Ridicule Audiophiles - Find the cat shit's resonant frequency

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qirex: Feb 15, 2001

Zorak of Michigan posted:

My gut tells me they built it in response to customer demand.

Don't get me wrong, if I could successfully sell a light bulb in a metal box for $1500 I'd do it in a second and probably not even feel bad about it. At least they're not claiming it does anything besides light up.

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# ? Apr 24, 2024 10:35

grack: Jan 10, 2012; COACH TOTORO SAY REFEREE CAN BANISH WHISTLE TO LAND OF WIND AND GHOSTS!

qirex posted:

Don't get me wrong, if I could successfully sell a light bulb in a metal box for $1500 I'd do it in a second and probably not even feel bad about it. At least they're not claiming it does anything besides light up.

Don't worry, their customers will.

# ? Mar 28, 2018 23:27

taqueso: Mar 8, 2004

The light makes use of the extra electrons before they can get into the system and noise it all up.

# ? Mar 29, 2018 18:14

KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD: Jul 7, 2012

Ahahah, oh, this is a thing too

# ? Mar 29, 2018 22:57

qirex: Feb 15, 2001

KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD posted:

Ahahah, oh, this is a thing too

The extra $300 is because in addition to lighting up it has a clock.

# ? Mar 29, 2018 23:27

Lowness 72: Jul 19, 2006; BUTTS LOL; Jade Ear Joe

KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD posted:

Ahahah, oh, this is a thing too

I prefer my clocks with tubes. Really warms up the time.

# ? Mar 29, 2018 23:37

ssb: Feb 16, 2006; WOULD YOU ACCOMPANY ME ON A BRISK WALK? I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK WITH YOU!!

I have a Marantz SR6011 and I think it looks decent, although it's in a network/AV closet so I never see the thing anyways. Their older stuff looks cool in its own way but I really am not a fan of either designs from back then or the current retro stuff that borrows heavily from that kind of thing. Just personal taste, and mine is probably bad. I'm OK with that.

Lowness 72 posted:

I prefer my clocks with tubes. Really warms up the time.

Completely opposite of my general dislike of older aesthetics, I freakin love nixie tubes, as long as they're in an application it makes sense.

# ? Mar 30, 2018 03:33

pofcorn: May 30, 2011

It lights up and it has meters!!

# ? Mar 30, 2018 13:31

Qwijib0: Apr 10, 2007; Who needs on-field skills when you can dance like this?; Fun Shoe

Zorak of Michigan posted:

My gut tells me they built it in response to customer demand.

Feels very much like a dealer prop that customers wanted to own so they offer it at a price that they don�t have to make a lot of them

# ? Apr 1, 2018 18:00

KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD: Jul 7, 2012

It's actually kind of cool! Just, $40 cool, not $1800 cool.

# ? Apr 2, 2018 03:20

3D Megadoodoo: Nov 25, 2010

qirex posted:

The base conceit of audiophiles is their sheer determination that they know better than everyone else, including people who design and manufacture electronics for a living as well as the people who record and mix the music .

It's because they're literally all engineers. (Or retired engineers.)

# ? Apr 2, 2018 09:28

evobatman: Jul 30, 2006; it means nothing, but says everything!; Pillbug

Jerry Cotton posted:

It's because they're literally all engineers. (Or retired engineers.)

I deal a bit in vintage audio and I am on Facebook groups where there are tons of retired engineers. These people have literally built up countries around the world, they have built oilrigs and airfields, and handground parts for fighter jet engines and supertanker coolant systems.

Replace a belt on a tape deck? Noooooo, can't do that without a service manual. 3D print a plastic knob or a foot for an old record player? Black magic! Impossible! The only option is to wait years for a parts player to show up! Maybe scan in a rare AM/FM scale glass for a radio so that you can reproduce clean copies? gently caress off!

But they will happily tell you that partsbin receivers made in the death throes of a bankrupt niche audio manufacturer sound better than anything Sony, Denon or Pioneer ever made.

# ? Apr 3, 2018 17:32

qirex: Feb 15, 2001

Oppo, makers of super expensive blu ray players are closing up their consumer electronics wing and the AVS people are mad about having to buy "plastic crap" from other companies.

If only there was some way to take music from discs and convert it to another format!

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I don't mind a plastic 4k blu ray player for 200 bucks, but I demand a good music player and my preferred format is disc, sacd, dvd-a, and cd. I'll continue to baby my 95 which plays sacd, DVD-a and ripped CDs via usb. Pick up a 205? Don't know, but I'll now pay more attention to what's available in a CD/SACD players for my next music player, maybe a marantz.

Not wanting to pay $650-1600 for a digital disc transport = desire for cheap plastic crap

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Sad, but it goes to show that the American public just wants cheap throwaway crap versus quality built products. I feel for the people I've dealt with at Oppo because they have always been awesome to do business with. They will be missed.

