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egon_beeblebrox posted:The Who will provide the theme song. Fucker, now I'm going to have that stuck in my head for the rest of the day.
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Bicyclops posted:I suspect that Jenny is a mildly better character for a spin-off because yeah, she's a blank slate, and if she gets a good writer, she can keep going on with adventures and maybe even regenerate. Maybe there will be a twist and she becomes a school teacher.
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# ? Mar 19, 2018 05:40 |
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The_Doctor posted:Yes, I'll agree to that. Jenny is a fairly blank slate you could do a lot with, whereas Christina was a genuinely awful person. Trying to redeem a bad character can be...interesting, though it can just not work for some. Orson Welles revived the character of Harry Lime from The Third Man for a very popular radio series. It was a prequel, for obvious reasons, and involved the wacky adventures of charming con man Harry Lime in pre-war Europe, the Middle East, etc--various cosmopolitan places. Usually the episodes had Harry going some petty roguish crime or being hired to do something. While morally grey, he usually ended up doing something good for somebody, turning the tables on a worse person, etc. He also never quite won the big score and just about "oh well!" broke even to survive til his next caper. I've listened to quite a few of them, and I can't get around the fact that in the movie, Lime was a monster who sold sick kids watered down medicine to make a profit and it killed them, to the shock and horror of his childhood friend Holly. And to compound it, he just didn't care or show any remorse. It's not like the radio show is a modern character arc either, which shows Lime's journey from a basically good Robin Hood type to cold rear end in a top hat, because storytelling of that era didn't work like that. I'm a huge Welles fan, but even his great acting and in some cases, writing, on this, just leaves me cold.
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# ? Mar 20, 2018 06:37 |
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Yeah I loving love The Third Man and when I found out there were audio stories featuring Welles as Lime I got excited at the notion of hearing them, till I found out he plays Lime as the rogueish quasi-protagonist. I mean, I'd absolutely be down for a series of Radio Plays featuring Orson Welles as a rogueish quasi-protagonist... just not if it is Harry Lime. That's one of cinema's all time great villains and it just doesn't make any sense to me to do it that way. Which reminds me, reading a biography of Robert Holmes I discovered that a series he pitched but ultimately didn't write himself for various reasons was produced as a radio drama back in the 70s featuring Vincent Price and Peter Cushing
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# ? Mar 20, 2018 07:18 |
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Why has that not been animated yet
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# ? Mar 20, 2018 07:25 |
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It's been forever since I saw that episode with Michelle Ryan and The Magic Bus, can anyone remind me why her character was so horrible again? Not that I doubt anyone's word that her character was trash (many of RTD's characters were). I just don't remember the particulars, other than the episode itself generally being a terrible dumpster fire, so I can't be hosed to bother trying to watch it again.
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# ? Mar 20, 2018 08:17 |
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Her character was straight up just a rich, bored aristocrat who steals national treasures purely for fun and robs the public of any chance to see or have access to them in favor of her amusement. Her (and RTD's) attempts to equate her selfish and self-serving actions with those of the Doctor traveling the universe and setting things right is a really terrible comparison that not only doesn't get called out but actually is left hanging as if the Doctor agrees with it. Her "nemesis" is a police officer attempting to catch a criminal committing crimes and we're supposed to enjoy him being hosed over when the Doctor aids in her escape and rewards her with a flying bus to presumably commit more crimes with. Short of her lovely background though, she's also poorly written in her actions in the actual episode itself. There is one neat bit at the start where she takes control of the situation instead of the Doctor and he looks slightly put out but also intrigued by somebody who is willing to take the lead... except she then proceeds to do nothing other than follow him around asking questions like a standard companion and watching him sort out every situation. Even the rest of the bus inhabitants are left completely to their own devices and she doesn't lead, direct or manage them in any way. She's a bad character with a worse backstory she doesn't do or accomplish anything or follow up on even the spark of potential she might have had. About all she manages to accomplish is to look smug about how much smarter and cleverer she is than everybody while not actually doing anything. I really, really dislike that story.
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# ? Mar 20, 2018 08:27 |
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Jerusalem posted:Her character was straight up just a rich, bored aristocrat who steals national treasures purely for fun and robs the public of any chance to see or have access to them in favor of her amusement. Her (and RTD's) attempts to equate her selfish and self-serving actions with those of the Doctor traveling the universe and setting things right is a really terrible comparison that not only doesn't get called out but actually is left hanging as if the Doctor agrees with it. Her "nemesis" is a police officer attempting to catch a criminal committing crimes and we're supposed to enjoy him being hosed over when the Doctor aids in her escape and rewards her with a flying bus to presumably commit more crimes with. So basically RTD bungled trying to write a "naughty, cheeky" version of Lara Croft, then.
