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Hat Thoughts posted:Lol @"virtue signaling" & she didn't say it was "consensual" (which would require - consent - & not saying "I didn't think it was a big deal retroactively even though I'm writing them into my memoirs"). Also, it being the 70s absolutely informs the power dynamic & Williams absolutely abused that power dynamic. You don't have to think it's a big deal if you don't think it is, there's no obligation to feel any specific way about this. But it's important not to misrepresent the reality of the situation. Hi, Even though you've clearly stated you didn't have a problem with it, we're advising you that we're outraged because even though we've only got a two to three sentence summary of a situation that was obviously more complex considering it took place over 4 years of the show being filmed, we've collectively decided that it was abuse, since you're obviously too stupid/powerless/uninformed to know when you're being oppressed or abused. Regards, The Internet.
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I don’t think we’re quite at “The Cosby Show is now tainted” with Robin Williams. If something new and horrifying comes out about him, sure. Retroactively hate him. But you can’t really equate a guy who hosed with men and women as a dirty joke with a serial date rapist who drugged dozens of women.
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# ? Mar 26, 2018 04:42 |
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21 Muns posted:Killing yourself is not a get-out-of-jail-free card
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# ? Mar 26, 2018 04:48 |
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Come on seriously, it’s not like we are saying he should be brought back and then executed. At the risk of sounding like Matt Damon there are levels to this. If this was the only time this happened and it was never “worse” than this then a “robin Williams shouldn’t have done this and it’s not ok to excuse it” and then be on your way. But “his movies made me feel like he’s a nice man” and “old woman excuses poo poo she shouldn’t” doesn’t mean we should forget what it is or was either. I mean listen to yourselves. “It was the 70s, he was on drugs, he did it to everyone! He’s a goofball!” That poo poo rightfully should not fly and it wouldn’t if it happened today (hopefully)
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# ? Mar 26, 2018 05:21 |
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I'll just pee on his walk of fame star.
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# ? Mar 26, 2018 06:08 |
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Is there really any point to getting mad about behavior that no one involved claims to be victimized by?
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# ? Mar 26, 2018 07:42 |
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Given the pattern of these things, might be a good idea to reserve judgement for a while, because this might get someone to come out who does say they feel victimised by his behaviour. But until then, no need to try to jump the gun to try to claim a scalp. It's about solving a problem and preventing future harm, not about finding enemies to claim victory over.
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# ? Mar 26, 2018 09:33 |
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There's also the fact that he's literally dead already which means there's really no urgency at all.
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# ? Mar 26, 2018 09:56 |
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If 2018 has taught me anything, it’s that utterly destroying someone’s reputation based on as little information as possible is arguably more important than ignoring anyone’s claims, however sedate and meaningless they might appear to be. “Once at Christmas party I bumped into George Clooney and wouldn’t you know it, we were under the mistletoe and he smooched me!” “Actually ma’am George Clooney mouth raped you.” “But I love George Clooney and he’s so sweet and charm-“ “Raped your mouth, miss, with his mouth.” -this thread (No one bring up the Katy Perry mouth rape scene from American Idol, where she tricks an incel into making out with her and then he came out as like “that was really gross”) (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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# ? Mar 26, 2018 13:45 |
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If you bumped into George Clooney under a mistletoe and he just kissed you right there on the spot, that’s not a good thing and is in fact bad.
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# ? Mar 26, 2018 19:32 |
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https://twitter.com/AnOpenSecret/status/978404217244172289 Shocking, I'm sure.
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# ? Mar 27, 2018 00:25 |
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Yup. He's finally hosed.
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# ? Mar 27, 2018 00:28 |
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This means some horrible story is going to come out in t-minus 48 hours isn't it.
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# ? Mar 27, 2018 00:31 |
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His career is gonna go toes up akk akk akk
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# ? Mar 27, 2018 00:36 |
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Reading stories it's just declining to renew rather than immediate dismissal or cutting ties, so Nick might just be playing it safe with any potential breaks. Though even if there wasn't any imminent story I'd expect this to be a springboard.
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# ? Mar 27, 2018 00:39 |
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Kay Kessler posted:https://twitter.com/AnOpenSecret/status/978404217244172289 Wasn't this the exact guy that a whole bunch of people were up in arms about the dangers of leaping to conclusions about?
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# ? Mar 27, 2018 01:45 |
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Snowman_McK posted:Wasn't this the exact guy that a whole bunch of people were up in arms about the dangers of leaping to conclusions about? Hey, you don't know. You don't know. You don't know.
