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Here's a thread to talk about The Expanse TV show for those of us who have read the books. Talk about anything from any of the books. There's been 7 of them so far. The series is about half way through book 2 but is doing it's own thing so much that it's kind of unpredictable what will happen when. Season 3 premieres on April 11th of SYFY. The first seasons are available on Amazon Prime in the States and on Netflix everywhere else. Much like last season it's unlikely that the show will air the day after transmission on Netflix but I guess we might get lucky. Here's a trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MowKgO0IeyU I don't think, as speculated that the planetary collision means were seeing the OPA attack on Earth this season, instead I think it comes from Holden's vision in the slow zone of how the alien civilisation collapsed.
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Mar 11, 2018 21:28
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PriorMarcus posted:I don't think, as speculated that the planetary collision means were seeing the OPA attack on Earth this season, instead I think it comes from Holden's vision in the slow zone of how the alien civilisation collapsed. Not a supernova then? Is Thomas Jane confirmed to be back?
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Mar 11, 2018 21:59
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Collateral posted:Not a supernova then?  https://twitter.com/casanvar/status/972915596521164800?s=21
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Mar 11, 2018 22:05
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Yeah it's way too early for the OPA/Earth conflict, it could be a reference to what goes down on Venus or as they're coming in on the evil hybrid missile base, lots of possibilities there. If they get to the Holden visions then they've basically gotten through all of book 3, which with how they've paced things so far would shock me but I'd be pretty down for it. I think they either end the season with the gate formed (which is as good a place as any to leave it off if, god forbid, the show got cancelled) or they end just as poo poo starts really popping in the slow zone, maybe with Holden launching off toward the center station or something.
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Mar 17, 2018 22:00
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they're filming seasons 3 and 4 back to back if I remember correctly, so we got at least one more to go.
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Mar 17, 2018 22:06
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uber_stoat posted:they're filming seasons 3 and 4 back to back if I remember correctly, so we got at least one more to go. And being filmed back-to-back, it may be easier to bring Miller back earlier! 
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Mar 17, 2018 22:15
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uber_stoat posted:they're filming seasons 3 and 4 back to back if I remember correctly, so we got at least one more to go. Oh I might have heard that and forgotten it, it sounds familiar. Well great then if you do two seasons I would go full on through to the end of the slow zone conflict and the new status quo of that, and then when you're hopefully renewed you can get into the wild OPA stuff and set out on a whole new arc. If you aren't renewed then well, it absolutely sucks for the viewer but it leaves off the characters/show with a sense of accomplishment, safety and wonder at the incredible possibilities ahead for humanity. Mixing up the timing would be very fun, I'd love to see that happen earlier and see it change how things go down slightly compared to the book. It also seems like an obvious season 3 cliffhanger shocker to do.I dunno why I'm so hung up on where they leave off at the end of each season  .
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Mar 17, 2018 23:51
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I figure that we might get some of the earth related plot while the events of 4 are taking place, we get stuff back in system from the other characters getting the ball rolling on the book 5 plot. Similar to how we got earthside plot in the first season.
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Mar 18, 2018 04:12
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I wanna see more Mars in general
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Mar 18, 2018 08:47
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Seeing Bobbie going back to Mars and getting sucked into the missing ships intrigue while Holden and crew are past the rings seems like one way to help make the book 4 plot not seem as much of a detour from the core narrative. Cortezar could also be used too depending on when the show wants to introduce Durerte, same goes for Fred Johnson and Dawes in the belt dealing with OPA politics and more gently introducing Marco and Filip to the story.
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Mar 19, 2018 04:21
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Yeah I just finished book 4 today and am wondering how they plan to incorporate that into the show as it's so isolated. Also will they keep the revolving door policy on characters like the books? Or will we keep seeing more avasarala and Bobbie for instance instead?
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Mar 19, 2018 04:29
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Kingtheninja posted:Yeah I just finished book 4 today and am wondering how they plan to incorporate that into the show as it's so isolated. Also will they keep the revolving door policy on characters like the books? Or will we keep seeing more avasarala and Bobbie for instance instead? My guess is what was brought up above, showing more of the background stuff that'll lead into the big events. More of Bobbie sniffing around, Avasarala not being completely blindsided by what goes down but still not being able to get the whole picture (maybe we see her get a secret intel report on the stealth tech being destroyed and have some suspicions there's more to it, but not find out the details in time), etc. It's not quite as jarring as it seems since they already cut between people so much anyway and they're not necessarily all involved in the same plot moment-to-moment, more often they're part of what's going on but don't realize it like how Holden and Miller were both tracking protomolecule stuff but didn't meet until the end of S1. I think there's enough political stuff to hold down the fort, and I'd be all for seeing characters get fleshed out more before the big goings-on and see how they gathered power or made their plans, since in the books it's very much "hey all this crazy poo poo went down and we didn't see it coming" and while I liked the way the books were written, I think the right approach to the show is to not have these new characters suddenly take center stage but rather build them up more over time, I can think of a few who they could make super likeable and relatable before giving them huge baggage or showing them to be awful.
