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Pollyanna posted:that product sounds like a ripoff and a racket guese what: the whole world is a racket
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Mar 12, 2018 01:41
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Pollyanna posted:that product sounds like a ripoff and a racket alternately: it is a reasonable strategy to build a product/feature after you have identified a customer who is willing to pay for its development however this doesn't excuse the sales team apparently running the company
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Mar 12, 2018 02:16
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marketing genius: selling a product which does not exist, solely to determine if there is a market for it if people actually respond to the press release then we have a hit!
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Mar 12, 2018 03:02
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Progressive JPEG posted:alternately: it is a reasonable strategy to build a product/feature after you have identified a customer who is willing to pay for its development What should happen is, sales team identify X dollars in sales if we can do a thing, they then go to a product manager who can give some estimates after speaking to the actual devs. Instead of "company has money in May, they will only buy with X feature, let's lock that feature in and then blame development if the deadline is unrealistic". The problem in this company is the product manager neither understands software development nor consults the developers who will actually be making the thing. qhat fucked around with this message at 03:38 on Mar 12, 2018 |
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Mar 12, 2018 03:34
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all pm’s are garbage
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Mar 12, 2018 03:39
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qhat posted:What should happen is, sales team identify X dollars in sales if we can do a thing, they then go to a product manager who can give some estimates after speaking to the actual devs. Instead of "company has money in May, they will only buy with X feature, let's lock that feature in and then blame development if the deadline is unrealistic". product management is there to take the heat away from the dev team - they're really managing to shift the blame onto the devs?
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Mar 12, 2018 03:45
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hobbesmaster posted:product management is there to take the heat away from the dev team - they're really managing to shift the blame onto the devs? There's only one guy above the pm; the CEO. And they are both long time friends. So the buck never seems to stop at the PM.
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Mar 12, 2018 03:50
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PCjr sidecar posted:fairly sure international migration is involves more paperwork than a 1040 My dude I just spent seven years of my life earning residency in your garbage country Yeah I'm not entirely sure why I did it either Anyway I'm sticking around for a while sorry
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Mar 12, 2018 04:06
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We have our senior leadership still trying to set deadlines despite the fact we now have PO/PMs for that role. I had to have a fun conversation last week about "no we can't hit your arbitrary deadline in quarter 2. You've been overworking one of my Devs for two years now. He will quit and I will follow". The bonus was they offered to give us the QA resources we needed because they previously took all of our QA away in the half aborted reorg going on. This project is needed for everything they have going on and I've been complaining about us having no qa in my reports for three months now. I don't consider myself great at my job, but it's mind-blowing how bad some people can be at it and be completely oblivious to the fact.
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Mar 12, 2018 04:52
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Progressive JPEG posted:marketing genius: selling a product which does not exist, solely to determine if there is a market for it
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Mar 12, 2018 06:05
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qhat posted:What should happen is, sales team identify X dollars in sales if we can do a thing, they then go to a product manager who can give some estimates after speaking to the actual devs. Instead of "company has money in May, they will only buy with X feature, let's lock that feature in and then blame development if the deadline is unrealistic". 
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Mar 12, 2018 06:30
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Our PO used to be a computer engineer and we only have beta customers right now but I have no delusions that once we officially release and migrate customers from our old software this gravy train of people who understand the "D" part of "NPD" being in charge will be coming to an end.
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Mar 12, 2018 06:35
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my last boss was soo good. for every feature request ever his first response was flat no. if a second request comes in for that feature he asked for a detailed spec before giving an estimate.
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Mar 12, 2018 06:39
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HoboMan posted:my last boss was soo good. for every feature request ever his first response was flat no. if a second request comes in for that feature he asked for a detailed spec before giving an estimate. This is a real pro tip. If anyone wants you to do something, request that they do another tiny reasonable thing to get the ball rolling and watch how you never hear from them again.
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Mar 12, 2018 07:12
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qhat posted:This is a real pro tip. If anyone wants you to do something, request that they do another tiny reasonable thing to get the ball rolling and watch how you never hear from them again. i can’t find the nodding emoticon so this will have to do 
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Mar 12, 2018 08:14
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qhat posted:This is a real pro tip. If anyone wants you to do something, request that they do another tiny reasonable thing to get the ball rolling and watch how you never hear from them again.
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Mar 12, 2018 08:48
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qhat posted:This is a real pro tip. If anyone wants you to do something, request that they do another tiny reasonable thing to get the ball rolling and watch how you never hear from them again. 