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# ? Mar 20, 2018 08:32 |
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I have some bad news about the new intro for the show https://twitter.com/LFCNev/status/975403198558154753
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# ? Mar 20, 2018 10:24 |
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God, that's a lovely opening. Where's the Middle Eight?
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# ? Mar 20, 2018 10:35 |
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The sight of that makes me sick to my stomach!
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# ? Mar 20, 2018 13:43 |
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Looks like they've really got a bigger budget this year!
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# ? Mar 20, 2018 16:39 |
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nine-gear crow posted:I have some bad news about the new intro for the show it's wetter on the inside
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# ? Mar 20, 2018 16:55 |
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nine-gear crow posted:I have some bad news about the new intro for the show Some NWS low-hanging fruit (which works as a euphemism)
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# ? Mar 20, 2018 17:58 |
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Listened to "The Destination Wars" and enjoyed it quite a bit, after I got used to the voices.
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# ? Mar 20, 2018 18:29 |
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Third Doctor Adventures volume 4 featuring the Monk and the Cybermen is out now. I'm well behind on boxsets I've gotta listen to, never mind main range stuff or other bits and pieces I've picked up, but I'm really feeling like bumping this one to the top given the combination of era, enemies, and writers.egon_beeblebrox posted:Listened to "The Destination Wars" and enjoyed it quite a bit, after I got used to the voices. Yeah, it was good stuff. Bradley's intonation still feels off to me but they all sell the story well and mannnn is the Gimme Gimme Gimme guy a real pleasant surprise as the Master Box of Bunnies fucked around with this message at 09:17 on Mar 21, 2018 |
# ? Mar 21, 2018 09:15 |
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Eccleston speaks more about his departure:quote:“My relationship with my three immediate superiors – the showrunner, the producer and co-producer – broke down irreparably during the first block of filming and it never recovered,” Eccleston says in the latest issue of Radio Times.
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# ? Mar 21, 2018 18:04 |
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drat. That's unfortunate, they were friends before he took the role yeah?
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# ? Mar 21, 2018 18:08 |
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Rhyno posted:drat. That's unfortunate, they were friends before he took the role yeah? Yeah, he took on the role because they worked together on Rusty’s The Second Coming.
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# ? Mar 21, 2018 18:11 |
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The_Doctor posted:Yeah, he took on the role because they worked together on Rusty’s The Second Coming. Which is awesome and everybody should watch it.
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# ? Mar 21, 2018 18:13 |
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So if I'm reading that right, basically Eccleston clashed with RTD, Phil Collinson and Julie Gardner (the latter two were producers on DW during RTD's run). Given that Eccleston's made claims of bullying on the set by the people in charge, I'd be interested to see what specifics eventually come out.
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# ? Mar 21, 2018 19:27 |
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The really disappointing part of all this is how the general fan base (outside this forum, obviously) has taken all this as Eccleston attacking the show and how he’s just some diva actor whining. Check the comments on any article or twitter thread about this. We are literally never going to get Eccleston to come back for anything at this rate
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# ? Mar 21, 2018 19:59 |
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Big Mean Jerk posted:The really disappointing part of all this is how the general fan base (outside this forum, obviously) has taken all this as Eccleston attacking the show and how he’s just some diva actor whining. Check the comments on any article or twitter thread about this. Well, the guy has royally trashed just about every schlocky big budget project he's been attached to in the last decade. There may well be a common deniminator here, and its name just might be *hristopher *celston....
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# ? Mar 21, 2018 20:03 |
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Box of Bunnies posted:Yeah, it was good stuff. Bradley's intonation still feels off to me but they all sell the story well and mannnn is the Gimme Gimme Gimme guy a real pleasant surprise as the Master Yeah, I'm really looking forward to hearing more of him. I hope sooner or later, Big Finish does a huge Multi-Master story with as many of them as they can grab. Jacobi and Gomez would be a lot of fun together.
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# ? Mar 21, 2018 20:12 |
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When he talks about how poo poo The Avengers is I just like him even more. Dude's savage
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# ? Mar 21, 2018 20:12 |
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drat, that's sucks. It doesn't sound like it was amicable at all, and Davies and Eccleston are basically going to have a Bill Murray/Harold Ramis relationship going forward. He does admit that some of it was his own lack of confidence in the comedic part of the role, which sort of gives voice to an issue I always had with Nine, and why I got more into the show once Tennant started. Hopefully once details start coming out, it doesn't get too ugly.