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Mar 19, 2018 05:32
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Given how important it was, I felt like the Martian mass mutiny was rather undersold in the books before poo poo went down, giving Bobbie more to do by working undercover for Chrissie looking into discontent on Mars and the missing ships would be nice. Similarly having events in the belt give us more of the background on how Marco got his army together would bridge the gap pretty nicely. If Diogo doesn't end up being the first person through the ring, he could also be a perspective character for the OPA politicing, and Cortezar could keep the human side of the PM plot thread moving too.
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Mar 19, 2018 19:12
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So is this the thread that won't have people crying about spoilers every half page? I havent read the books (I might at some point idk) but I don't care about spoilers. Season 3 is gonna be loving awesome, I'm hype.
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Mar 28, 2018 01:04
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ATP_Power posted:Given how important it was, I felt like the Martian mass mutiny was rather undersold in the books before poo poo went down, giving Bobbie more to do by working undercover for Chrissie looking into discontent on Mars and the missing ships would be nice. Similarly having events in the belt give us more of the background on how Marco got his army together would bridge the gap pretty nicely. If Diogo doesn't end up being the first person through the ring, he could also be a perspective character for the OPA politicing, and Cortezar could keep the human side of the PM plot thread moving too. I honestly think Marco with be a lieutenant to Dawes. Dawes is an established character and won't come out of leftfield like Marco did in the books. Have Naomi's old love interest (domineering abuser really), and her old gang, be an incidental characters behind Dawes makes a lot of sense.
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Mar 28, 2018 12:25
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Collateral posted:I honestly think Marco with be a lieutenant to Dawes. Dawes is an established character and won't come out of leftfield like Marco did in the books. Have Naomi's old love interest (domineering abuser really), and her old gang, be an incidental characters behind Dawes makes a lot of sense. This seems like a sensible tie-in, and makes Dawes later character choices make sense if he's all about loving with Earth and Mars but doesn't grasp how Marco is REALLY about loving up Earth and is willing to team up with Mars to do it.
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Mar 30, 2018 12:39
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Episode titles 3.01 - Fight Or Flight 3.02 - IFF 3.03 - Assured Destruction 3.04 - Reload 3.05 - Triple Point 3.06 - Immolation 3.07 - Delta-V 3.08 - The Investigator 3.09 - Aberrations 3.10 - Dandelion Sky 3.11 - Objects In Motion 3.12 - Congregation 3.13 - ??? (lol it's gonna be Abaddon's Gate)
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Mar 31, 2018 02:43
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sweet, Investigator is in.
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Mar 31, 2018 02:46
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Hmmmm...so if we end at Book 3, is season 4 all Slow Zone, or do they try and smoosh wormPlanet in there so they don't have to ditch half the cast if there is a fifth season? I really just want to see Amos and Bubbles wander the post-apocalypse...is that so much to ask?
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Mar 31, 2018 02:58
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Cibola burn has about as much plot as a pretty good Stargate 2-parter (and I say this as someone who likes that book more than I probably should) so I can't see it taking up a whole season. this season probably ends with Holden's vision of the alien civ dieing and the 2nd slowdown
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Mar 31, 2018 02:59
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Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:Hmmmm...so if we end at Book 3, is season 4 all Slow Zone, or do they try and smoosh wormPlanet in there so they don't have to ditch half the cast if there is a fifth season?
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Mar 31, 2018 03:08
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Eiba posted:I mean, Dandelion Sky is episode 10. We'll be getting some slow zone here. Heck, I'm kind of wondering if they can compress all the important bits of Abbadon's Gate into 6 episodes (starting with "Investigator") and they probably could. Depending on how many seasons they think they'll get they could wrap up an abbreviated Abbadon's Gate this season, and skip straight into Nemesis Games to get to the juicy stuff quicker. An episode earlier I think, "Delta-V" is probably gonna feature the slingshotter shooting the ring and getting turned into paste e: i'm unreasonably excited that they named an episode Dandelion Sky
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Mar 31, 2018 03:11
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They have mentioned the Inaros collective as being present at the big OPA get together on Tycho.
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Mar 31, 2018 03:44
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ATP_Power posted:They have mentioned the Inaros collective as being present at the big OPA get together on Tycho. I love that the first episode sets this up with Avasalara questioning the belter about ~stolen stealth tech~. 
