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Ok that may or may not have been a gigantic red flag from Stan's girlfriend
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Apr 12, 2018 03:49
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Phillip can't pay his bills. I guess he isn't working magic at the travel agency. Why do I feel like Sofia is going to be the victim of domestic violence in the next episode? CBJSprague24 posted:Elizabeth's going to have blind loyalty toward The Cause until the bitter end. I wouldn't want it any other way  DarklyDreaming posted:Ok that may or may not have been a gigantic red flag from Stan's girlfriend It's ok, Stan told her she's too old to join the FBI 
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DarklyDreaming posted:Ok that may or may not have been a gigantic red flag from Stan's girlfriend I see it differently. A KGB operative would know the age limit and would not have asked in the first place. It would have been more suspect if she'd asked about a civilian position at the Bureau. Also, even if she were the right age, they'd never see each other and it'd cripple their relationship. Now, if he *counters* with that civilian job idea in the next episode or so, we might be able to infer she's socially engineering him, but Stan's smart enough to know that her working near/with him is a *horrible* idea. And the first chance he gets, he's going to say "you're not going to believe what Renee said the other night" to either Dennis *and/or* Phil. And, she'd never pass the clearance process even for a civilian job at the FBI if she's a first-generation illegal operative. It's the whole reason they're even bothering with Paige. This settles the "is Renee a *Russian* operative" question in my mind. It still doesn't put to rest the idea that she might be someone *else's* operative, though. BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 07:52 on Apr 12, 2018 |
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Apr 12, 2018 06:44
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It'll be amazing if she turns out to be legit, somehow worms her way into the FBI, and solves the Jennings' case instantly with all the same information Stan had.
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Oh, and even with Philip showing himself to be *extra* careful in watching for tails (since it was light when he got out of the car and dark when he got to the park), Oleg should know better about meeting with a Directorate S operative *right after* a former FBI counterintelligence agent pays him a courtesy call that lets him know he's being watched. Also, having gone through the clearance process myself, I'm trying to wrap my head around who Paige's references would be. They sure as hell can't use Claudia, and Father Tim is ~away~ somewhere. Her entire support network is comprised of iffy people with with even 'iffier' (wow, 'iffier' is actually a word) credentials. Wouldn't *that* be a loving pip - if the mighty KGB is foiled by the SF-86 questionnaire...or Paige's first polygraph. The second they tell her for the first time that "we have reason to believe you're being evasive" she'll crack like cheap china. BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 08:05 on Apr 12, 2018 |
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Apr 12, 2018 07:56
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I wonder if Elizabeth is going to have to kill someone every episode of this season. And this time there was no Paige loving up so she can redirect her feelings to blaming her.
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Apr 12, 2018 11:42
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BIG HEADLINE posted:Also, having gone through the clearance process myself, I'm trying to wrap my head around who Paige's references would be. There's always Stan, and some of the people who work at the travel agency.
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howe_sam posted:There's always Stan, and some of the people who work at the travel agency. Red flag on the latter, simply because they work for her father and might feel tempted to say glowing things, but yeah, Stan would work. Probably a handful of teachers as well.
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BIG HEADLINE posted:Well, that guy *had* to die. There was no way he wasn't going to mention the 'security audit' to his 'works in the building's security' girlfriend, even though he signed the NDA. Yeah, they've all had to die. But she should have known that guy's girlfriend worked with him, just like she should have been able to work the general to know that he wasn't going to cooperate. She's under too much pressure and she's making mistakes which mean she has to kill people. I'm enjoying it, it's a good storyline.
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DarklyDreaming posted:Yeah Paige is gonna kill somebody by the finale. Probably herself The series continues to signal that Paige isn't cut out for her parents' line of work, through her actions, the comments of their colleague and Elizabeth's own comments ("anyone else would be DONE!"); and also that Elizabeth is oblivious to this (and making her own mistakes). It would be entirely unsurprising if Paige gets killed, gets someone else killed, gets all of them arrested or some combination of the above.
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Skipping the replies until I see the full episode, but I'm catching up now and I'd watch a series about Dupont Circle Travel starring Philip Jennings.
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Watching Philip try to motivate his people like Michael Scott is a more painful watch than making that dead chick fit into the suitcase back in season whatever.
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Annual Prophet posted:It would be entirely unsurprising if Paige gets killed, gets someone else killed, gets all of them arrested or some combination of the above. more heartbreaking: ends up working with her dad against Elizabeth, after multiple seasons spent showing this special relationship they have as she's learned about Russia
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Can someone explain what that whole derail of tuition with the school official about? Is it just showing Phil's business is slowly declining?
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ekeog posted:more heartbreaking: ends up working with her dad against Elizabeth, after multiple seasons spent showing this special relationship they have as she's learned about Russia I want this
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bvlah posted:Can someone explain what that whole derail of tuition with the school official about? Is it just showing Phil's business is slowly declining? It could be that, tied in with the reference in the last episode to the agency losing a big contract. It could also be keeping Henry somewhat relevant in spite of the writers sending him to ekeog posted:more heartbreaking: ends up working with her dad against Elizabeth, after multiple seasons spent showing this special relationship they have as she's learned about Russia Elizabeth's indoctrination of Paige seems to be self-serving, though Paige does seem to be at least partially genuinely curious. It backfiring would be a fun twist.
