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Bodyholes
Jun 30, 2005


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Odddzy
Oct 10, 2007
Once shot a man in Reno.
What is a very good low cost IEM I could purchase? I'm not interested in spending 100+ dollars for audio equipment.

MarcusSA
Sep 23, 2007

Odddzy posted:

What is a very good low cost IEM I could purchase? I'm not interested in spending 100+ dollars for audio equipment.

How low? Price range helps.

Also I assume no BT IEM?

KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD
Jul 7, 2012

I recall Brainwavz being well-reviewed.

LochNessMonster
Feb 3, 2005

I need about three fitty


Returned the pair of Sony Hear On 2 I ordered. My pair might have had a bad accu as it died twice over a weekend when thry’re supposed to last 20 hours on a charge. It helped me realize that charging it daily will probably start to annoy me in the long run.

There was also quite some outside bleed from them, even at lower sound levels which surprised me and is probably annoying for other people in an open workspace.

So I guess I’ll order a pair of DT770s after all.

grack
Jan 10, 2012

COACH TOTORO SAY REFEREE CAN BANISH WHISTLE TO LAND OF WIND AND GHOSTS!

Odddzy posted:

What is a very good low cost IEM I could purchase? I'm not interested in spending 100+ dollars for audio equipment.

What's your price range and what are you going to use them for?

Don Lapre
Mar 28, 2001

If you're having problems you're either holding the phone wrong or you have tiny girl hands.
Buy some $20 anker bluetooth ones.

grack
Jan 10, 2012

COACH TOTORO SAY REFEREE CAN BANISH WHISTLE TO LAND OF WIND AND GHOSTS!
Oh, and in crazy Chi-fi land, KZ just released their long awaited ZS10 IEMs: 5 driver hybrids with 4 BAs and 1 dynamic per side. Cost? A little under $50

https://www.gearbest.com/earbud-headphones/pp_1707252.html

Gunder
May 22, 2003

I'd like to get some recommendations for the best sub-£400 Bluetooth headphones I can get for portable use. They'll be paired with my iPhone X for walking around a city mostly, with an occasional long train journey. I don't want in-ear headphones. I've been recommended the Bose Quiet Comfort 35 II, the Sennheiser Momentum 2.0 Wireless and the Sennheiser PXC 550, but thought I'd check here first! The headphones I use most often (and enjoy) are the Sennheiser PC 363D. I do prefer to have a slight bass emphasis, as long as it doesn't swamp the rest of the mix. I mostly listen to hip-hop and electronic music (all kinds).

Edit: I've also seen people recommend the Sennheiser HD-1, but they look identical to the Momentum. Are they the same thing?

Edit2: They also must have a microphone for answering calls.

Gunder fucked around with this message at 22:23 on Apr 9, 2018

5-HT
Oct 17, 2012

Gunder posted:

I'd like to get some recommendations for the best sub-£400 Bluetooth headphones I can get for portable use. They'll be paired with my iPhone X for walking around a city mostly, with an occasional long train journey. I don't want in-ear headphones. I've been recommended the Bose Quiet Comfort 35 II, the Sennheiser Momentum 2.0 Wireless and the Sennheiser PXC 550, but thought I'd check here first! The headphones I use most often (and enjoy) are the Sennheiser PC 363D. I do prefer to have a slight bass emphasis, as long as it doesn't swamp the rest of the mix. I mostly listen to hip-hop and electronic music (all kinds).

Edit: I've also seen people recommend the Sennheiser HD-1, but they look identical to the Momentum. Are they the same thing?

Edit2: They also must have a microphone for answering calls.

just try to go and demo some Bose QC35 II's or Sony WHM-1000XM2's they're very very similar and meet all of your specs. the Sony is a bit more colored and has some nice gesture features, but the QC's are much more neutral. whatever your preference is, they're still the top of the line.

or pre-order these if you can afford the wait, https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/mobius-immersive-cinematic-3d-audio-headphone-headphones/#/

they're pretty much Audeze EL-8's, that are wireless, with some really really nice dsp. so best of both worlds. fully expect this headphone to win out over Sony and Bose save for ANC features.

5-HT fucked around with this message at 22:58 on Apr 9, 2018

Gunder
May 22, 2003

Thanks for the recommendations. How fiddly are the touch controls? Touch controls on things that you can't see while operating always seem to be very error prone in my experience.

