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BioEnchanted posted:Steven Universe and Rick and Morty are 2 sides of the same coin, direct opposites - one is a show about how being nice to everyone will save the world, one is a show about how lovely everyone is inherently, and both have heavily toxic idiots in their fanbase. Also down to dynamics, Morty is Steven in a universe where Garnet's unquestioning world view is the norm, and Steven is Morty in a universe where Rick actually listens to Morty's better nature. In this metaphor Garnet is Rick - the differences are that Garnet is much nicer than Rick although sharing flaws like thinking she knows everything when she doesn't and being initially cold to newcomers, and Morty is a horrible little pervert who initially shares Steven's naivety, and both become more wise about how the world really works as the shows go on and they see more of it. Sir, this is a McDonald's drive-thru.
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Typical posted:I wanted to edit this so you could all first hand see how the entire animation industry works. Its sort of the way of life out here in LA though. We prepare for for this sort of rocky employment though. I myself live a spartan life style, consuming only the essential things I need to survive, Sandwiches, Coffee, and gaming pc parts. I got tons of material and an entire season's worth of scripts for an aborted show but can't draw so I'm worth gently caress-all.
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Mar 24, 2018 22:41
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BioEnchanted posted:Steven Universe and Rick and Morty are 2 sides of the same coin, direct opposites - one is a show about how being nice to everyone will save the world, one is a show about how lovely everyone is inherently, and both have heavily toxic idiots in their fanbase. I swear it must be the same toxic idiots who migrate from fanbase to fanbase and ruin everything. It's like you can see a clear progression of MLP - Homestuck - Undertale - SU - R&M of something getting popular, getting ruined by the fanbase then a migration on to the next obsession.
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Mar 24, 2018 22:56
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I mean, I happen to enjoy both, but manage to function in broader society.
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Mar 24, 2018 23:15
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BioEnchanted posted:I mean, I happen to enjoy both, but manage to function in broader society. You post on SA, so no, you don't.
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Mar 24, 2018 23:23
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T-man posted:You post on SA, so no, you don't. 
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Mar 24, 2018 23:23
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the secret is that terrible people unfortunately also happen to like things, and the best thing to do in every situation where they like the same thing you do is to ignore them and move on
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Mar 24, 2018 23:24
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T-man posted:You post on SA, so no, you don't. I said Broader society, not Fatter society. I never claimed to function here. Although to distract from that weak retort - it would be an amusing gag for Drunk Rick to end up binging a fictionlised version of a modern children's cartoon only to get really into it to a weird level. Morty walks in and he's all "IT'S GONNA HAPPEN MORTY! They're gonna unify the people after centuries of bullshit Morty! It's gonna be hard, but they're gonna do it! This ain't your product placement GI Joe cr*belch*ap Morty this is REAL POLITICS! I'ts loving Palestine all over again!" BioEnchanted fucked around with this message at 23:36 on Mar 24, 2018 |
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Mar 24, 2018 23:26
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Can't you just watch whatever show you want to watch and not care about the fanbase? Since when did the quality of the fanbase become a factor for the enjoyment of a show? There are people who are going to obsess over anything to an unhealthy degree, for whatever psychological reasons. Sometimes it's gonna be things you enjoy. That does not mean anything about you or the thing you enjoy. Keep enjoying the thing.
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Mar 24, 2018 23:45
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BioEnchanted posted:I said Broader society, not Fatter society. I never claimed to function here. That or he portals to a world obsessed with a cartoon and tears into it for five minutes straight, then portals out... to a McDonalds and orders mcnuggets with that loving szechuan sauce.
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Mar 24, 2018 23:49
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BioEnchanted posted:It's almost ironic that he was such a turd considering if it weren't for a powerful woman he would be a nobody (Lucille Ball and her husband produced OG Star Trek through Desilu Studios. A lot of nerds ended up Loving Lucy and not knowing why It's also shocking how frequently auteurs use the most despicable and authoritarian tactics to create the most democratic works of fictions. Well, maybe not that shocking given the definition of auteur...
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Mantis42 posted:I hope they cancel Rick and Morty and give all its budget to, say, that Mike Tyson Show or The Venture Bros. You know, shows that are also good but don't have screaming redditer fans. Counterpoint, Rick and Morty doesn't star a convicted rapist
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Mar 25, 2018 01:26
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Only because Justin Roiland hasn’t been convicted yet.
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VanSandman posted:Only because Justin Roiland hasn’t been convicted yet. Fair point.
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El Gallinero Gros posted:Counterpoint, Rick and Morty doesn't star a convicted rapist on the other hand, mike tyson actually served time for it and arguably genuinely did pay his debt to society. like, it makes me feel gross too, but there's at least an argument to be made that Adult Swim aren't being immoral dicks by giving him a job, it's a hairy issue and not just a black-and-white "gently caress this guy forever."
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:on the other hand, mike tyson actually served time for it and arguably genuinely did pay his debt to society. like, it makes me feel gross too, but there's at least an argument to be made that Adult Swim aren't being immoral dicks by giving him a job, it's a hairy issue and not just a black-and-white "gently caress this guy forever." Yeah. I guess I just lumped it in with Hollywood's tendency to give people chance after chance when they show no remorse or interest in changing. Tyson's a guy where he never really had a chance because of his upbringing, dude's trainer was the closest thing he ever really had to a dad.
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El Gallinero Gros posted:Yeah. I guess I just lumped it in with Hollywood's tendency to give people chance after chance when they show no remorse or interest in changing. Tyson's a guy where he never really had a chance because of his upbringing, dude's trainer was the closest thing he ever really had to a dad. I didn't have a dad either and I never raped anyone.
