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Longmire had a Cheyenne advisor on-set and also went and cast a lot of Cheyenne actors and extras, too.
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Mar 26, 2018 17:51
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big cummers ONLY posted:The teacher in the saved but the Bell was like "Zach you're racist!" But then Zach went to go talk to a real Native American so when he did another report it wasn't racist. Even though I'm almost positive he was still wearing headgear and poo poo. (Either way it was definitely still racist) SBTB was always terrible and hasn't aged worth a poo poo. The turd just got harder and stopped stinking and steaming so bad. It was the 90's version of The Brady Bunch, which also had a weird Native American episode come to think of it, and anyone nostalgic for it views those shows through similar lenses: Kitschy goofball "how did I ever like this?" sort of poo poo.
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Mar 26, 2018 18:09
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It is great on weed but so is everything
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Mar 26, 2018 18:36
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Inescapable Duck posted:Sad thing is that's pretty much 99% of the representation Native Americans got or seem to ever get. When the stereotypes became distasteful it seems like they disappeared from media. About the only non-stereotypical Native American I can think of on a mainstream show is John Redcorn, and even he still parodies elements of the stereotype. Scratching my head to come up with another example, first one to pop up was Michael Horse's role as Deputy Hawk on Twin Peaks. It's been probably over 20 years since I watched it, so someone correct me, but I seem to recall it being okay? (Then again, there were no doubt a lot of things I wouldn't have noticed as being offensive 20 years ago. Hence, this thread)
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Mar 26, 2018 19:18
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Other than Kimmy Schmidt, the only Native Americans I've seen in media recently have been in super depressing documentaries about alcoholism and suicide on reservations. Thanks, VICE.
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Mar 26, 2018 19:29
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BiggerBoat posted:SBTB was always terrible and hasn't aged worth a poo poo. The turd just got harder and stopped stinking and steaming so bad. It was the 90's version of The Brady Bunch, which also had a weird Native American episode come to think of it, and anyone nostalgic for it views those shows through similar lenses: Kitschy goofball "how did I ever like this?" sort of poo poo. I watched Saved By the Bell a few years ago ever since I listened to the Go Bayside podcast, and yeah, the only way anyone can ever watch it is out of nostalgia, like me. The entire show makes more sense if you imagine it as being written by a bunch of 50-year-old men that just don't care.
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Mar 26, 2018 19:53
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JacquelineDempsey posted:Scratching my head to come up with another example, first one to pop up was Michael Horse's role as Deputy Hawk on Twin Peaks. It's been probably over 20 years since I watched it, so someone correct me, but I seem to recall it being okay? (Then again, there were no doubt a lot of things I wouldn't have noticed as being offensive 20 years ago. Hence, this thread) Ehh... Hawk is a great character and he is portrayed as a good person, good cop, capable, etc. But he does fall into the trope where he's forced to explain weird things to white people, and talk about the spirits and legends and stuff. But like, it's Twin Peaks and all that stuff is demonstrably real. And the Log Lady does that stuff too but it's presented as cryptic words from her log and not an ancient Indian tale or whatever. It's one of the better portrayals but it's not perfect.
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Mar 26, 2018 19:54
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JacquelineDempsey posted:Scratching my head to come up with another example, first one to pop up was Michael Horse's role as Deputy Hawk on Twin Peaks. It's been probably over 20 years since I watched it, so someone correct me, but I seem to recall it being okay? (Then again, there were no doubt a lot of things I wouldn't have noticed as being offensive 20 years ago. Hence, this thread) Hey Dude had Danny Lightfoot and an entire episode dedicated to him dunking on the city kid about how lovely all American's lives would be without the things the Native Americans had taught them or invented.
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Mar 26, 2018 19:54
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I will never understand how Saved by the Bell is classified as E/I programming on MeTV, especially since it follows two hours of Beakman's World and Bill Nye the Science Guy.
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Mar 26, 2018 20:01
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Solice Kirsk posted:Hey Dude had Danny Lightfoot and an entire episode dedicated to him dunking on the city kid about how lovely all American's lives would be without the things the Native Americans had taught them or invented. Wow they managed to get him to talk about something other than the Edmund Fitzgerald for once.
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Mar 26, 2018 20:18
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purple death ray posted:Ehh... Hawk is a great character and he is portrayed as a good person, good cop, capable, etc. But he does fall into the trope where he's forced to explain weird things to white people, and talk about the spirits and legends and stuff. But like, it's Twin Peaks and all that stuff is demonstrably real. And the Log Lady does that stuff too but it's presented as cryptic words from her log and not an ancient Indian tale or whatever. What’s the alternative though? No spirit stuff? His culture somehow being totally oblivious to it all?
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Mar 26, 2018 20:38
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Yeah, I dunno. Like I said, he's a great character and I wouldn't change anything about Twin Peaks (the first season, at least). I think it's just that I live in Oklahoma, and you get pretty saturated with the pseudo-mysticism associated with the way white people view Native cultures and I can't help but roll my eyes a little bit when it happens, even in a context where it makes sense.
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Mar 26, 2018 21:07
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Hakuchimoya, I am far from the sacred bones of my ancestors,
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Mar 26, 2018 21:19
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Chakotay anyone?
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Mar 26, 2018 21:37
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AvesPKS posted:Chakotay anyone? Memory Alpha (the Star Trek wiki) listed his species as "Native American" for a while.
