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Milo and POTUS posted:No new episode tonight?! Olympics or something? At least there's still Waco
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We're back tonight. Can't wait. Also yeah Waco loving owns hard.
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Feb 28, 2018 12:28
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Waco is incredibly mediocre
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Feb 28, 2018 15:04
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Waco is a B show with A performances.
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clown shoes posted:Waco is a B show with A performances. It definitely has A actors (like half the cast of Boardwalk Empire) but I wouldn’t call them A performances. Not that they’re given great scripts to work with.
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Feb 28, 2018 15:30
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Very refreshing to watch someone get the upper hand on this rear end in a top hat
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Henchman of Santa posted:Very refreshing to watch someone get the upper hand on this rear end in a top hat What happens? Spoiler bars for sure. I can't watch for a few days
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Milo and POTUS posted:What happens? Spoiler bars for sure. I can't watch for a few days The beginning of this episode follows him as he’s living with a wealthy older man, acting as his interior designer. He presents the older man with a list of demands including a pay raise, a new car and first class plane tickets across the world. The older man reveals that he knows everything about Andrew’s facade, having investigated him heavily soon after meeting him. Andrew gets pissed and quits on the spot.
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Mar 1, 2018 15:00
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You forgot the most important part which is that he also demanded to be the sole heir in rich old dudes will
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Mar 1, 2018 17:00
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And that guy offered to pay to send him back to school!
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Mar 2, 2018 04:18
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The way this is unfolding is loving nuts for those of us who never knew the details of Cunanan's life. Having all his victims in one place like that was some classic 
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Mar 2, 2018 18:45
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How much of this backstory is embellished? I'm definitely enjoying the season, but the OJ season had so much documentation to work with, plus most of the main characters were alive and we'd gotten to hear what they had to say. Since most of the main cast this season are his victims, in the back of my mind I'm just wondering how much of these interactions is speculation.
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GobiasIndustries posted:How much of this backstory is embellished? I'm definitely enjoying the season, but the OJ season had so much documentation to work with, plus most of the main characters were alive and we'd gotten to hear what they had to say. Since most of the main cast this season are his victims, in the back of my mind I'm just wondering how much of these interactions is speculation. Pretty much all of it. We know only the barest details of his relationships with his victims. The relationship with Blachford which was shown is more solidly grounded than anything else, even including his mother.
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Ormi posted:Pretty much all of it. We know only the barest details of his relationships with his victims. The relationship with Blachford which was shown is more solidly grounded than anything else, even including his mother. That's what I figured. Like, maybe there might have been diary notes or recollection from the victims' family members or something but again there was nothing any of his victims seemingly would have raised concerns about because his killing spree hadn't happened. Still good television, just very different from what we got in the OJ season.
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Mar 3, 2018 01:50
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For example the old dude's family denies that he ever met Andrew and that it was a random killing. So the show puts down the theory that they had met previously that he was closeted and. And then, the family denies it "in show". So they mix fact and fiction as part of their overall narrative. Same with Versace, I believe they deny that the meeting ever took place, the show then portrays it as maybe it happened, maybe it's a fantasy, something like that. I think that the unreliable narrator stuff allows them to be fast and lose with the facts while still telling the story they want. algebra testes fucked around with this message at 03:57 on Mar 3, 2018 |
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Mar 3, 2018 03:54
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GobiasIndustries posted:That's what I figured. Like, maybe there might have been diary notes or recollection from the victims' family members or something but again there was nothing any of his victims seemingly would have raised concerns about because his killing spree hadn't happened. Still good television, just very different from what we got in the OJ season.
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Rageaholic Monkey posted:It has next to nothing in common with the OJ season or why I loved that one, but this is still loving gripping television.  Darren Criss is knocking it out of the park.
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algebra testes posted:Same with Versace, I believe they deny that the meeting ever took place, the show then portrays it as maybe it happened, maybe it's a fantasy, something like that. I think that the unreliable narrator stuff allows them to be fast and lose with the facts while still telling the story they want. I believe Versace's family also claims that his illness was cancer and not HIV/AIDS like the show presents.
