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hobbesmaster posted:isn’t that really about the xy problem though? in many cases (where we're not concerned exactly with exactly how our programs run, only what they do, which tbh is most cases) I would say the XY problem is literally the mindset split between the declarative/functional (I kinda hate both terms) and the "imperative" crowd
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Flat Daddy posted:I failed a nodejs take home for not using OOP. I just used modules cuz I didn’t need state variables but I guess they wanted prototype inheritance or something. The problem was process a text file that’s a list of transactions and print the end state so I just parsed and then used reduce() this is one of those cases where the interview process filters out interviewers you absolutely do not want to work with
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GenJoe posted:this is one of those cases where the interview process filters out interviewers you absolutely do not want to work with
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Flat Daddy posted:I failed a nodejs take home for not using OOP. I just used modules cuz I didn’t need state variables but I guess they wanted prototype inheritance or something. The problem was process a text file that’s a list of transactions and print the end state so I just parsed and then used reduce() They did you a favour. Good rule of thumb, if you see JavaScript anywhere, run a million loving miles.
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javascript, php, or loaded gun?
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I've done c# for years. Its not the language it's thinking in objects.
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Sapozhnik posted:javascript, php, or loaded gun? dehumanize yourself and face to JavaScript seriously JavaScript is going to be everything in the near future because we live in s cyberpunk hellscape ruled by donald loving trump
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ive got the final onsite interview with startup B this week, still waiting for startup A to schedule final onsite with them, i hoping they do it soon so i can (fingers crossed) have 2 competing offers if B offers me a job next week, how fast do things move? i could take a couple of days to think it over, would they have me come to their office and then sign a contract, once contract is signed then i could hand in notice at current job? if i get an offer from startup A, could i try pitting one aagainst the other?
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Apr 5, 2018 00:32
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If not in America, an employer cannot withdraw an offer you've accepted without good reason. In America it makes no difference when to tell your employer because at will bitch.
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Apr 5, 2018 03:02
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Valeyard posted:ive got the final onsite interview with startup B this week, still waiting for startup A to schedule final onsite with them, i hoping they do it soon so i can (fingers crossed) have 2 competing offers you can straight up tell startup B you are waiting on A being startups they will definitely try stupid poo poo like timebombed offers etc. every 20-something thinks he's the smart one who "hacked" recruiting. but it's all bullshit. (no offer is actually time bombed unless they have another candidate they like just as much) professional courtesy demands that you be clear with them about timelines. it is completely ok to say you won't make a final decision until date N, pending another interview. just don't leave it up in the air edit: you can also tell A that this is time sensitive, and you're excited about the position, but we need to get this poo poo ironed out
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Apr 5, 2018 04:18
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you see plain old procedural languages didn't provide enough opportunity for idiot programmers to gently caress things up so we had to throw in continuation passing
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thedailywtf doesn't take nodejs submissions because 1) even competent nodejs code is too sliced up to present coherently 2) the platform is fragmented by infinite combinations of npm libraries 3) there's no audience of self-respecting node programmers 4) AOTA
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:
yeah so A (my preferred place just now) came back to me today and apologised for taking so long to schedule things since they are busy, and asked me for more times im available next week i wasnt sure whether to tell them that i will have an interview tomorrow with another place (B) and if we could try to schedule it as soon as possible in the end i didnt tell them, but i did ask that they schedule it as soon as possible
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Apr 5, 2018 15:16
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i probably should have just told them
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Valeyard posted:i probably should have just told them yup
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A has just offered me a time on Wednesday next week (with the guarentee that they will have a yes/no deicison by the next day) I have an interview tomorrow with B you think if B give me an offer by Monday/Tuesday then i should be able to take a few days till Thursday and have decisions from both of them?
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Valeyard posted:A has just offered me a time on Wednesday next week (with the guarentee that they will have a yes/no deicison by the next day) yes. nobody is going to give you less than a week or two for a major decision like taking a job. you’re worried about two days. it’s not a pop quiz, it’s a life decision.
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Apr 5, 2018 16:00
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I mean really you can buy more time than that just asking for more money and “thinking over” the offer (whether or not it’s changed)
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'i'm also interviewing with another company and need a week or two to complete their process as well' if they try to rush you they're shitlords and you're better off without them. full-stop i've had recruiters throw a 'we need your response in 2 days no exceptions' at me which is a huge red flag. at that point you can just accept their offer and then ditch them a week later if the other company turns out to be better. it's their own fault for being shitlords about it if they get mad at you for it.
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ive asked my dad and perused the Internet and im getting different answers, so Ill ask Goons: would it be bad to leave a job at the year mark? The current job I have is ok. but it can be pretty demanding, and I work with lovely clients (lawyers). Thats manageable but I also get a low salary for programming work. (30k). My previous job was not programming related but I stayed for 2 years, and before that was college. Ive become more confident with my programming skills, and Id like to have a job with a better quality of life, and a better pay. I would like to go back to school at one point for a different STEM degree, but id like to be able more financially stable before going. My dad says I should wait until at least 1.5 years.
