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MourningView posted:Jimmer didn't have anything close to the same vision or passing, he was strictly a gunner. He never cracked 5 assists a game, Young had almost 9 and led the country in assists per game by almost a full assist Please don’t use facts against me. I am determined to believe he will be trash.
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El Gallinero Gros posted:Is Trae Young turning out similar to Kemba Walker with better range accurate? Kemba is way, way, way more athletic and a better ballhandler and could not shoot very well coming out of college. Trae Young has great vision and is an excellent shooter. They really could not possibly be more different.
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Both Wiggins and KAT are supposed to have the tools to play defense and Thibodeau was supposed to be the answer and teach them defense what happened
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kiimo posted:Both Wiggins and KAT are supposed to have the tools to play defense and Thibodeau was supposed to be the answer and teach them defense what happened KATs defense has actually improved a ton. Wiggins is still a lost cause though
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Paul Zuvella posted:Kemba is way, way, way more athletic and a better ballhandler and could not shoot very well coming out of college. I would say that Kemba had 2 extra years to develop as a ball handler before he jumped to the NBA
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The Glumslinger posted:I would say that Kemba had 2 extra years to develop as a ball handler before he jumped to the NBA This is true but Kemba's also up there with Kyrie for best handles in the league. It's a skill thing so who knows but you probably shouldn't expect Trae to get to that point
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Trae Young's first step is also twice as "good" as Jimmer's, he has Steph Curry agility, but is shorter with smaller wings (what non basketball people call arms). Plenty of guys with his attributes have had good NBA careers. The only way he fails is if he ends up on such a bad team that he never gets any room to shoot. He can probably add core strength in the same way Curry did. He'll never be a run/jump freak, but he only needs to jump high enough to clear a contest or to make a lay up Trey Burke is now a solid NBA player, based on his measureables and college production, I never thought that would happen. Skill and bball iq can trump athleticism Dejan Bimble fucked around with this message at 23:08 on Apr 5, 2018 |
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Paul Zuvella posted:Kemba is way, way, way more athletic and a better ballhandler and could not shoot very well coming out of college. If you insist on doing a historic player comp, break the color barrier and realize this is what Steve Nash would be in the modern NBA (really good)
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Apr 5, 2018 23:24
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I unfortunately seem to have exclusively seen Trae Young's bad games.
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Apr 6, 2018 00:18
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Is Millsap a decent Miles Bridges comp?
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Rick posted:I unfortunately seem to have exclusively seen Trae Young's bad games. He wore down a lot at the end of the year and everyone figured out pretty quickly that he was the only guy on the team who could score
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Rick posted:I unfortunately seem to have exclusively seen Trae Young's bad games. He's v good but will need players who can make buckets on his team in order to succeed
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morestuff posted:Is Millsap a decent Miles Bridges comp? Millsap was a way better rebounder but otherwise I guess kinda.
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morestuff posted:Is Millsap a decent Miles Bridges comp? Bridges reminds me of Josh Smith with a higher basketball IQ and less of an ego. Also a better three point shooter but I don’t know if that will carry over to the longer line. Tobias Harris also gets brought up a lot. Jaren Jackson seems like Myles Turner 2.0 to me if we’re coming up with comps.
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kiimo posted:Both Wiggins and KAT are supposed to have the tools to play defense and Thibodeau was supposed to be the answer and teach them defense what happened Paul Zuvella posted:KATs defense has actually improved a ton. Wiggins is still a lost cause though Has is it improved since this video?. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T890zCRYn0g
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I would say Bridges is a rich man's James Johnson with less manic energy and worse handle. He has the body of an ideal NFL tight end, he's a great leaper and is fast. His wingspan is only 3 inches longer than his height, so he's going to need to be in a system that takes advantages of his shooting and minimizes his lack of dribbling, like Jae Crowder. But he's much more of an athlete. Somewhere I saw the comparison of a combination of Crowder and Justise Winslow, ie Winslow's athleticism and Crowder's touch and defensive instincts, and I think that's an okay comp, if you remember just how athletic Justise Winslow is, and forget how slow and ground bound Jae Crowder is. Izzo had him play small forward all year, because if he could dribble, he'd probably add 100m to his lifetime earnings. That move lowered his rebounding and increased his assist rate. He didn't do a lot of wing stuff, like popping off of picks, very well, but if he gets runway he's unstoppable at the rim. I've seen a lot of old school comps to guys I don't have any memory of, like Larry Johnson and Jerome Kersey, those guys were short fours who could jump very high and push big men around, that obviously misses part of his game, but the point is that he reminds people of historically strong and athletic undersized fours, and he shoots threes at 35.5% Dejan Bimble fucked around with this message at 04:12 on Apr 9, 2018 |
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Khagan posted:Has is it improved since this video?. KAT's improvement really started happening after the Philly game that was a few days before this video was posted, so yeah probably.
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Wiggins has been eye-testing much better on defense too.
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Grand Theft Autobot posted:Wiggins has been eye-testing much better on defense too. Shame about the drastic devolution in every other area of his game then
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I support Givony's new mock draft. Come to me Mikal
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"ah gently caress it just give Philly all the Villanova guys" has a very "always mock the white guy to Utah" vibe and makes me feel like they're not really trying yet.