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Mar 12, 2018 13:26
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qhat posted:This is a real pro tip. If anyone wants you to do something, request that they do another tiny reasonable thing to get the ball rolling and watch how you never hear from them again. hahah this owns
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Mar 12, 2018 14:14
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on the other hand i can just see someone being like "what the gently caress do you mean you want ME to do something, i tell you what i want and you make it loving happen, now do it"
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Mar 12, 2018 14:15
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Pollyanna posted:on the other hand i can just see someone being like "what the gently caress do you mean you want ME to do something, i tell you what i want and you make it loving happen, now do it"
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Mar 12, 2018 14:30
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Feature requests go through the dev team's PM, whose job it is to act as a bullshit shield for whatever navel gazing crap other people in the org suddenly decided that they desperately needed about five seconds ago while sitting at their desk playing with their balls If you don't have a bullshit shield and it's open season on devs then yeah god help you because you'll get all sorts of random crap requests all day long and your manager will be copied on every single one
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Mar 12, 2018 14:33
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stories like this make me glad that my company has a decent project management structure where my boss basically says, "we have X hours for dev during this sprint" and the PMs can fight over who gets what. PM has a pet project they want to advance? okay, we can do that, what projects do you want to deprioritize to make that happen? takes the pressure off of devs to work overtime.
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Mar 12, 2018 15:12
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Fiedler posted:... why do people live in New York? why would you want to live anywhere else? 🤔
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Mar 12, 2018 15:40
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After growing up in London I'm completely done with huge cities. I personally would not consider anywhere like that as a serious relocation option.
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Mar 12, 2018 16:00
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:why would you want to live anywhere else? 🤔 it's full of new yorkers
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Mar 12, 2018 16:02
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qhat posted:After growing up in London I'm completely done with huge cities. I personally would not consider anywhere like that as a serious relocation option. i probably wouldnt live in a large city again like literally in the middle of manhattan (im looking to move out of boston itself right now), but most dev jobs are in large cities e.g. boston so commuting into them is pretty much my best bet
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Mar 12, 2018 16:06
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Pollyanna posted:i probably wouldnt live in a large city again like literally in the middle of manhattan (im looking to move out of boston itself right now), but most dev jobs are in large cities e.g. boston so commuting into them is pretty much my best bet When I say huge cities, I'm referring to cities with like 8+ million people. I'd sooner move to anywhere on the west coast than NYC. In fact I'd probably move to Minnesota before I move to NYC.
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Mar 12, 2018 16:08
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Munkeymon posted:it's full of new yorkers i guess you could live in New Jersey or Connecticut
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Mar 12, 2018 16:09
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qhat posted:When I say huge cities, I'm referring to cities with like 8+ million people. I'd sooner move to anywhere on the west coast than NYC. In fact I'd probably move to Minnesota before I move to NYC. oh huh, apparently boston has ~650k ppl in it thats less than i thought. wouldnt know it with how bullshit housing prices are here
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Mar 12, 2018 16:10
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i would love to move to a less crowded+expensive place but 1. i like living in heavily blue areas 2. other places tend to not pay well 3. id be far from friends and family
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Mar 12, 2018 16:10
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qhat posted:When I say huge cities, I'm referring to cities with like 8+ million people. I'd sooner move to anywhere on the west coast than NYC. In fact I'd probably move to Minnesota before I move to NYC. twin cities is 3mil so while small by your standards is quite large by American standards
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Mar 12, 2018 16:10
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qhat posted:When I say huge cities, I'm referring to cities with like 8+ million people. I'd sooner move to anywhere on the west coast than NYC. In fact I'd probably move to Minnesota before I move to NYC. *in cowboy voice* NEW YORK CITY?!?!
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Mar 12, 2018 16:10
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hobbesmaster posted:twin cities is 3mil so while small by your standards is quite large by American standards I guess the key thing is population density. NYC is 50 times denser than twin cities.
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Mar 12, 2018 16:14
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qhat posted:I guess the key thing is population density. NYC is 50 times denser than twin cities. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_...5,000_residents Somerville #2, right under NYC Cambridge #5, Boston #10 ngl i kinda want to move but boston jobs arent so bad
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Mar 12, 2018 16:18
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:why would you want to live anywhere else? 🤔 Lower taxes, fewer people, nicer people, less noise, better housing...
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Mar 12, 2018 16:19
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Fiedler posted:Lower taxes, fewer people, nicer people, less noise, better housing... p much ideally youd commute from further out but then its a bitch of a commute
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Mar 12, 2018 16:21
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Come to beautiful Porltand, Maine! all the cost of living in boston without the jobs or pay!
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Mar 12, 2018 16:28
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also all of Boston invades during the summer
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Maine is honestly a very nice place to be during the summer month
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