising
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DACK FAYDEN posted:I feel like Rise of Cobra was not big enough and I'd point to The Dark Knight Rises, but that's 2009 vs 2012 so it may well have been GI Joe somehow. Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer was 2007, Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines was 2003, Ziggy Stardust, the Third Reich, etc etc. It's a pretty generic idea for a title.
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Doctor Spaceman posted:Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer was 2007, Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines was 2003, Ziggy Stardust, the Third Reich, etc etc. Not to mention Mercury Rising, Lucifer Rising, etc.
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Hattie Masters posted:EDIT: One thing that aged horribly from Drop The Dead Donkey was some of the jokes from the first episode about Henry calling a waiter by an ethnic slur. Personally, I think that 'bigoted, old tory dinosaur says racist things' is a stereotype that has, depressingly, aged very well.
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Mad Doctor Cthulhu posted:TV sucks as an educational medium since the dividing line between 'entertainment' and 'education' is not very well defined. Yeah, I'll never understand how MeTV has Saved by the Bell listed as Educational or Informative, especially after two hours of Beakman's World and Bill Nye. muscles like this! posted:There was also the subplot of her working at that job which really wasn't that interesting. Her stuff wasn't bad but it definitely wasn't as compelling as what Walter was up to. I think the bigger issue with Skylar is they didn't really know what to do with her (or Walt Jr. for that matter). In the beginning they're Walt's entire motivation for getting into the meth business, but she's really just there. The thing is her ending was pretty in theme, and I think it would have worked better if that happened around season 3 to highlight just how destructive Walt had become.
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Absurd Alhazred posted:Not to mention Mercury Rising, Lucifer Rising, etc. At least Mercury Rising works as a metaphor and isn't [franchise] Rising.
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spog posted:Personally, I think that 'bigoted, old tory dinosaur says racist things' is a stereotype that has, depressingly, aged very well. Yeah but Henry was a Labour supporter. Left wing individuals being okay with calling wait staff a filthy wop has definitely not aged well
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