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Mar 31, 2018 03:53
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Holy poo poo they're doing it
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Mar 31, 2018 18:05
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kerwyn posted:An episode earlier I think, "Delta-V" is probably gonna feature the slingshotter shooting the ring and getting turned into paste I think Objects In Motion will probably be the first slow zone disaster after Holden goes Galaxy Brain? Phi230 fucked around with this message at 18:11 on Mar 31, 2018 |
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Mar 31, 2018 18:08
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Congregation will be everyone getting on the big ship, Abaddon’s Gate will be finding out they want to blow up the gate. Resolution next season.
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Mar 31, 2018 19:14
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It's such a shame they hosed their pacing so badly having to bridge a book between every season. It throws the whole narrative off.
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Mar 31, 2018 19:34
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I said in the main thread I have nothing to add, but on reflection I do. It's really kind of odd how early they're introducing Anna, but it fits with how they did Bobbie and Avasarala. I really hope it ends up expanding the character, like Avasarala, rather than just dragging out nothing like Bobbie. I guess Anna's not as inherently interesting as either of those characters so it'll be hard to pull it off, but I guess she's going to be our eyes into the UN while Avasarala's off on her Jupiter adventure, so I'm interested to see what she ends up doing there.
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Apr 19, 2018 06:09
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I imagine that she's going to be how we're introduced to Clarissa for the first time, and then it gives us an on-screen building of their relationship as opposed to the off-screen "they knew each other from when she was a kid" thing the books do.
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Apr 19, 2018 16:20
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Is this the thread where I can bitch about Anna's hair not being Red?
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Apr 19, 2018 18:20
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I don't remember much about Ana from the books except that she was kinda lowkey annoying, but for some reason I took an instant liking to her on the show.
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Apr 19, 2018 18:31
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bloom posted:I don't remember much about Ana from the books except that she was kinda lowkey annoying, but for some reason I took an instant liking to her on the show. Yeah, good casting there. It's looking like we will get to the Slow Zone this season!
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Apr 19, 2018 18:33
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Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:Yeah, good casting there. It's looking like we will get to the Slow Zone this season! I don't usually care much for tviv liveposting but I am looking forward to seeing the unspoiled thread's reactions to that. It's such a drastic change to the rules the world plays by.
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Apr 19, 2018 18:47
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bloom posted:I don't usually care much for tviv liveposting but I am looking forward to seeing the unspoiled thread's reactions to that. It's such a drastic change to the rules the world plays by. I have to imagine there will be some small backlash from people mad about the show going from relatively grounded space flight and politics stuff to alien weirdness.
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Apr 21, 2018 03:28
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uber_stoat posted:I have to imagine there will be some small backlash from people mad about the show going from relatively grounded space flight and politics stuff to alien weirdness. There probably will be, yet I think the alien stuff plays a more central role early on than it does for most of the rest of the story so far, in a way. Compared to the Protomolecule outbreak and arms race, the Slow Zone and the dangers on alien worlds are more like window dressing for humans doing the same terrible poo poo they've always done to each other.
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Apr 21, 2018 04:30
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Toast Museum posted:There probably will be, yet I think the alien stuff plays a more central role early on than it does for most of the rest of the story so far, in a way. Compared to the Protomolecule outbreak and arms race, the Slow Zone and the dangers on alien worlds are more like window dressing for humans doing the same terrible poo poo they've always done to each other. yeah, that's true, and IIRC Holden basically has a monologue saying as much. people are people, even if they are colonizing space using reality bending alien tech.
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Apr 21, 2018 04:39
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uber_stoat posted:yeah, that's true, and IIRC Holden basically has a monologue saying as much. people are people, even if they are colonizing space using reality bending alien tech. That's clearly the books Shtick, but the interesting part is that there is this protomolecule thingie that changes how people think about being people. There the whole 'what the hell is it' which is rewarding in it's own way, but then there are these larger affects that kinda come out of the blue as they occur that seem more obvious in hindsight. Mars is dead, the Belt is now obsolete are really interesting and game changing ideas. Where the series really shines is matching the evolving mystery of just what the hell this protomolecule is with new ideas that people come up that breaks the status-quo. We kinda got away from that with in the Marcos 2 parter, but it looks like we're getting back to it with the Laconians. But that's a long way away in the TV series. They are still in the thick of thinking it's bad alien stuff. Does Ghost Miller shows up before 3.08 - The Investigator?
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Apr 23, 2018 14:20
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drewhead posted:Does Ghost Miller shows up before 3.08 - The Investigator? I imagine he'll show up right at the end of the episode before that saying the name of this thread.
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I am NOT okay with Aversala praising James Holden or his decisions. 
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