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The hanging scene in the military barracks was pretty heavy handed, even compared to the general exaggeration. Although I do find it interesting how season 1 connected race to the O.J. case (not that you couldn't of course.) And now season 2 expands on this case to highlight how homosexuality was treated even twenty years ago (the cops being wary about investigating, how they were treated in the military, the idea that many powerful people were closeted allowing Andrew to take advantage, etc.) It didn't seem like they could have stretched this out into nine episodes given what little detail we have, but they're doing a great job of creating a narrative, embellished as it may be.
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Mar 4, 2018 03:02
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Jeff Trail really did give an interview to CBS for what it's worth
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OmegaBR posted:The hanging scene in the military barracks was pretty heavy handed, even compared to the general exaggeration. Yeah I really love how every time the victim being gay comes up it's suddenly a surprise or uncomfortable for the detectives involved. Like never once is the answer to "He was gay" "That doesn't change anything" it's always suddenly seen as a complication by the detectives. And I think that narrative is what makes David's death so loving heartbreaking is that his Dad is supportive of him, and one of the few characters I guess in an authority position (in a sense) who is.
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Mar 4, 2018 06:30
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That was, uh, unexpected
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Mar 8, 2018 05:01
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Holy poo poo. Good episode but I'm kinda disappointed there is such little talk about it
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Mar 8, 2018 06:54
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I'm still not totally sold on this story needing to be told in reverse. Are they just gonna leap all the way forward to the hunt for Cunanan and his death in the last hour?
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Mar 8, 2018 06:57
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This show is so drat good.
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esperterra posted:This show is so drat good.  also i did not know that versace was the original tetsuo nomura
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Beltz n zippasssssssssssssss I'm so glad I caught up on this in time to catch the latest episode. Kind of glad I waited in general, mainlining like 7 episodes in two days was a beautiful and harrowing experience. I'm so loving impressed by Darren Criss in this.
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Henchman of Santa posted:I'm still not totally sold on this story needing to be told in reverse. Are they just gonna leap all the way forward to the hunt for Cunanan and his death in the last hour? I think it works. It humanizes Cunanan as much as he can be, and also is thematically consistent with the idea that homophobia both enabled and perpetuated his crimes.
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Mar 9, 2018 06:40
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sector_corrector posted:I think it works. It humanizes Cunanan as much as he can be, and also is thematically consistent with the idea that homophobia both enabled and perpetuated his crimes. Yeah, I like it too. It shifts the focus away from what Cuanan did (which is a relatively simple case of public record) and towards who the man was (which is not). It's psychological character study in place of a thriller. On a wankier level you could also gesture at the way the structure mirrors but also ridicules the police investigations. We tend to arrive at the moment of these character's deaths, and then move forwards, like the investigators, only for the show to loop back around and look at the people they were. Assumptions they've made are untrue, just as the assumptions we tend to make about Cuanan's lies are (occasionally) untrue. It's unreductive.
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Yeah, I've really been loving going backward. I think my only real complaint was them dropping the Versace family stuff for two episodes, but then both of those episodes were amazing so it's barely a complaint at all. Finn Wittrock is so drat good.
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At what point did Darren Criss get so goddamn pretty? Also, it will be a shame if he isn’t Emmy and Globe nominated for this.
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CaveGrinch posted:At what point did Darren Criss get so goddamn pretty? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yr1p7BvCQ0U
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Mar 14, 2018 18:36
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GobiasIndustries posted:birth tbh but here's this:
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Mar 14, 2018 18:40
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Another good moment as a sequel to that one to see his acting skills is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PX2_9LNa2E
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Mar 14, 2018 19:15
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Man, Glee has some hosed alumni. The guy that died from heroin OD, the child porn dude, domestic abuser and all around crazy person Nya Rivera, and now Andrew Cunanan.
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Mar 14, 2018 21:51
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Yet Chris Colfer remains pure and good and I wish to make him my wife. Lea Michele is supposed to be an rear end in a top hat too but not crazy tier.
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Mar 14, 2018 22:12
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Yeah I originally had Lea Michelle listed as super diva but compared to the rest, it didn’t seem right to put her on the list.
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Mar 14, 2018 22:18
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I can hardly stand Gianni and Donatella's rich people problems, but Darren Criss is so good that it pretty much balances out.
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Glee also had Supergirl so...not all bad 
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Extremely normal dad
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