5-HT
Oct 17, 2012

Gunder posted:

Thanks for the recommendations. How fiddly are the touch controls? Touch controls on things that you can't see while operating always seem to be very error prone in my experience.

they're pretty refined on the Sony's from what I've experienced

Josh Lyman
May 24, 2009


Gunder posted:

Edit: I've also seen people recommend the Sennheiser HD-1, but they look identical to the Momentum. Are they the same thing?
They are identical to the Momentum 2.0, just with a better build. I actually listened to the wired version of these on Friday though I had to use an iPhone 6S and Spotify Premium. They sounded good but not mind-blowing. They're kinda like a closed version of the HD 650 but some details were missing. Of course, that could've been Spotify (iPhone 6S is a fine source).

My usual test is:

(Suite 1 Prelude)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBNyXpL908Y

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLQl3WQQoQ0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTasQwOHREI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpR4p41F8G4

Or if you just want 1 song to do everything
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbxgYlcNxE8

Josh Lyman fucked around with this message at 03:04 on Apr 10, 2018

plape tickler
Oct 21, 2012

by Nyc_Tattoo
I currently have these $100 headphones. If I bought the massdrop sennheiser hd6xx and the appropriate amp/dac would I notice enough of a difference to make it worthwhile? Does it sound that much better?

Don Lapre
Mar 28, 2001

If you're having problems you're either holding the phone wrong or you have tiny girl hands.
I would say so. You are also moving from a closed can to an open one so keep in mind sound will come in from outside and people will be able to hear your headphones.

NFX
Jun 2, 2008

Fun Shoe

Gunder posted:

I'd like to get some recommendations for the best sub-£400 Bluetooth headphones I can get for portable use. They'll be paired with my iPhone X for walking around a city mostly, with an occasional long train journey. I don't want in-ear headphones. I've been recommended the Bose Quiet Comfort 35 II, the Sennheiser Momentum 2.0 Wireless and the Sennheiser PXC 550, but thought I'd check here first! The headphones I use most often (and enjoy) are the Sennheiser PC 363D. I do prefer to have a slight bass emphasis, as long as it doesn't swamp the rest of the mix. I mostly listen to hip-hop and electronic music (all kinds).

Edit: I've also seen people recommend the Sennheiser HD-1, but they look identical to the Momentum. Are they the same thing?

Edit2: They also must have a microphone for answering calls.

Is the noise cancelling important to you? It’s kinda sporadic for me (WH-1000XM2), because the headphones shift a little when I walk. I don’t know if that’s just a matter of fit. Under any circumstance, walking around in/near traffic with ANC on is scary as hell, and I prefer plain old IMEs there.
The Sonys have an ambient sound mode which mostly feels like a gimmick. On paper it cuts out noise, but let’s through voices (so you can hear announcements etc). In practice I find that it tends to amplify some sounds too much. I rarely bother with it. Of course you can also use the headphones with just Bluetooth, and ANC off, which I assume goes for the Bose as well.

plape tickler
Oct 21, 2012

by Nyc_Tattoo

Don Lapre posted:

I would say so. You are also moving from a closed can to an open one so keep in mind sound will come in from outside and people will be able to hear your headphones.

What would you suggest for around $100 in dac/amp for the sennheiser hd6xx? I was considering the o2-amplifier or the Schiit Fulla 2. That name is ironic? Full of poo poo.

KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD
Jul 7, 2012

Keep in mind the Fulla 2 has an integrated DAC, while the Objective 2 does not.

5-HT
Oct 17, 2012

plape tickler posted:

What would you suggest for around $100 in dac/amp for the sennheiser hd6xx? I was considering the o2-amplifier or the Schiit Fulla 2. That name is ironic? Full of poo poo.

I'd avoid schiit, long and short of it they're known to have issues, especially with their fulla units. And the noise floor on them is terrible.

This SMSL Amp/DAC combo is cheap, has a great noise floor, and will power your HD 6XX cans very well.

Gunder
May 22, 2003

NFX posted:

Is the noise cancelling important to you? It’s kinda sporadic for me (WH-1000XM2), because the headphones shift a little when I walk. I don’t know if that’s just a matter of fit. Under any circumstance, walking around in/near traffic with ANC on is scary as hell, and I prefer plain old IMEs there.
The Sonys have an ambient sound mode which mostly feels like a gimmick. On paper it cuts out noise, but let’s through voices (so you can hear announcements etc). In practice I find that it tends to amplify some sounds too much. I rarely bother with it. Of course you can also use the headphones with just Bluetooth, and ANC off, which I assume goes for the Bose as well.