No True Oppo Owner

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Most guys who own Oppos would never consider streaming. Best PQ and AQ is number one to us and NetFlix doesn't cut it. Sorry dude.

# ? Apr 3, 2018 17:58

3D Megadoodoo: Nov 25, 2010

So why not just keep using the old one you have :confused:

# ? Apr 3, 2018 18:35

synthetik: Feb 28, 2007; I forgive you, Will. Will you forgive me?

Jerry Cotton posted:

So why not just keep using the old one you have

Because they don�t actually own one yet. Most of the people that idolize this crap can�t afford it, and like to pretend they do on message boards.

# ? Apr 3, 2018 18:53

Panty Saluter: Jan 17, 2004; Making learning fun!

evobatman posted:

I deal a bit in vintage audio and I am on Facebook groups where there are tons of retired engineers. These people have literally built up countries around the world, they have built oilrigs and airfields, and handground parts for fighter jet engines and supertanker coolant systems.

Replace a belt on a tape deck? Noooooo, can't do that without a service manual. 3D print a plastic knob or a foot for an old record player? Black magic! Impossible! The only option is to wait years for a parts player to show up! Maybe scan in a rare AM/FM scale glass for a radio so that you can reproduce clean copies? gently caress off!

But they will happily tell you that partsbin receivers made in the death throes of a bankrupt niche audio manufacturer sound better than anything Sony, Denon or Pioneer ever made.

A lot of engineers are part of a very superstitious, woo-woo lot but because they have Rigorous Engineer Training every idea they hold is very rational and good

# ? Apr 3, 2018 19:14

ssb: Feb 16, 2006; WOULD YOU ACCOMPANY ME ON A BRISK WALK? I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK WITH YOU!!

I have an Oppo UDP-203 (and a BDP-103 that was its predecessor) and really like it. But I also use spotify all the drat time. The oppo is overpriced but it has some features I like. I'm not overly heartbroken about them closing their consumer division - by the time another format comes out I'm sure there will be something else that has said features, or I won't need/want them anymore.

# ? Apr 3, 2018 19:29

KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD: Jul 7, 2012

I'm down for an oppo CD player or pair of headphones if they go on deeeeeeeep discount.

# ? Apr 3, 2018 22:34

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Panty Saluter posted:

A lot of engineers are part of a very superstitious, woo-woo lot but because they have Rigorous Engineer Training every idea they hold is very rational and good

Oh god yes. The university I went to is known for engineering, but I studied science. The biggest difference I noticed between the scientists and engineers is the the engineers don't care about the "why". They just follow whatever they were taught. And of course, because it's a lot easier to get a job in engineering rather than science, they're really cocky too.

# ? Apr 4, 2018 01:42

Panty Saluter: Jan 17, 2004; Making learning fun!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdkyGDqU7xA

This is a very cool and interesting video that also ties in nicely to the whole engineers conversation. His bit on why a resonant plane is so much more "natural" than a pistonic driver is such classic find a conclusion and build an argument to it and it just makes me :spergin:

# ? Apr 4, 2018 01:49

KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD: Jul 7, 2012

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pgroce: Oct 24, 2002

KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD posted:

Oh, honey.

The best part is when we discover it isn�t even a good clock.

# ? Apr 4, 2018 19:45

Panty Saluter: Jan 17, 2004; Making learning fun!

I have no idea if any pros use that model but a really good master clock is invaluable in a studio using dozens of pieces of equipment that need to stay in absolute lockstep to not have your very expensive production turn into mud.

As far as syncing a single source to a DAC.....eh, not so much

# ? Apr 5, 2018 03:11

KozmoNaut: Apr 23, 2008; Happiness is a warm
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It doesn't even have to be super accurate, as long as every device in the chain is slaved to the same clock.

# ? Apr 5, 2018 08:28

Palladium: May 8, 2012; Very Good
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Yeah that sub -100dB jitter noise is really smearing the music

# ? Apr 7, 2018 03:50

5-HT: Oct 17, 2012

from our own headphone thread

Bodyholes posted:

While ASR is a useful site, it's important to keep in mind the limitations of measurements. Measurements often tell you about edge cases but not how well a device actually performs for typical listening. That especially holds true for amps.

The O2 amp is a classic example of this. In terms of distortion and linear volume it measures well, but in practice it's clearly lacking in detail compared to other amps even in the price range, and it tends to sound artificially loud and fatiguing in any passage of music. It's also very lacking in the power department. Yet everyone on r/headphones says that's all you need, while angrily pointing to the O2 doing perfect square waves, and there are folks at ASR that claim to be fully content running Aeon Flows off of them (my ears hurt just thinking about that).

It's the sort of thing I would classify as "objectivist snake-oil", overextending the implications of a measurement without applying the same skepticism towards its value. The tech equivalent is like someone pointing to Internet Explorer getting a good score on Sunspider and saying "aha, clearly it's the fastest then"! You can design dacs and amps to handle edge cases perfectly and then suck for general listening unfortunately, which makes all of this more difficult than it has to be.