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# ? Mar 21, 2018 20:14 |
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nine-gear crow posted:Well, the guy has royally trashed just about every schlocky big budget project he's been attached to in the last decade. There may well be a common deniminator here, and its name just might be *hristopher *celston.... Well, let's see: - Thor 2 was a complete shitpile and 99 percent of his dialogue in the movie was complete gibberish, so I don't really fault him for trashing it - GI Joe was a complete shitpile - RTD and the BBC literally made up a fake quote from him saying that they had all always agreed from the start that he'd only do one season of Doctor Who, which completely blindsided him
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# ? Mar 21, 2018 20:15 |
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Timby posted:
He's also said that he felt like he had move because he was functionally blacklisted by BBC after what happened.
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Here's my understanding of it all... Eccleston felt very uncertain taking the role and thusly didn't have much confidence. He saw one of the shows main directors bullying people on set, mainly Billie Piper and felt the need to speak up but didn't on set due to his own apprehensions. When he approached Davis he wasn't satisfied with the answer he got and things got very toxic very fast. Davis tried to salvage the working relationship but by this point the damage was done and Eccleston had decided to leave. The director was never invited back. Cut to some years later and Moffat approaches Eccleston to star in the 50th. The entire behind the scenes crew is different now and Eccleston is on board. They script and story board with his involvement in mind. He even screen test his updated costume. At some point before filming Caroline Skinner and Moffat have a massive public arguement that leads to her being fired and Moffat replacing her. This isn't announced at the time. Speculation internally is that Moffat and Skinner had been having an affair. Eccleston gets wind of this, talks to Skinner in private and decides not to bother with any of it again.
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# ? Mar 21, 2018 20:21 |
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We'll probably know soon enough, because it looks like he feels ready to talk about it. I expect that he'll say more.
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# ? Mar 21, 2018 20:34 |
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PriorMarcus posted:He even screen test his updated costume. I hadn't heard of these two points before, the latter in particular is quite depressing.
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# ? Mar 21, 2018 20:34 |
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Jerusalem posted:I hadn't heard of these two points before, the latter in particular is quite depressing. I've never seen either of the points come from anywhere but PriorMarcus, for what it's worth, although I didn't end up reading the version of the 50th with Eccleston in it that was available for purchase awhile back, maybe it's in there?
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# ? Mar 21, 2018 20:39 |
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Bicyclops posted:I've never seen either of the points come from anywhere but PriorMarcus, for what it's worth, although I didn't end up reading the version of the 50th with Eccleston in it that was available for purchase awhile back, maybe it's in there? Yeah, don't forget that echoplex pretty conclusively proved last year that PriorMarcus' "insider" information is third-hand at best.
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# ? Mar 21, 2018 21:00 |
Timby posted:Yeah, don't forget that echoplex pretty conclusively proved last year that PriorMarcus' "insider" information is third-hand at best. I've always been upfront about the fact that my knowledge came from people who worked on the show and not from myself directly. Here's me talking about the show going on a years break and then Peter leaving from back in 2015 before any of that was announced. https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3550205&pagenumber=118&perpage=40#post450283490 I've not been the perfect font of knowledge no, but I do get bigger details right.
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# ? Mar 21, 2018 22:34 |
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nine-gear crow posted:Well, the guy has royally trashed just about every schlocky big budget project he's been attached to in the last decade. There may well be a common deniminator here, and its name just might be *hristopher *celston.... How dare anyone criticise the artistic tour de forces of *checks notes* GI Joe and Thor 2?
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# ? Mar 22, 2018 03:43 |
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GI Joe was bad at being a GI Joe film, which is not a very high bar
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# ? Mar 22, 2018 03:44 |
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MrL_JaKiri posted:How dare anyone criticise the artistic tour de forces of *checks notes* GI Joe and Thor 2? It's not, I'm just saying I seem to have to wrack my brain to come up with any time Eceleston has ever said anything positive about almost anything he's been attached to.
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# ? Mar 22, 2018 03:49 |
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nine-gear crow posted:It's not, I'm just saying I seem to have to wrack my brain to come up with any time Eceleston has ever said anything positive about almost anything he's been attached to. He had nothing but good things to say about Cage and I've not heard him bad mouth Heroes too much
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# ? Mar 22, 2018 04:03 |
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nine-gear crow posted:It's not, I'm just saying I seem to have to wrack my brain to come up with any time Eceleston has ever said anything positive about almost anything he's been attached to. You don't think this might be because you only hear about what Eccleston thinks of a project when it's negative? "That job was ok" is in no way newsworthy
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Frankly, I'd rather hear actors talk about how much they hated working on some project that they clearly did just for the money. Nowadays everyone does the "oh I had a wonderful time on set, we were like one big family" thing, and nine times out of ten it's complete bullshit that they're basically ordered by the studio or network to spout during interviews.
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