I guess the ANC is not super important to me, at least not as much as strong Bluetooth connectivity, sound quality and comfort. The other thing I’ve heard is that the Bose QC35II sounds worse with NC switched off. What would be people’s recommendations for non-ANC Bluetooth headphones under £400?

Spermanent Record
Mar 28, 2007
I interviewed a NK escapee who came to my school and made a thread. Then life got in the way and the translation had to be postponed. I did finish it in the end, but nobody is going to pay 10 bux to update my.avatar
Has anyone ever listened to the Sony N3AP in-ear headphones? Because I think people should do that more often.

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

(and can't post for 5 days!)

I keep two amps on my desk - a Schiit Jotunheim for the power thirsty headphones so I can give them balanced power and a tiny FiiO 10k for the sensitive stuff.

http://www.fiio.net/en/products/27

Yes it's Chi-fi. That little FiiO is also fantastic for the money and has a great noise floor exactly as advertised.

I like the Jotunheim a lot for different reasons (all the power!) but unless you're using the balanced output the noise floor isn't the best.

Get the cheap FiiO 10k is what I'm saying. If you need more later then get more later.

Edit - the bass boost button is pretty legit, I would recommend not using it with bass heavy songs if your headphones already do bass well. Or at all, it's overkill IMO.

DancingShade fucked around with this message at 14:09 on Apr 10, 2018

5-HT
Oct 17, 2012

Gunder posted:

I guess the ANC is not super important to me, at least not as much as strong Bluetooth connectivity, sound quality and comfort. The other thing I’ve heard is that the Bose QC35II sounds worse with NC switched off. What would be people’s recommendations for non-ANC Bluetooth headphones under £400?

problem is that most bluetooth headphones are super dependent on DSP, and most of them will have an ANC circuit that needs to be turned on to get the best audio. only thing that comes to mind immediately is the Beyerdynamic Aventho, which is going to be pushing close to that price point if you're needing something now.

eddiewalker
Apr 28, 2004

Arrrr ye landlubber
I’ve spent the last week fighting an AliExpress vendor over a Topping DX7 they never shipped, and now want to charge me $60 more for an “upgraded” DX7S (which doesn’t include a remote)

If I win this dispute and get a refund, I think I’m just going to end-game my DAC/amp setup with an RME ADI-2 DAC. I use a lot of RME MADI gear at work and it’s all baller.

I don’t know why I always fall for the siren call of Chi-Fi. I think it’s the penny pinching allure of getting something for nothing.

Ramrod Hotshot
May 30, 2003

What's the scoop on headphones/earbuds and hearing damage? Does it have anything to do with the quality/make of your equipment? What should I be looking for?

I just got a pretty boring office job where I'm going to want to be listening to music a lot, so I'd like to gently caress up my ears as little as possible.

eddiewalker
Apr 28, 2004

Arrrr ye landlubber

Ramrod Hotshot posted:

What's the scoop on headphones/earbuds and hearing damage? Does it have anything to do with the quality/make of your equipment? What should I be looking for?

I just got a pretty boring office job where I'm going to want to be listening to music a lot, so I'd like to gently caress up my ears as little as possible.

Keep volume under control. That’s all there is to it.

A couple of years ago there was a bunch of sensational reporting about earbuds being specifically bad for your ears, but the truth is that people tend to crank up the volume too far when using open phones in noisy places.

5-HT
Oct 17, 2012

Ramrod Hotshot posted:

What's the scoop on headphones/earbuds and hearing damage? Does it have anything to do with the quality/make of your equipment? What should I be looking for?

I just got a pretty boring office job where I'm going to want to be listening to music a lot, so I'd like to gently caress up my ears as little as possible.

only if you crank it up



would only use this as a generalized guide tho because human hearing is so varying when it comes to tolerances for loudness. good rule of thumb is if your ears are ringing after a listening session, it's too loud.

Ethereal
Mar 8, 2003
I'm full of analysis paralysis and can't figure out what my best combination of headphones should be. I think I pretty much have to have two pairs of headphones in my life :(

I currently own a set of AKG545 headphones, with a detachable ModMic, and some velodyne wired ear buds. I use Mac laptops, an iPhone and an Xbox

My needs!
* About 10 hours of weekly video conferencing each week in a home office. ModMic is important here, but I don't need noise canceling or anything here. The headphones should be comfortable for up to 8 hours at a time.
* 5 hours / week at the gym - Combination of biking and weight lifting. I usually watch Netflix during cardio. Wireless might be handy here because my current earbuds can get snagged on stuff.
* 60-80 hours / year on planes, with at least 4 8hr+ trips / year. Noise cancelling would really help with the annoying plane sounds for sleep purposes. I do usually use the in flight entertainment system, so having a wired option is handy. Something comfortable is the most important, followed by smaller where possible.
* Xbox use - likely need a wired adapter.