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# ? Mar 27, 2018 01:50 |
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Man, I can hardly believe that Dan Schneider may indeed have some dark, perverted goings-on within the network. He seems like such a genuine, kind-hearted fellow. But really, I was honestly starting to believe he was never gonna face any consequences for the creepy poo poo he's done.
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# ? Mar 27, 2018 01:55 |
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I mean I don't see the harm in waiting until actual allegations surface. It's not like our saying "I'll bet X is next" actually helps anyone anywhere.
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# ? Mar 27, 2018 01:57 |
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This literally has nothing to do with sexual assault; dude's just done working with Nickelodeon. Good for him; hope he enjoys his retirement (or whatever other project he's moving onto!). Please don't conflate cases where we have actual accusers and details of incidents with cases that are just salacious internet mobs driven by hate. If Dan Schneider were a creep, we would have found out about it a long time ago; he's an extremely important media figure. Nickelodeon isn't stupid, and Paramount is no Weinstein company. That said, if anything actually bad comes out about Dan I will eat my words on this. (It's not going to; he's fine.) (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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# ? Mar 27, 2018 02:11 |
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21 Muns posted:If Dan Schneider were a creep, we would have found out about it a long time ago; he's an extremely important media figure. I'm amazed that you wrote this with a straight face. Unless you are laughing.
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# ? Mar 27, 2018 02:13 |
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21 Muns posted:Please don't conflate cases where we have actual accusers and details of incidents with cases that are just salacious internet mobs driven by hate. Isn't that exactly what you were doing with Robin Williams and saying he victimized a woman who already said she wasn't a victim? e: ^^ ngl I've been 60% sure 21 Muns is a troll/doing a gimmick in thia thread for a while now
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# ? Mar 27, 2018 02:20 |
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Snowman_McK posted:I'm amazed that you wrote this with a straight face. Unless you are laughing. I get what you're trying to say here, but before the story broke with, say, Weinstein, Weinstein wasn't who everyone was pointing at. They were all pointing at Dan Schneider. He's under tons of scrutiny, in a way that people who have actually turned out to be rapists (Weinstein, Spacey, CK, Ansari) have not. And that scrutiny is pretty clearly baseless if it's been this long and no one's managed to actually come up with anything. esperterra posted:Isn't that exactly what you were doing with Robin Williams and saying he victimized a woman who already said she wasn't a victim? You don't need to literally be a rapist to be worth removing from polite society.
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# ? Mar 27, 2018 02:30 |
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21 Muns posted:This literally has nothing to do with sexual assault; dude's just done working with Nickelodeon. Good for him; hope he enjoys his retirement (or whatever other project he's moving onto!). Please don't conflate cases where we have actual accusers and details of incidents with cases that are just salacious internet mobs driven by hate. If Dan Schneider were a creep, we would have found out about it a long time ago; he's an extremely important media figure. Nickelodeon isn't stupid, and Paramount is no Weinstein company. That said, if anything actually bad comes out about Dan I will eat my words on this. (It's not going to; he's fine.) i time traveled here from april 2018 just to say: lol
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# ? Mar 27, 2018 02:31 |
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21 Muns posted:I get what you're trying to say here, but before the story broke with, say, Weinstein, Weinstein wasn't who everyone was pointing at. They were all pointing at Dan Schneider. He's under tons of scrutiny, in a way that people who have actually turned out to be rapists (Weinstein, Spacey, CK, Ansari) have not. And that scrutiny is pretty clearly baseless if it's been this long and no one's managed to actually come up with anything. Weinstein, Spacey and CK all had a shitload of smoke and rumours for loving years. They were exactly who people were looking at.
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# ? Mar 27, 2018 02:34 |
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Spacey being gay and into young men/boys had been an open secret for as long as I can remember.
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# ? Mar 27, 2018 02:36 |
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21 Muns posted:This literally has nothing to do with sexual assault; dude's just done working with Nickelodeon. Good for him; hope he enjoys his retirement (or whatever other project he's moving onto!). Please don't conflate cases where we have actual accusers and details of incidents with cases that are just salacious internet mobs driven by hate. If Dan Schneider were a creep, we would have found out about it a long time ago; he's an extremely important media figure. Nickelodeon isn't stupid, and Paramount is no Weinstein company. That said, if anything actually bad comes out about Dan I will eat my words on this. (It's not going to; he's fine.) What a loving bizarre knee jerk response.
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# ? Mar 27, 2018 02:37 |
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They've been full of hot takes ever since they started posting in here.