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Mar 26, 2018 21:50
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Didn't the Native American advisor they had for Voyager turn out to be a white conman? e: Yes, yes he did: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamake_Highwater Sunswipe has a new favorite as of 21:58 on Mar 26, 2018 |
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Mar 26, 2018 21:56
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I remember people being upset when Robert Beltran was cast as a Native American, to the point he had to constantly remind people in interviews that the U.S. wasn't the only part of America.
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Mar 26, 2018 23:02
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But his character was specifically from a US tribe.
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Mar 26, 2018 23:14
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Aphrodite posted:But his character was specifically from a US tribe. iirc he was supposed to be Mayan or some other Central American tribe, but they threw in traits from a whole bunch of native tribes from all over North America.
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Mar 26, 2018 23:20
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It's hilarious how much Robert Beltran hated being on Trek. I remember him demanding an absurd amount of money to stay on the show and they gave it to him lol. He was cursed to stiffly roam the decks of Voyager Poor son of a bitch
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Mar 26, 2018 23:39
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Last Chance posted:It's hilarious how much Robert Beltran hated being on Trek. I remember him demanding an absurd amount of money to stay on the show and they gave it to him lol. He was cursed to stiffly roam the decks of Voyager Well, there was little chance of an Eating Raoul sequel.
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Mar 26, 2018 23:55
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Wheat Loaf posted:Memory Alpha (the Star Trek wiki) listed his species as "Native American" for a while. probably referencing that TNG ep that made the incredibad decision to establish that First Nations peoples moved to their own planet at some point.
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Choco1980 posted:probably referencing that TNG ep that made the incredibad decision to establish that First Nations peoples moved to their own planet at some point. I mean by that point there were, what, like 25 total of them left on the Earth?
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mojo1701a posted:I watched Saved By the Bell a few years ago ever since I listened to the Go Bayside podcast, and yeah, the only way anyone can ever watch it is out of nostalgia, like me. yeaaaa I hadn't watched it since I was young getting one of my first crushes on Mario Lopez and BOY was Go Bayside a reveal that when you take away the fog of 'woah so THAT'S what I'm into' it's a bad fukkin show even by dumb young person show standards.
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purple death ray posted:
This reminds me of Ken Hotate on Parks and Rec who in one episode ends up making up an Indian curse because he knows the white people will believe it. And thanks to the internet I just found out that the actor who played Chief Hotate, Jonathan Joss, was also the voice of John Redcorn.
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Mar 27, 2018 04:12
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King of Foolians posted:This reminds me of Ken Hotate on Parks and Rec who in one episode ends up making up an Indian curse because he knows the white people will believe it. Best bit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvfKBOp9VlI
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Mar 27, 2018 04:19
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King of Foolians posted:This reminds me of Ken Hotate on Parks and Rec who in one episode ends up making up an Indian curse because he knows the white people will believe it. We do love our Rachel Ray/Matchbox 20, and are terrified of curses, it's true.
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Mar 27, 2018 04:19
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The Simpsons did this in 2003 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxru23Ry0uQ
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Mar 27, 2018 04:51
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All summer camps used to make up fake native poo poo 100% of the time back in the day. hosed up.
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Mar 27, 2018 05:12
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This commercial aged badly https://youtu.be/Bt2nV7ietFw
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Mar 27, 2018 05:51
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One of many sad things is, apparently a ton of Americans have native heritage they don't know about.
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londonarbuckle posted:This commercial aged badly That was the weirdest loving band: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNAr5tzZxdk
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In the late 80s/early 90s War of the Worlds TV series I was pretty sure there was a Native American military guy who (when introduced, at least) just never seemed to show any sort of the stereotypical stuff. I rewatched the pilot several years ago and it was really sort of interesting all things considered in how it felt like opposite day (from what I remember). -The scientist guy lead isn't trying to be the peacemaker or anything with them, he actively wants to murder Martians from word go. -The above mentioned Native American guy. -The pilot ends with the US Gov. and the military being 100% onboard with this crazy scientist and his plan to hunt down and kill Martians. There's no hint of "Well, better luck convincing us in the next episode, Doctor. Until then..."
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sexpig by night posted:yeaaaa I hadn't watched it since I was young getting one of my first crushes on Mario Lopez and BOY was Go Bayside a reveal that when you take away the fog of 'woah so THAT'S what I'm into' it's a bad fukkin show even by dumb young person show standards. It always pissed me off that Zack was a superhero with the power to stop time yet he did nothing with it. Nothing. Also there was a character on Shining Time Station who was native American and I remember there was an episode that specifically dealt with his background and culture in a respectful way. AvesPKS has a new favorite as of 11:50 on Mar 27, 2018 |
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Mar 27, 2018 11:01
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Sunswipe posted:Didn't the Native American advisor they had for Voyager turn out to be a white conman? Reminds me of good ol' Iron Eyes Cody aka that dude in the littering Psa. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Suu84khNGY https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Eyes_Cody
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Inescapable Duck posted:One of many sad things is, apparently a ton of Americans have native heritage they don't know about. That's Crazy Talk.
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JediTalentAgent posted:In the late 80s/early 90s War of the Worlds TV series I was pretty sure there was a Native American military guy who (when introduced, at least) just never seemed to show any sort of the stereotypical stuff. The only thing I can really remember about that show is that there was an episode where the Martians were filling up a big rear end jar with human brains.
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AvesPKS posted:It always pissed me off that Zack was a superhero with the power to stop time yet he did nothing with it. Nothing. Yeah, Tom Jackson is a very prominent aboriginal activist and actor and a good one at that: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Jackson_(actor)
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These people insulting SBTB are getting me pretty steamed up! https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PXyWgLBrAyE
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