# ? Apr 13, 2018 21:05

GonadTheBallbarian: Jul 23, 2007

lol nice

# ? Apr 13, 2018 21:13

KozmoNaut: Apr 23, 2008; Happiness is a warm
Turbo Plasma Rifle

O2 lacking in power? That's pretty rich.

# ? Apr 14, 2018 07:52

Palladium: May 8, 2012; Very Good
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Measurements don't matter because I don't like the results and the buyer remorse is kicking in, so I will use the same old tired "you can't disprove an orbiting teapot exists" argument.

# ? Apr 15, 2018 04:18

Blue Footed Booby: Oct 4, 2006; got those happy feet

Palladium posted:

Measurements don't matter because I don't like the results and the buyer remorse is kicking in, so I will use the same old tired "you can't disprove an orbiting teapot exists" argument.

It's always amazing when people use that argument against empiricism.

# ? Apr 15, 2018 12:06

grack: Jan 10, 2012; COACH TOTORO SAY REFEREE CAN BANISH WHISTLE TO LAND OF WIND AND GHOSTS!

KozmoNaut posted:

O2 lacking in power? That's pretty rich.

The guy making the original post was running the O2 on batteries, and said Goon was copy-pasting it as proof that it wasn't a good amp.

# ? Apr 16, 2018 23:52

ntan1: Apr 29, 2009; sempai noticed me

Yeah I was pretty surprised that ^ was the response to my post.

Even better is that I work in the tech industry and understand JIT compilation measurements and performance benchmarks of browsers and they are completely different from audio.

# ? Apr 17, 2018 02:11

Bargearse: Nov 27, 2006; 🛑 Don't get your pen🖊️, son, you won't be 👌 needing that 😌. My 🥡 order's 💁 simple😉, a shitload 💩 of dim sims 🌯🀄. And I want a bucket 🪣 of soya sauce☕😋.

TomR posted:

Post a photo please. This thread is for mocking people's home decorating and carpet cleaning skills. Plus I like to see speakers.

I meant to post this ages ago but I totally forgot. Please make fun of my mediocre housekeeping skills.

# ? Apr 18, 2018 14:10

Panty Saluter: Jan 17, 2004; Making learning fun!

Bargearse posted:

I meant to post this ages ago but I totally forgot. Please make fun of my mediocre housekeeping skills.

nice empty dvd case just left out. how do you live with yourself

# ? Apr 18, 2018 14:56

Don Lapre: Mar 28, 2001; If you're having problems you're either holding the phone wrong or you have tiny girl hands.

Furniture with built in physical media storage, how retro

# ? Apr 18, 2018 15:28

A Lone Girl Flier: Sep 29, 2009; This post is dedicated to all those who fell by the forums, for nothing is wasted, and every apparent failure is but a challenge to others.

please tell me those speaker stands have gas struts in them

# ? Apr 18, 2018 15:45

TomR: Apr 1, 2003; I both own and operate a pirate ship.

Bargearse posted:

I meant to post this ages ago but I totally forgot. Please make fun of my mediocre housekeeping skills.

Thank you. Those speakers look delightfully silly.

# ? Apr 18, 2018 16:58

D1E: Nov 25, 2001

Bargearse posted:

I meant to post this ages ago but I totally forgot. Please make fun of my mediocre housekeeping skills.

White Xbox LOL.

# ? Apr 18, 2018 18:33

Kivi: Aug 1, 2006; I care

qirex posted:

Oppo, makers of super expensive blu ray players are closing up their consumer electronics wing and the AVS people are mad about having to buy "plastic crap" from other companies.

Pfft. Cambridge Audio did a series of players based on those Oppos and were even more expensive and hopefully had even less "plastic crap"

I bought the Cambridge Audio 752DB as it was the cheapest non-lovely HDMI to 7.1 preamp and it has suited my needs quite well. My next best option was either to hunt down a Chinese 7.1 preamp that does 4k HDMI or just go and buy the best preamp/AV from Marantz (ugly for the price), Denon (I dunno I don't like them), Anthem (my god they're ugly and go for that much??) or the actually somewhat okay looking Yamaha. Shame that they're over 2k, whereas the overpriced "Blu-Ray player" had 2 SPDIF inputs, two 2 HDMI ins, competent universal file player, played all but the UHD Blu-Ray 12 cm discs available for consumers was going for 1k so I picked that one.

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# ? Apr 24, 2024 10:35

Bargearse: Nov 27, 2006; 🛑 Don't get your pen🖊️, son, you won't be 👌 needing that 😌. My 🥡 order's 💁 simple😉, a shitload 💩 of dim sims 🌯🀄. And I want a bucket 🪣 of soya sauce☕😋.

Waldo P Barnstormer posted:

please tell me those speaker stands have gas struts in them

Sadly no.

But they bloody well should.

# ? Apr 18, 2018 22:54

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