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steinrokkan posted:That animation is lovecraftian what, racist and weird?
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Junk posted:The best laughter comes from good, clean, inoffensive fun. grandpa not in public okay?
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Apr 11, 2018 10:54
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Junk posted:The best laughter comes from good, clean, inoffensive fun. Duckman was extremely prophetic.
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Apr 11, 2018 11:17
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I always knew there was something hosed up about the Ninja Turtles cartoon, then I found out that James Avery was the voice of the Shredder. What is it with black guys voicing Japanese characters? Also does this voice actor thing extend to exported versions of the show? Like should I be mad that in the Spanish version of the Simpsons Apu is voiced by a Latino man?
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Apr 11, 2018 11:19
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Smiling Mandrill posted:I always knew there was something hosed up about the Ninja Turtles cartoon, then I found out that James Avery was the voice of the Shredder. What is it with black guys voicing Japanese characters? Would you have had it any other way?
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Apr 11, 2018 11:20
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Miss posted:what, racist and weird? think he meant the horse
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Apr 11, 2018 11:58
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schmitty9800 posted:Watched The Problem with Apu and it was interesting. If I we're in Azaria's shoes I wouldn't want to appear either. A Pict Song still holds up. quote:Rome never looks where she treads.
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Apr 11, 2018 12:34
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The stupid hot takes the show does aren’t nearly as bad as the current habit of stealing plot points and jokes from the good seasons.
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Apr 11, 2018 12:44
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Also peep Al Jean’s twitter for some epic retweets.
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Apr 11, 2018 12:49
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"Something that started decades ago and was applauded and inoffensive is now politically incorrect... What can you do?" This is possibly the stupidest loving sentence I've ever read. It's can be used to justify literally any abhorrent act, including slavery, lynching and straight-up genocide.
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Apr 11, 2018 12:55
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once AGAIN, the simpsons loving reuses a plotline, stealing the "we tried NOTHIN! and we're all out of my ideas!" plot from ned sanders parents only this time, it was lisa and marge acknowledging that things just are the way they are, forever.
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Apr 11, 2018 13:02
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Quote-Unquote posted:"Something that started decades ago and was applauded and inoffensive is now politically incorrect... What can you do?" They got a lot of poo poo early for being offensive, so the line doesn't even make sense.
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Apr 11, 2018 13:27
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NEWS ANCHOR 1: Now let's look at the Simpsons writing staff a little. NEWS ANCHOR 2: They're a colorful bunch. They've been dubbed "The Diversity Crew" *chuckles* NEWS ANCHOR 1: And we laugh legitimately. There's a white guy, a different kind of white guy, and a jewish guy.
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Apr 11, 2018 14:15
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Quote-Unquote posted:"Something that started decades ago and was applauded and inoffensive is now politically incorrect... What can you do?" Something that will be addressed at a later date, if at all trumps it though
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Apr 11, 2018 14:33
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Woden posted:They got a lot of poo poo early for being offensive, so the line doesn't even make sense. The people who whined about the simpsons being offensive back in the day were not remotely the people who did so because of Apu are you loving high.
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Apr 11, 2018 14:33
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As recently as like ten years ago "Indian" was not really thought of as a thing you could be racist about. I'm not sure why. Apu was all in good fun, fake Indian accents were a way to get an easy laugh at a party, and Drawn Together did an entire episode making fun of Indian culture and Bollywood https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Or-3CJz4pmk The entire joke was "haha, Indians don't mind being made fun of, imagine if we made an episode like this about black people or something, hooooly poo poo" I bet they feel pretty gosh-darn silly now
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Apr 11, 2018 14:35
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The thing that's always confused me about everyone saying how offensive Apu is is that he's probably one of the most well rounded characters on the entire show. I can tell you his religion, he has a college degree, the type of car he drives, he's a successful business owner who is friends with Paul and Linda McCartney. In fact the joke of the simpsons seems to be that while apu is highly educated he can't get a job other than clerk while known moron homer can get a job at a power plant with barely a high school education. I think the complaint is valid about a white guy doing the voice, but beyond that he's a character who has more depth than most of the other stereotypes on the simpsons.
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Apr 11, 2018 14:37
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Woden posted:They got a lot of poo poo early for being offensive, so the line doesn't even make sense. people who bitched about the simpsons in the early 90's were pissed off because bart said things like "don't have a cow, man"
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Apr 11, 2018 14:37
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The_Rob posted:The thing that's always confused me about everyone saying how offensive Apu is is that he's probably one of the most well rounded characters on the entire show. I can tell you his religion, he has a college degree, the type of car he drives, he's a successful business owner who is friends with Paul and Linda McCartney. In fact the joke of the simpsons seems to be that while apu is highly educated he can't get a job other than clerk while known moron homer can get a job at a power plant with barely a high school education. I think the complaint is valid about a white guy doing the voice, but beyond that he's a character who has more depth than most of the other stereotypes on the simpsons. Whenever you have a white guy doing an ethnic accent, it's necessarily an act of caricature, and so there's invariably some measure of mockery in it e: I mean yeah, there's nothing "offensive" about any of the rest of his character (at least until they start getting into the giant-family stuff), but without the comic accent his struggles as a small business owner and even the skepticism he faces as an immigrant are just good story development and not part of the clown makeup Data Graham fucked around with this message at 14:42 on Apr 11, 2018 |
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Apr 11, 2018 14:39
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Data Graham posted:Whenever you have a white guy doing an ethnic accent, it's necessarily an act of caricature, and so there's invariably some measure of mockery in it And again I said that's a valid complaint, but beyond that he is a well rounded respected character who I can tell you his life motivations, opinions, religious beliefs, and pop culture opinions. He really isn't a 1 dimensional character. Hell even the episode where he cheats on his wife is done pretty progressively as it ends with his wife being upset and not sure if she can trust him but is willing to try.