A combination of listening to music, video conferencing, and TV watching is what I'd be using my headphones for and am up for any combination of recommendations. Thanks!

Virtue
Jan 7, 2009

If you fly that much I’d narrow it down to the bose or Sony with ANC immediately. I’m going to pickup a pair soon specifically for that use case.

eddiewalker
Apr 28, 2004

Arrrr ye landlubber

Virtue posted:

If you fly that much I’d narrow it down to the bose or Sony with ANC immediately. I’m going to pickup a pair soon specifically for that use case.

Counterpoint: passive isolation on well-fitting IEMs is hard to beat. They’re way easier to pack, aren’t one more thing to keep charged and don’t hinder laying your head against the window to sleep.

Frequent flier. Tried ANC. Hated it.

trem_two
Oct 22, 2002

it is better if you keep saying I'm fat, as I will continue to score goals
Fun Shoe

eddiewalker posted:

Counterpoint: passive isolation on well-fitting IEMs is hard to beat. They’re way easier to pack, aren’t one more thing to keep charged and don’t hinder laying your head against the window to sleep.

Frequent flier. Tried ANC. Hated it.

I'm with you.

NFX
Jun 2, 2008

Fun Shoe

Ethereal posted:

I'm full of analysis paralysis and can't figure out what my best combination of headphones should be. I think I pretty much have to have two pairs of headphones in my life :(

I currently own a set of AKG545 headphones, with a detachable ModMic, and some velodyne wired ear buds. I use Mac laptops, an iPhone and an Xbox

My needs!
* About 10 hours of weekly video conferencing each week in a home office. ModMic is important here, but I don't need noise canceling or anything here. The headphones should be comfortable for up to 8 hours at a time.
* 5 hours / week at the gym - Combination of biking and weight lifting. I usually watch Netflix during cardio. Wireless might be handy here because my current earbuds can get snagged on stuff.
* 60-80 hours / year on planes, with at least 4 8hr+ trips / year. Noise cancelling would really help with the annoying plane sounds for sleep purposes. I do usually use the in flight entertainment system, so having a wired option is handy. Something comfortable is the most important, followed by smaller where possible.
* Xbox use - likely need a wired adapter.

A combination of listening to music, video conferencing, and TV watching is what I'd be using my headphones for and am up for any combination of recommendations. Thanks!

I would be hard pressed to say my sonys are more comfortable than IEMs (although this is very much down to personal preference), especially when it’s upwards of 55 hours a week weighted against 10-ish flights a year. They do offer one big advantage over (carefully inserted foam) IEMs in office work (in noisy offices), in that they are easy to take off and on again.

For your use I would honestly consider a pair of regular closed headphones, but that sounds like where you already are at. What are you looking to improve over the AKG545? My second option would probably IEMs, but that sounds tough with a ModMic.

5-HT
Oct 17, 2012

Ethereal posted:

I'm full of analysis paralysis and can't figure out what my best combination of headphones should be. I think I pretty much have to have two pairs of headphones in my life :(

I currently own a set of AKG545 headphones, with a detachable ModMic, and some velodyne wired ear buds. I use Mac laptops, an iPhone and an Xbox

My needs!
* About 10 hours of weekly video conferencing each week in a home office. ModMic is important here, but I don't need noise canceling or anything here. The headphones should be comfortable for up to 8 hours at a time.
* 5 hours / week at the gym - Combination of biking and weight lifting. I usually watch Netflix during cardio. Wireless might be handy here because my current earbuds can get snagged on stuff.
* 60-80 hours / year on planes, with at least 4 8hr+ trips / year. Noise cancelling would really help with the annoying plane sounds for sleep purposes. I do usually use the in flight entertainment system, so having a wired option is handy. Something comfortable is the most important, followed by smaller where possible.
* Xbox use - likely need a wired adapter.

A combination of listening to music, video conferencing, and TV watching is what I'd be using my headphones for and am up for any combination of recommendations. Thanks!

that's tough, especially since you want something that you can use for video conferencing. my gut says that you're probably going to want to get a Sennheiser 598 Cs and upgrade from your modmic to a v-moda boom pro to go w/ it.

e: for wireless earbuds, if you want something to try, I'd suggest the Sony WF-1000x. the refurb units go for about $80 and they have some really good anc which makes them great for short flights or gym sessions. everything else can be handled by the Sennheiser 598's.

