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bitterandtwisted posted:Marge was academic, artistic and political as a teenager, then gets knocked up by Homer and becomes a 'homemaker'. Traditional family roles aged badly. One of the most heartbreaking moments is in Trouble With Trillions after Homer tries to give her the painting she painted for him as a tax break. 
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BoJack Horseman creator Raphael Bob-Waksberg (seriously, what is up with that name?!) tweeted an "ode to Marge" a while back.
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DrBouvenstein posted:In an episode in one of the teen seasons, I think, Homer fights with Marge and moves out of the house and is roommates with a couple of gay men. One of them kisses him, and his internal monologue hints that he enjoyed it. Iron Crowned posted:Not to mention, when you have roommates, you see them naked. BrigadierSensible posted:I never liked what they did with Marge. I know her character is the hardest to write for, but she has never had any real character traits other than "wet blanket" and "conservative homemaker".
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Neither of them are shown to have a particularly ideal marriage; Homer's mother left the home when he was young and he was raised by an emotionally abusive, depressed father, then he knocked up Marge, married her in a Vegas wedding, got a job at the power plant and basically gave up on life at 21. (and the episode with Maggie's birth shows that he tried to ease back and get a less stressful job before realising he had a third 'oops' baby on the way and had to go back to his old job. Of course, having a steady wage for the rest of your life is something to envy now) The show has changed a lot subtly even in the good seasons, originally Bart was the breakout character, but the focus gradually shifted to Homer. (probably because you can do more with him) Interestingly, Bart is often shown as more savvy and even having more of a sympathetic portrayal than Homer; a lot of the time his misbehaviour is implied to be acting out as a result of frustration with authority figures, and he has awful self-esteem that is never too far from a depressive breakdown.
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I think part of the gradual shift from focus on Bart to focus on Homer also has to do with a major chunk of the audience aging up so that they no longer were a kid laughing at a kid, but a screwup adult laughing at a screwup adult. I know that was definitely my case.
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Choco1980 posted:I think part of the gradual shift from focus on Bart to focus on Homer also has to do with a major chunk of the audience aging up so that they no longer were a kid laughing at a kid, but a screwup adult laughing at a screwup adult. I know that was definitely my case. ehhh the shift happened too quickly for it to really be that, by season 4 or 5 it's already very much homer's show
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Inescapable Duck posted:Neither of them are shown to have a particularly ideal marriage; Homer's mother left the home when he was young and he was raised by an emotionally abusive, depressed father, then he knocked up Marge, married her in a Vegas wedding, got a job at the power plant and basically gave up on life at 21. (and the episode with Maggie's birth shows that he tried to ease back and get a less stressful job before realising he had a third 'oops' baby on the way and had to go back to his old job. Of course, having a steady wage for the rest of your life is something to envy now) "Bart gets an F" is really hard to watch due to how sympathetic the character is  You really want him to succeed, and so do him and his teacher so the ending is really heartbreaking until the turnabout.
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BioEnchanted posted:"Bart gets an F" is really hard to watch due to how sympathetic the character is And it's also painfully real https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4kA9PFHb-Y&t=59s "I really tried, I really tried this time, this is as good as I can do and I still failed"
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Brother Entropy posted:ehhh the shift happened too quickly for it to really be that, by season 4 or 5 it's already very much homer's show Even before that, the first couple of seasons aren't particularly Bart-centric. The early merchandise was, but that's just because the merchandisers had no idea how to sell the show and so just churned out generic 'bad boy' T-shirts.
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Bart was the one with two hit singles off the album at the height of Bartmania.  I sometimes think it would have been interesting if the characters had aged. Not in real time, obviously, but maybe one year for every four seasons: for instance, season four starts ("Kamp Krusty") with the end of a school year, and season eight ends ("The Secret War of Lisa Simpson") with the end of another school year. "Ageing well" in a different context: I have the Simpsons episode-by-episode guide books from about 20 years ago which included profiles of the family at the start, and they say Homer and Marge are meant to be 36 and 34 respectively. They sure don't look it (though I note that every time Marge is drawn with her hair down, they make her look like a teenager ).
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Wheat Loaf posted:Bart was the one with two hit singles off the album at the height of Bartmania. Yeah, they should have done more with Bart's fear of failure resulting in him having the outlook "If I don't try I can't really fail" initially, but then his D+ getting him really thinking about what that will mean long term because he just tried harder than he ever had before, and he sucked less.. The Simpson Gene was a stupid retcon that just gave Bart a poor excuse for not trying. Hell, Homer's stupidity wasn't even due to that gene, but a crayon lodged in his brain.
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Tiggum posted:Are you sharing a bedroom or something? Common areas should not be pants-free zones. My roommateis German  BioEnchanted posted:"Bart gets an F" is really hard to watch due to how sympathetic the character is That episode reallyis a testament to how great the old episodes are. I know I really related to that one, since that happened to me a lot.
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plainswalker75 posted:One of the most heartbreaking moments is in Trouble With Trillions after Homer tries to give her the painting she painted for him as a tax break. It's not even a good painting..
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Mar 17, 2018 12:57
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Alhazred posted:It's not even a good painting.. Philistine.
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RC and Moon Pie posted:King Crimson similarly finds it very awkward to explain a lyric from The Great Deceiver on Starless and Bible Black. They're not the only ones to have a problem.  It's worth noting that when I were a lad the company was just "Brain's", not "Mr Brain's". They rebranded after a lot of jokes about going to the shops to buy some human being's brains.