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CBJSprague24 posted:It could be that, tied in with the reference in the last episode to the agency losing a big contract. It could also be keeping Henry somewhat relevant in spite of the writers sending him to it seems both self-serving (as shown by how Claudia has formalized it) and authentic simultaneously - plus it's reminding Elizabeth how much she hates capitalism and resents perestroika/reform while Phillip's completely opposite position has crystalized as well
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bvlah posted:Can someone explain what that whole derail of tuition with the school official about? Is it just showing Phil's business is slowly declining? I'm not sure. I wonder if we're supposed to read that as they're getting less financial support from Directorate S and they're expected to be more self reliant. We've never seen the Jennings' have any kind of financial struggle. They live in a nice neighborhood in a well furnished house, Philip bought a Camaro essentially on an impulse, and Elizabeth and Philip have closets full of nice clothes. This could be a setup for the idea that Philip is not cut out for civilian life and the 9-5 schedule. That scene with the FBI intercepting Gennadi and Sofia was great. Loved the impotent rage and protests of their Soviet handlers. ekeog posted:more heartbreaking: ends up working with her dad against Elizabeth, after multiple seasons spent showing this special relationship they have as she's learned about Russia Could be that Gennadi and Sofia's story is foreshadowing something like this. Stan dropped a truthbomb on Gennadi that there's no scenario in which he gets to see his son again because the three of them need to go into hiding and Sofia wants a divorce.
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Phil needs to layoff some people and lease out the extra space or move the office to some suburban strip mall. If he makes it past 1992 he can start quoting "ALWAYS BE CLOSING" type motiviations to his staff. He will also need to pre-emptively murder the Priceline/Hotwire/Expedia people.
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Apr 12, 2018 19:00
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I get that "diplomatic immunity" was a cause and reason for those two to get approached by the FBI in an official capacity in public, what does it really imply? Are they pretty much giving themselves to the US, and Russia can't touch them now?
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The FBI came in and claimed they were seeking political asylum. Officially that protects them from the Soviets trying to extradited home to answer to espionage charges. Unofficially, well that's what Elizabeth is for 
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Apr 12, 2018 22:10
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lol at trying to convince the Directorate S brass that you need more money for a private parochial school.
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Chef Boyardeez Nuts posted:lol at trying to convince the Directorate S brass that you need more money for a private parochial school. "Keeping up appearances." Paige is way more likely to get into the position where they want her in if she comes from a successful family.
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The bigger challenge would be explaining it to the IRS.
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Nah, a travel agency is a probably a pretty good front for laundering money if you're a state actor. Those incentive bonuses that Phillip was pushing could easily be set up by a Totally Not Soviet front group in the Bahamas or whatever. Like a $5k incentive on a $2k trip. You could sell them for $1k a piece and still pocket 2 grand per.
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BIG HEADLINE posted:I see it differently. A KGB operative would know the age limit and would not have asked in the first place. It would have been more suspect if she'd asked about a civilian position at the Bureau. Also, even if she were the right age, they'd never see each other and it'd cripple their relationship. The whole thing was a feint to push Stan to share job details out of a sense of pity. At this point Renee has to be an operative because as well as it being the subtext of her every scene, there's no way she's genuinely naive enough to throw an FBI career switch out there without having thought it implausible. There was some interesting speculation last year that her popping up right around the time Stan was trying to bail Oleg out of forcible recruitment implied that she might be CIA, but I don't really know that a years-long romantic relationship for very little return is supposed to be in their toolbox. Whereas if she is Directorate S then even the fact of them having been together all that time can be used as last-resort leverage, along with the fact that a straight majority of Stan's adult friendships and romances have been with active KGB agents. I also think Philip's financial troubles do simply stem back to him expanding the travel agency to absorb his free time and finding out there's not the extra business to match it. UNRULY_HOUSEGUEST fucked around with this message at 00:42 on Apr 13, 2018 |
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What was the Russian dish they made?
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Old James posted:What was the Russian dish they made? They were talking about making Golubtsy and Solyanka. Kvass was mentioned last season - that agricultural guy mentioned trying to make it for himself. BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 01:35 on Apr 13, 2018 |
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Chef Boyardeez Nuts posted:lol at trying to convince the Directorate S brass that you need more money for a private parochial school. BIG HEADLINE posted:"Keeping up appearances." They likely would pay for anything they needed. But Philip is obviously not asking for help from them anymore. He wants to make it on his own the American way.
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hi hello this season continues to be amazing
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BIG HEADLINE posted:Also, having gone through the clearance process myself, I'm trying to wrap my head around who Paige's references would be. They sure as hell can't use Claudia, and Father Tim is ~away~ somewhere. Her entire support network is comprised of iffy people with with even 'iffier' (wow, 'iffier' is actually a word) credentials. Wouldn't *that* be a loving pip - if the mighty KGB is foiled by the SF-86 questionnaire...or Paige's first polygraph. The second they tell her for the first time that "we have reason to believe you're being evasive" she'll crack like cheap china. It shouldn't be too hard. She's a young adult from suburban America. She's not going to have very much shady stuff in her past that investigators would pick up. The investigators talking to her references would be asking about her, not them. Pastor Tim would be the absolute worst person to pick for a reference. As soon as the investigator starts asking if he has any reason to think Paige shouldn't receive a clearance, wheels might start turning in his head and he might start talking about her spy parents. Also, a polygraph is really easy to beat. It's not that hard to get a clearance unless you have a poo poo ton of foreign contacts, you have a lot of debt, you've committed a bunch of crimes, or you're still smoking weed. You can quit smoking weed long enough to pass a drug test, say you've smoked it a million times and still get a TS/SCI as long as you make it clear you aren't doing drugs right now.
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Old James posted:What was the Russian dish they made? It's zharkoye
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Oh god how can there only be 7 more episodes
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Before this season is through, I may well have to write several paragraphs on how beautifully realized a character Elizabeth is. The writing's so drat good.
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dat leonard cohen needle drop  i love Midlife Crisis Motivational Speaker Philip and Murdercrazy Chainsmoker Liz
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BIG HEADLINE posted:Also, did anyone else wonder why the General was packing such a dinky little pistol? no ? I hope this has been both helpful and incredibly condescending.
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