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Mantis42 posted:I hope they cancel Rick and Morty and give all its budget to, say...The Venture Bros. now we're talking
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socialsecurity posted:I didn't have a dad either and I never raped anyone. are you similar to mike tyson in any other ways?
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socialsecurity posted:I didn't have a dad either and I never raped anyone. do you also, like mike tyson, have significant brain damage from getting punched in the head over and over and over again like, i think that's frankly more of a mitigating factor than the parent thing, it's a loving miracle the man's still capable of walking with how hosed his brain is
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Mar 25, 2018 04:12
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He also went from being some random teenager to being told he was the greatest boxer in the world. That could mess up anyone.
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Mar 25, 2018 04:16
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He also raped a lady
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PostNouveau posted:He also raped a lady and was convicted and served his time and is now a beloved television personality and comedian And Dan Harmon sexually harassed and emotionally abused and manipulated women in his staff to be miserable to the point that it traumatized them for years and then apologized and his victim accepted it It’s almost like redemption is possible if people open up their mind to the possibility that lovely people doing lovely things and then genuinely feeling bad about them, but I guess that’s not the wokest and most progressive opinion (which is that lovely behavior tarnishes you forever and you’re just an rear end in a top hat until you die and there’s never anything else lol what an open-minded way to live)
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Bust Rodd posted:It’s almost like redemption is possible Nah
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If we can give Bob Saget America's Funniest Home Videos even after he raped and killed a girl in 1990, I think we can give Tyson a chance.
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Yestermoment posted:If we can give Bob Saget America's Funniest Home Videos even after he raped and killed a girl in 1990, I think we can give Tyson a chance. I thought that was Glenn Beck.
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Rexides posted:Can't you just watch whatever show you want to watch and not care about the fanbase? Since when did the quality of the fanbase become a factor for the enjoyment of a show? Some people cannot enjoy a thing unless both the fan base and the creators are good and unimpeachable by the morals of the day. And some people never forgive, not even the tiniest misstep, let alone a super gross one. 
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Then you never really understood in the first place, and are just using morality and ethics as fashion. The fan who ruins a popular thing, on a scale which actually matters.
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CAPT. Rainbowbeard posted:Some people cannot enjoy a thing unless both the fan base and the creators are good and unimpeachable by the morals of the day. Ehh, not the same thing. If someone told me that they dropped Rick & Morty after Ganz's revelations about Harmon, I could understand why. Not something I would do, but I could understand where that person's values lie. But refusing to watch a show because of the fanbase is something I really, really can't wrap my head around. It's not the 1930s any more, if you want to watch an audiovisual work it's not your only option to go to the cinema and subject yourself to other fans.
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Wow, that's a really depressing thing to say. 
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Rexides posted:Ehh, not the same thing. If someone told me that they dropped Rick & Morty after Ganz's revelations about Harmon, I could understand why. Not something I would do, but I could understand where that person's values lie.
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“I can’t watch Rick & Morty because of the awful way Dan Harmon treated Megan Ganz!” I post on my iPhone made of cobalt and platinum mined from the earth by African slave orphans and cobbled together in a Chinese sweat shop...
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Nephthys posted:I swear it must be the same toxic idiots who migrate from fanbase to fanbase and ruin everything. It's like you can see a clear progression of MLP - Homestuck - Undertale - SU - R&M of something getting popular, getting ruined by the fanbase then a migration on to the next obsession. BioEnchanted posted:I mean, I happen to enjoy both, but manage to function in broader society. T-man posted:You post on SA, so no, you don't. 
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If you let other people you don’t like enjoying something ruin your enjoyment of something... like not everyone who smokes weed is cool, not everyone who listens to music is cool, not everyone who enjoys cartoons is cool, it’s just the most pedantic way to live (and also tells people that the perception you give off regarding your media trends is more important to you than actually consuming the media you purport to enjoy, which means you probably only watched it because it was popular and not because you enjoyed it, u fuggin’ poser)
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Takoluka posted:I thought that was Glenn Beck. It's a joke from the roast of Bob Saget. Gilbert Gottfried kept saying "even though Bob Saget raped and killed a girl in 1990" as part of his jokes. It was later appropriated to be used as a Glenn Beck joke. Much like how a bunch of the Bill Brasky jokes from SNL became Vin Diesel jokes and then became Chuck Norris jokes.
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Mar 25, 2018 17:23
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Have you written your elected representatives to insist on mandatory life imprisonment for rapists?
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Bust Rodd posted:“I can’t watch Rick & Morty because of the awful way Dan Harmon treated Megan Ganz!” I post on my iPhone made of cobalt and platinum mined from the earth by African slave orphans and cobbled together in a Chinese sweat shop... It's true, there is no ethical consumption under capitalism, good point
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People need to think they're good on the inside so picking something that's easy to do passively that's ethical is a good way for someone who is otherwise completely compromised feel alrightabout themselves
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basic hitler posted:People need to think they're good on the inside so picking something that's easy to do passively that's ethical is a good way for someone who is otherwise completely compromised feel alrightabout themselves All this needs is a burp and a Morty and it becomes a Rick quote.
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Yestermoment posted:If we can give Bob Saget America's Funniest Home Videos even after he raped and killed a girl in 1990, I think we can give Tyson a chance. This post might be a joke, but he didn't. "Based on a joke originally used by comedian Gilbert Gottfried at a 2008 comedy roast of Bob Saget, where Gottfried jokingly implored listeners to disregard the (non-existent) rumor that his fellow comedian raped and murdered a girl in 1990. I" https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Beck_v._Eiland-Hall Also I would be amazed if Rick and Morty were actually cancelled. Pretty sure some friends in Vancouver are actively animating on the next season.
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