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Apr 11, 2018 14:42
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That 30 year old woman is voicing an 8 year old boy. I for one am outraged at this sexist ageist caricature
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Apr 11, 2018 14:47
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Are we sure homer is voiced by an obese person? It would be highly offensive otherwise.
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Apr 11, 2018 14:50
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dare i ask....who...voiced...carl? i'm so scared of the answer...
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Apr 11, 2018 15:00
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Never change goons
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Apr 11, 2018 15:00
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The voice of Cleveland is the whitest dude you could possibly imagine
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Apr 11, 2018 15:13
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And look where that got him!
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Apr 11, 2018 15:14
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A.I. Borgland Corp posted:The voice of Cleveland is the whitest dude you could possibly imagine Yeah and the Cleveland show was really awful.
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Apr 11, 2018 15:16
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The_Rob posted:The thing that's always confused me about everyone saying how offensive Apu is is that he's probably one of the most well rounded characters on the entire show. I can tell you his religion, he has a college degree, the type of car he drives, he's a successful business owner who is friends with Paul and Linda McCartney. In fact the joke of the simpsons seems to be that while apu is highly educated he can't get a job other than clerk while known moron homer can get a job at a power plant with barely a high school education. I think the complaint is valid about a white guy doing the voice, but beyond that he's a character who has more depth than most of the other stereotypes on the simpsons. The question is, why does he have to be Indian? He could be all those things but be white, or black, or pretty much anything other than Indian and maybe Asian or middle eastern. Like imagine if Groundskeeper Willie was Mexican? Or if Dr Hibbert were Asian? That's what Apu is like. If being Indian is an important part of his role, such as for immigration commentary or whatever, then he didn't need to be a convenience store owner, he didn't need to be in an arranged marriage, he didn't need 8 kids, etc.
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Apr 11, 2018 15:18
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CodfishCartographer posted:The question is, why does he have to be Indian? He could be all those things but be white, or black, or pretty much anything other than Indian and maybe Asian or middle eastern. You're right. All the characters should just be white.
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Apr 11, 2018 15:22
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The_Rob posted:You're right. All the characters should just be white. I mean almost any other character could have been Indian and it would have been fine. Make Skinner Indian, or Mrs Krabappel, or Smithers, or almost anyone. But you’re pretty obviously trolling because you seemingly didn’t even read my post, so whatever.
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Apr 11, 2018 15:33
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CodfishCartographer posted:I mean almost any other character could have been Indian and it would have been fine. Make Skinner Indian, or Mrs Krabappel, or Smithers, or almost anyone. Oh please try to tell me someone wouldn't be offended by the gay Indian Barbie collector.
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Apr 11, 2018 15:36
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SpazmasterX posted:Oh please try to tell me someone wouldn't be offended by the gay Indian Barbie collector. The point (that goons seem to be willfully ignoring) is that there are racist / stereotypical aspects of Apu’s character aside from just a white guy doing a voice. The convenience store owner character didn’t need to be Indian. The Indian character didn’t need to be a convenience store owner, or have an arranged marriage, or have 8 kids, or live in an apartment that looks like this: 
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Apr 11, 2018 15:46
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Racists are gonna race
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Apr 11, 2018 15:51
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LIVE AMMO ROLEPLAY posted:Yeah and the Cleveland show was really awful. It wasn't good but it was better than its contemporary family guy episodes. Once or twice an episode they'd produce an actually funny joke.
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Apr 11, 2018 16:00
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yes everyone who thinks it's stupid to care about a lovely old tv show and its crappy handling of race is a racist
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Apr 11, 2018 16:01
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The_Rob posted:he's a successful business owner a pretty valid criticism / suggestion for improvement that kondabolu made was that Apu doesn't actually own the kwik-e-mart, and that by now he probably should CodfishCartographer posted:I mean almost any other character could have been Indian and it would have been fine. Make Skinner Indian, or Mrs Krabappel, or Smithers, or almost anyone. smithers was originally black for an episode and they realized that maybe having a sycophantic black man to a rich white man wasn't a great look so they made him white. which, the fact that they were aware enough of race dynamics to rectify that but still make the kwik-e-mart guy Indian says something about their blind spots with regard to south asian representations Riptor fucked around with this message at 16:13 on Apr 11, 2018 |
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Apr 11, 2018 16:08
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Riptor posted:grandpa not in public okay? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oz6m6Aw9rfg 
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Apr 11, 2018 16:10
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ah ok i have never watched the duck show
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Apr 11, 2018 16:11
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Riptor posted:a pretty valid criticism / suggestion for improvement that kondabolu made was that Apu doesn't actually own the kwik-e-mart, and that by now he probably should YOu mean Smithers?
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Iron Crowned posted:YOu mean Smithers? oh no my brains. edited
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