5-HT fucked around with this message at 07:16 on Apr 11, 2018

Setset
Apr 14, 2012
Grimey Drawer

eddiewalker posted:

I’ve spent the last week fighting an AliExpress vendor over a Topping DX7 they never shipped, and now want to charge me $60 more for an “upgraded” DX7S (which doesn’t include a remote)

If I win this dispute and get a refund, I think I’m just going to end-game my DAC/amp setup with an RME ADI-2 DAC. I use a lot of RME MADI gear at work and it’s all baller.

I don’t know why I always fall for the siren call of Chi-Fi. I think it’s the penny pinching allure of getting something for nothing.

Have you looked at Audio-GD? Their purchasing process is kind of weird but I received my NFB 11.28 after only a couple weeks. Plus you can open them up and change around jumpers to get a different sound signature if you want. (and they provide instructions)

eddiewalker
Apr 28, 2004

Arrrr ye landlubber

Lube banjo posted:

Have you looked at Audio-GD? Their purchasing process is kind of weird but I received my NFB 11.28 after only a couple weeks. Plus you can open them up and change around jumpers to get a different sound signature if you want. (and they provide instructions)

I already own the very first audio-gd “hype of the month” all-in-one, a Compass from 2009. As far as the can tell, the NFB11 would be, at best, a side-grade, but also a downgrade in a few ways —no more Neutrik connectors or preamp mode, chintzy RadioShack rocker switches on the face.

If I want an audio-gd flavored upgrade, I’d be looking at the nfb27 or above, but if I’m spending that kind of cash, I want something that measures objectively well. The nfb27 got murdered in Amir’s ASR testing.

The Topping DX7 consistently measures above its price and has some flexible IO. (I have some gear that outputs AES over XLR, so that would’ve been nice. Driving balanced near fields would be cool too) As a Grado fan, I don’t love the high HP output impedance, but I figured I could loop an O2 amp out if I had to. I also just hate the way Chinese manufacturers try to use serifed fonts on displays that just screams “cheap and poorly translated.”

I was kind of on the fence, but when the DX7S came out, barely improved, $500 instead of $330 and lacking a remote, I figured I’d jump in and try to get a non-S still in stock somewhere. That didn’t work out. Took two weeks of disputes on AliExpress.

I’d already been infected by upgraditus, so I went ahead and ordered the RME ADI-2 DAC last night. It’s well-tested, universally praised, and from a company I already trust. The written manual alone gives me wet dreams. USB data integrity testing, reference leveling, tons of DSP, bs2b-based crossfeed that can also be applied to the preamp to feed other amps.

Tldr I’m hoping this is my last big dac/amp purchase.

Bolt
Dec 14, 2004
k

Gunder posted:

I guess the ANC is not super important to me, at least not as much as strong Bluetooth connectivity, sound quality and comfort. The other thing I’ve heard is that the Bose QC35II sounds worse with NC switched off. What would be people’s recommendations for non-ANC Bluetooth headphones under £400?

The best bluetooth headphones that don't use noise canceling are the Audio-Technica DSR9BTs, IMO. However, they suffer pretty heavily from outside noise so I'm not sure they are that suitable for city walking.

For city walking I think the Bowers and Wilkins PX are by far the best--they don't sound nearly as good without noise canceling, but the noise canceling is very adjustable with their app. There's office, city, and flight environment modes, and voice pass-through options. The bluetooth connectivity is very good, and sound quality is better than the Bose or Sonys. They are a little clampy though so I would recommend trying them on before purchase--the Sonys are more comfortable out of the box but the PX just sound so much better that it's worth it for me.

Gunder
May 22, 2003

Since my brother gets a pretty hefty discount on Bose products, I decided to try out the QC 35 II, and so far I like them. I have 30 days to decide if I want to keep them or not. May try the Sonys next.

Don Lapre
Mar 28, 2001

If you're having problems you're either holding the phone wrong or you have tiny girl hands.
If you need noise cancelling headphones they are great. I wouldn't buy them for any other reason or use though.

socialsecurity
Aug 30, 2003





I have an request I'm having trouble finding, I would like to get headset that has both a phone port for a desktop voip phone but also 2.5 or usb or something so it can also be switched to a computer.

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Don Lapre
Mar 28, 2001

If you're having problems you're either holding the phone wrong or you have tiny girl hands.
Just buy any headphone + a usb sound card/dacamp

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