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# ? Mar 27, 2018 02:39 |
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esperterra posted:Spacey being gay and into young men/boys had been an open secret for as long as I can remember. Yeah, I mean I remember reading about Spacey like, 6-7 years ago. The CK thing was pretty well spoken of as well. And everybody seemed to hate Weinstein. Thing about Hollywood is you’re invincible until you’re not. And when you’re not, rumors get real real fast
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exquisite tea posted:This means some horrible story is going to come out in t-minus 48 hours isn't it. That or Sumner Redstone's on his deathbed.
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# ? Mar 27, 2018 02:54 |
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21 Muns posted:Nickelodeon isn't stupid, and Paramount is no Weinstein company. Since everyone already got on you for convincing yourself that there was no smoke over Weinstein et al., I'm just going to point out that this is also really dumb. Institutional sexism, rape culture, and exploitation are not the result of stupidity. The whole point of bringing scrutiny to the severity of the Weinstein company's horrific abuses is to educate people that the problem is not isolated, but rooted in ideology. To say 'Paramount is no Weinstein company' intrinsically undermines that entire project. This is what happens as superficial attempts to remain 'rational' inevitably devolves into rational denialism. It's exactly as dumb as when folks get in a huff about white folks being called "devils," like it actually has any concrete effect on their social, cultural, political, and economic power and privilege. Oh, no, a rich white man is being accused of pedophilia because he has a peculiar fascination with little kids' feet! What sort of hatefulness of spirit could lead them to that intuition?
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# ? Mar 27, 2018 04:17 |
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21 Muns posted:I get what you're trying to say here, but before the story broke with, say, Weinstein, Weinstein wasn't who everyone was pointing at. They were all pointing at Dan Schneider. He's under tons of scrutiny, in a way that people who have actually turned out to be rapists (Weinstein, Spacey, CK, Ansari) have not. And that scrutiny is pretty clearly baseless if it's been this long and no one's managed to actually come up with anything. There has never been anyone who accused Louis CK of rape, nor was any kind of conduct that would be considered rape a part of his confession. Even if you count what Ansari did as rape (which is somewhat ambiguous), it's flat-out disingenuous to call CK a rapist rather than just a sexual assaulter. As for Schneider, here's a long Twitter thread detailing posts made about him on Crazy Days and Nights. CDAN is not a wholly reliable source, but this thread does have the related circumstantial evidence against Schneider, which stretches back over 10 years. https://twitter.com/JohnDoe78359022/status/978403425758171137
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# ? Mar 27, 2018 04:49 |
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Huh, and I was mostly guessing about Schneider having gotten Jamie-Lynn Spears pregnant, but looks like I'm not the only one who connected the dots. He's basically been the fox in charge of the henhouse for decades now.
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# ? Mar 27, 2018 10:22 |
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I always knew the Amanda Bynes but Dan Schneider’s tenure actually perfectly aligns with what I had always perceived as Nickelodeon’s “decade of sexy teens” and now that I have this info I’m gonna.. continue to not watch shows for pedophiles that hypersexualize children. The JLSpears this is insane and also kind of lines of with Britney melting down so maybe becoming so famous that you accidentally got your sister raped by her producer is what actually drove her completely insane. Jesus Hollywood is a wet dumpster fire
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# ? Mar 27, 2018 13:35 |
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Bust Rodd posted:I always knew the Amanda Bynes but Dan Schneider’s tenure actually perfectly aligns with what I had always perceived as Nickelodeon’s “decade of sexy teens” and now that I have this info I’m gonna.. continue to not watch shows for pedophiles that hypersexualize children. I don't doubt it was a contributing factor in prolonging her mental break, but spears had her mental break in jan/Feb of 07, according to Wikipedia, ie the time when she shaved her hair.
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# ? Mar 27, 2018 13:54 |
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Snowman_McK posted:Wasn't this the exact guy that a whole bunch of people were up in arms about the dangers of leaping to conclusions about? As soon as I saw Bakkoonn's tweet about it I immediately came back here to see if the guy who was talking about the rumors being a longtime 4chan-orchestrated smear campaign had decided to double down or not.
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# ? Mar 27, 2018 14:47 |
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I dunno, they make a bunch of insinuations but it's all based on the dude's own social media posting. When you're famous for literally grooming nubile teens, you should probably be more circumspect about the way you represent yourself.
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# ? Mar 27, 2018 14:56 |
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That thread is loving crazy tweens doing coke and being abused all the loving time What the Christ is wrong with hollywood
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# ? Mar 27, 2018 18:31 |
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Phi230 posted:That thread is loving crazy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_DqV1xdf-Y
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Phi230 posted:What the Christ is wrong with hollywood Do people really not know?
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