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Apr 5, 2018 16:28
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is that 30k in real money cause yeah you need to move on. also theres no reason to stay if you find a better position especially being as new to the workforce as you are.
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are you in america? 30k is criminally low if so
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30k is insanely low, start shopping around. 1 year of experience isn't ideal to start looking but otoh if you can demonstrate that you've learned all the new-programmer basics (using source control, working with a team, some kind of process i.e scrum, etc) then thats the big concern most companies have: "we don't have time to train them"
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yes im in america. Unfortunately the company I work for currently does not have a standardized process, or source control for work. I suppose I could try implementing something myself, just to show that I can. Ive used git before. Additionally, I dont know if it matters but my actual title isn't programmer. It's "Discovery Technician". I work in e-discovery. But i often have to write programs or tools for the company. Tools that are actively being used. I've updated legacy python code to Powershell, written an auto updating tool, written ruby and python scripts to cull legal data. I guess my point is, i know my title isnt programmer but its a significant portion of my job.
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Edgar Allan Pwned posted:updated legacy python code to Powershell me too op i updated a legacy italian sub to a lump of stool yesterday afternoon
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Edgar Allan Pwned posted:yes im in america. Thats fair, then in interviews (and maybe cover letters) you should emphasize the amount of programming you do. Definently try and introduce source control and some kind of process (scrum, kanbahn, whatever). Both because that will look good to companies you interview with, and also because they're just good things.
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Some dumb email spam posted:Nerd Ninjas is looking for a Server Engineer to join our team! If tracking new ground in the gaming world excites you, this is the company for you! You’ll get to work on a project with novel mechanics targeting millions of concurrent users with a massive marketing budget that the world will know about when it launches. You don’t get opportunities like this every day. What a cute way of saying you're looking for people who work all the time! Haha sounds like such a fun place to work!!!
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Edgar Allan Pwned posted:yes im in america. yeah go get a job anywhere else
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you can also consider looking for QA roles if you have trouble finding jobs on your technical creds (or lack thereof).
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Edgar Allan Pwned posted:yes im in america. consider that if they were to contract this work out they'd be looking at $140-$150 an hour MINIMUM. i know that legal shops are notoriously lovely at considering that anyone but galaxy-brain lawyers deserve any sort of compensation whatsoever but have you talked about this with your boss? from what you've said so far i sincerely doubt that rolling out a standardized pipeline or source control would be viewed as anything but 'ok so he's just typing on a computer what's the big deal'
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not saying you shouldn't do those things anyways- i'm saying it won't help your current situation. it'll look great for interviewers who will pay you a sane salary
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yeah just start doing it while you're looking for a new job. Preferably a real software shop instead of being the "computer guy" for some other office.
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ADINSX posted:yeah just start doing it while you're looking for a new job. Preferably a real software shop instead of being the "computer guy" for some other office. yeah don't be in a cost center.
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my first "software dev" job sounds very similar to yours except mine was in the medical industry. its nice to find people with similarly lovely experiences. in funny job posting new, went to apply at a place that forces you to watch a video about the company before it takes you to the application page. and in sabotaging my own jobsearch news, i found out i had a lovely sarcastic phrase hidden at the bottom of a job description on linkedin. not about the company or anything, but about being a volunteer worker and hearing stupid poo poo from people. im hoping my recent string of ghostings has more to do with bad recruiters than a stupid sarcastic comment but too late to worry about it i guess.
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tbh it’s not obvious to me that a legal discovery shop would need source control, to the extent that each discovery is a one off task and only the results are sent out
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gently caress it man you're not shooting yourself in the foot by ditching a lovely job that pays less than half of what you should be getting. There's literally no downside to putting your resume out there and seeing what happens. Your dad comes from a time when company loyalty was much more common, but people don't tend to stay at one company that long these days. At least right now you'll be getting paid while job hunting.
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Valeyard posted:you think if B give me an offer by Monday/Tuesday then i should be able to take a few days till Thursday and have decisions from both of them? Absolutely you can. And there's no reason to be coy. You should feel free to tell each one that you have another offer in the make, and that you absolutely, positively won't make a choice without the other offer in hand. Just emphasize how excited you are about the position, but, by the way.... This will make everyone happier (clarity) and it improves your negotiating position. (Their first bid may be higher because they suspect they won't get a chance to make a second bid)
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Gazpacho posted:tbh it’s not obvious to me that a legal discovery shop would need source control, to the extent that each discovery is a one off task and only the results are sent out if it beefs up his resume they they need it they’re only payin him 30 grand a year, use it to build experience with stuff you want to learn for your next job, imho.
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C.H.O.M.E. posted:if it beefs up his resume they they need it  actually always do this
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