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Sacramento grabbing their fourth young center feels similar, but then again I guess they're going to have some redundancies no matter what they do
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I would feel pretty good if the Bulls had the ability to pick between Porter Jr. and Trae Young at #7 (even though there's a real chance they'd just pick Mikal Bridges in this scenario)
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MourningView posted:"ah gently caress it just give Philly all the Villanova guys" has a very "always mock the white guy to Utah" vibe and makes me feel like they're not really trying yet. The Bridges one would definitely be a lock if he lasts till 10 but yeah the Brunson one definitely felt like a gently caress it whatever mock pick
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As long as there's any decent non-center there for Charlotte, I'll be happy
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MourningView posted:"ah gently caress it just give Philly all the Villanova guys" has a very "always mock the white guy to Utah" vibe and makes me feel like they're not really trying yet. I thought you were just talking about Bridges but then I saw Brunson, too lol.
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Jota posted:The Bridges one would definitely be a lock if he lasts till 10 but yeah the Brunson one definitely felt like a gently caress it whatever mock pick Yeah Bridges has the benefit of fitting with just about anyone so that makes sense, but once I saw they were getting both of them it was like come on.
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I hope all Villanova's players get drafted by Sacramento.
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MourningView posted:Yeah Bridges has the benefit of fitting with just about anyone so that makes sense, but once I saw they were getting both of them it was like come on. It makes a little bit more sense if they move McConnell this offseason, which is looking like a possibility atm.
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i hear the bulls are really big on Bryant McIntosh, Scottie Lindsey, and that big doughy kid from Loyola
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Redgrendel2001 posted:It makes a little bit more sense if they move McConnell this offseason, which is looking like a possibility atm. Why would they? He's a perfectly decent backup point/very good third string pg earning $1.6m next year. That's a great deal for the team. No-one's going to give up a first for him and Philly doesn't need any more second round picks, they have almost too many as it is.
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tanglewood1420 posted:Why would they? He's a perfectly decent backup point/very good third string pg earning $1.6m next year. That's a great deal for the team. No-one's going to give up a first for him and Philly doesn't need any more second round picks, they have almost too many as it is. They probably won't, but I'd agree it's a possibility. Fultz's unexpected return and solid play makes TJ more expendable. I still like him a lot as the 3rd PG, but I could see the team moving him if they can't find him minutes. I don't know where they're going to find minutes for TLC or Korkmaz next year either, plus whoever they draft. I don't want them to because I love TJ, he's my tiny (who is actually real life tall and my size) scrappy hustle son.
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I don't think Bridges lasts until 10 although I also think that reason will take hold and Bamba and Bagley will fall out of the top 5, but history has shown that reason does not often take hold.
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Rick posted:I don't think Bridges lasts until 10 although I also think that reason will take hold and Bamba and Bagley will fall out of the top 5, but history has shown that reason does not often take hold. This made me think of Maciej Lampe, who many thought would go top 5 and ended up going #30, which was a 2nd rd pick back then. I don't think that'll happen with Bridges, but drafts can pretty wild with expectations vs reality sometimes.
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Rick posted:I don't think Bridges lasts until 10 although I also think that reason will take hold and Bamba and Bagley will fall out of the top 5, but history has shown that reason does not often take hold. I don't really have a problem with Bamba. Mobile big guys who can protect the rim like that can find a place in the league still. Bagley definitely has some serious skinny Jahlil Oakafor potential though
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MourningView posted:I don't really have a problem with Bamba. Mobile big guys who can protect the rim like that can find a place in the league still. Bagley definitely has some serious skinny Jahlil Oakafor potential though I worry with what has happened to Noel and Biyombo that there's at least some chance that role actually might be going away. I know some people are thinking that maybe we're talking about Good Dwight Howard 2.0 but I am not sure he has that relentlessness that Dwight had. I'd still pick him top 10 I suppose so it's nitpicking. You're so right about Skinny Okafor though, although I think Okafor was already way more refined in the post at the same level of experience.
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Rick posted:I worry with what has happened to Noel and Biyombo that there's at least some chance that role actually might be going away. I know some people are thinking that maybe we're talking about Good Dwight Howard 2.0 but I am not sure he has that relentlessness that Dwight had. I'd still pick him top 10 I suppose so it's nitpick I think you have to turn into a good roll man too but you can find guys like that who stick. Gobert (and I realize expecting anyone to be a Gobert level rim protector is dumb but just for the sake of argument) is one of the most valuable guys in the league, DeAndre Jordan has had a nice career, Capela is valuable for the Rockets, etc.
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MourningView posted:I think you have to turn into a good roll man too but you can find guys like that who stick. Gobert (and I realize expecting anyone to be a Gobert level rim protector is dumb but just for the sake of argument) is one of the most valuable guys in the league, DeAndre Jordan has had a nice career, Capela is valuable for the Rockets, etc. If there is anyone in the last few years and next few years that might be Gobertish, its Bamba. He is one of the least likely busts to me. I feel like his floor is Capela-ish, which is fine for a 4-10 pick, i think.
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ButtWolf posted:If there is anyone in the last few years and next few years that might be Gobertish, its Bamba. He is one of the least likely busts to me. I feel like his floor is Capela-ish, which is fine for a 4-10 pick, i think. This rim protection hasn't stood up to the few offenses that got him in rotation this year. Small sample size because college is garbage but it's enough to imply some risk (considering like 27 out of 30 teams play like this in the NBA), and to be absolutely sure a guy's floor is Capela is a little presumptuous to me, especially as MV pointed out it's the offensive part that keeps him on the floor which at least right now isn't there.
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