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Alhazred posted:It's not even a good painting.. In the Simpsons' world it's photo realistic.
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BioEnchanted posted:Yeah, they should have done more with Bart's fear of failure resulting in him having the outlook "If I don't try I can't really fail" initially, but then his D+ getting him really thinking about what that will mean long term because he just tried harder than he ever had before, and he sucked less.. The Simpson Gene was a stupid retcon that just gave Bart a poor excuse for not trying. Hell, Homer's stupidity wasn't even due to that gene, but a crayon lodged in his brain. The Simpsons isn't exactly strict with the continuity. Just look at the geography and architecture.
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Inescapable Duck posted:The Simpsons isn't exactly strict with the continuity. Just look at the geography and architecture. I don't care about the geography, but the Simpsons has been known to call back to previous adventures, so having all characters be static is a shame. Continuity of character does not mean losing out on potential jokes, it means elaborating on the jokes they can tell. The Simpsons don't need a consistent Springfield, but any real characterisation sticking could have done wonders to prevent it getting so stale.
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BioEnchanted posted:I don't care about the geography, but the Simpsons has been known to call back to previous adventures, so having all characters be static is a shame. Continuity of character does not mean losing out on potential jokes, it means elaborating on the jokes they can tell. The Simpsons don't need a consistent Springfield, but any real characterisation sticking could have done wonders to prevent it getting so stale.
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FactsAreUseless posted:Bob's Burgers is good
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BioEnchanted posted:I don't care about the geography, but the Simpsons has been known to call back to previous adventures, so having all characters be static is a shame. Continuity of character does not mean losing out on potential jokes, it means elaborating on the jokes they can tell. The Simpsons don't need a consistent Springfield, but any real characterisation sticking could have done wonders to prevent it getting so stale. That's sorta the baseline for the Sitcom, though, and it was baked into the foundation of the Simpsons. They even made regular jokes about the end of every episode reverting to the status quo. Attempting to break away that formula once the show was already established woulda been a pretty huge deviation.
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I haven't been keeping up with recent Simpsons; do they just no longer show Bart, Milhouse, Nelson et al. in class to account for Mrs Krabappel's VA dying and the retirement of the character or do they have a new teacher?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rxdhKRODLw
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BioEnchanted posted:Yeah, they should have done more with Bart's fear of failure resulting in him having the outlook "If I don't try I can't really fail" initially, but then his D+ getting him really thinking about what that will mean long term because he just tried harder than he ever had before, and he sucked less.. The Simpson Gene was a stupid retcon that just gave Bart a poor excuse for not trying. Hell, Homer's stupidity wasn't even due to that gene, but a crayon lodged in his brain. Epigenetics.
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That's literally the exact moment I decided to stop watching the Simpsons.
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rodbeard posted:That's literally the exact moment I decided to stop watching the Simpsons. I get irrationally irritated everytime someone makes the Beerfest "it'll be like Landfill never died" joke because of that episode
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Not a TV show but this moment from a Microsoft Flight Simulator 2000 instruction video certainly has aged poorly. https://youtu.be/ssig3LUCwng?t=4m39s
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Nckdictator posted:Not a TV show but this moment from a Microsoft Flight Simulator 2000 instruction video certainly has aged poorly. Yeah, they had to scrap that whole subsystem.
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Tangential (and opposite ) to this thread, but apparently Twitch is going to livestream the entire 856 episode run of Mr Rogers here: https://www.twitch.tv/misterrogers Looking forward to working while listening to a saint.
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A movie thing but in Face/Off there's a scene where Travolta's daughter is having to deal with a boyfriend who won't take no and he is played by Danny Masterson.
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Wheat Loaf posted:I haven't been keeping up with recent Simpsons; do they just no longer show Bart, Milhouse, Nelson et al. in class to account for Mrs Krabappel's VA dying and the retirement of the character or do they have a new teacher? I haven't watched in years but this post made me curious about the same thing. Google tells me there have been several guest star teachers but they do much less in the classroom of them and they haven't made anyone permanent.
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Wheat Loaf posted:I haven't been keeping up with recent Simpsons; do they just no longer show Bart, Milhouse, Nelson et al. in class to account for Mrs Krabappel's VA dying and the retirement of the character or do they have a new teacher? They have shown Ms Hoover more since Edna died.
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muscles like this! posted:A movie thing but in Face/Off there's a scene where Travolta's daughter is having to deal with a boyfriend who won't take no and he is played by Danny Masterson. This aged like fine wine considering I think he got stabbed and then beat up by Travolta-Cage.
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Alhazred posted:It's not even a good painting.. how's this one? 
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"Thank you for not making fun if my genitalia" "I thought I was..."
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Oddly enough, Burns tends to be pretty unashamed and usually honest about the state his body is in, usually. (besides believing his Three Stooges Syndrome makes him indestructible, but fair enough really, if that hasn't killed him what will?)
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Inescapable Duck posted:Oddly enough, Burns tends to be pretty unashamed and usually honest about the state his body is in, usually. "Hmm, lost a nail. Oh, well, that's leprosy for you."
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it's remarkable how versatile "Three Stooges Syndrome" is as a metaphor in my day to day life.
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I've been watching some old SNL videos and, well... this did not age well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6ee5W-9pDk
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Absurd Alhazred posted:I've been watching some old SNL videos and, well... this did not age well: Taken down, my good man. Cliff notes? Related note, I wish the Schmitts Gay Beer ad was still up, it's funny as hell.
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