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Strangler 42
Jan 8, 2007

SHAVE IT ALL OFF
ALL OF IT

I wonder how much it costs to buy 200 RTs from a Russian bot farm.

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Beet Wagon
Oct 19, 2015






For context, this man is talking about surprising two strangers with tickets to the world's (upcoming) first luxury space hotel, on the grounds that they bilked him out of all of his money.

AbstractNapper
Jun 5, 2011

I can help

We have so many new backers! We're overwhelmed by your support.
Please choose a number from 1 to 3 and one new backer will win a paraglider jpg.

Sunswipe
Feb 5, 2016

by Fluffdaddy

hot balls man no homo posted:

I wonder how much it costs to buy 200 RTs from a Russian bot farm.

About $4.

Ursine Catastrophe
Nov 9, 2009

It's a lovely morning in the void and you are a horrible lady-in-waiting.



don't ask how i know

Dinosaur Gum

Krycek posted:

Well, you had some games selling out at the brick and mortar stores in a matter of hours and digital distribution was not available. If you didn't have the time to camp outside your local gamestop for 3 days, you weren't getting the game on release day. Preordering was their solution to the problem. If the store could presell X amount of copies, they could more accurately predict demand. I remember many preorders being available for as little as $5 so you didn't even have to plunk down the full price until you actually had the game in hand. And no questions asked refunds were always available. They definitely abused it to some degree by treating presales as a way to generate revenue sooner, but the original reason for offering preoders was real at the time.

Crowdfunding though? gently caress that poo poo.

Also worth noting is the concept of a "preorder" meant someone completely different in an age when the entire game was what was on the disc/cartridge-- no last minute day one patches, the gold release was what was printed was what was delivered. If there was "DLC" it was a sequel or, if you were on PC, an expansion pack.

One in the Bum
Apr 25, 2014

Hair Elf
gently caress my parents for teaching my childhood self that hard work and treating others fairly would lead to success in life. I shoulda been selling jpegs to nerds. I'm gonna call and tell them right now.

Raskolnikov
Nov 25, 2003

VictorianQueerLit posted:

WTFOSaurus is fascinating. He has spent more than ten thousand hours obviously miserable and struggling to glitch out of a space bed accomplishing nothing. At least Sisyphus didn't volunteer.

He's depressed as poo poo and feels locked in (by contract?) to Star Citizen: the thing paying his rent. He's tried branching out and quickly lost his base viewership. I'm pretty sure he's burned a lot of bridges at this point. Might as well ride this into the ground right?

IcarusUpHigh
Dec 20, 2016


Bull-loving-poo poo!

Nobody played it!

G0RF
Mar 19, 2015

Some galactic defender you are, Space Cadet.
This is kind of an interesting discussion. (Starts dull and eventually gets interesting anyway...)

Meanwhile on Reddit it’s open season on space nerds and handcrafted Starfield leaks are starting to break out as E3 nears.

Expect dozens more YouTube videos running wild with Reddit leaks in the next month “STARFIELD E3 CONFIRMED — THE HYPE IS REAL!” and “MY REACTION TO THE STARFIELD NEWS (I’M CRYING!!!)”

Even if they announce it at E3, Todd Howard knows Chris Roberts has already defeated him. Chris Roberts IS space gaming now and nobody can catch up with him. Roberts single player game is going to make people feel emotions they’ve never experienced from a game before and his MMO is something only Rockstar could possibly catch up with.

Todd & Pete have already accepted this and probably have had many heated arguments about whether to abandon space altogether. Todd wants another at bat since he’s bailed on sci-fi twice but Pete already has a wall sized graph of Elder Scrolls VI 5 year revenue predictions and pointing at the world “Billion” over and over.

Beet Wagon
Oct 19, 2015





G0RF posted:

This is kind of an interesting discussion. (Starts dull and eventually gets interesting anyway...)

Meanwhile on Reddit it’s open season on space nerds and handcrafted Starfield leaks are starting to break out as E3 nears.

Expect dozens more YouTube videos running wild with Reddit leaks in the next month “STARFIELD E3 CONFIRMED — THE HYPE IS REAL!” and “MY REACTION TO THE STARFIELD NEWS (I’M CRYING!!!)”

Even if they announce it at E3, Todd Howard knows Chris Roberts has already defeated him. Chris Roberts IS space gaming now and nobody can catch up with him. Roberts single player game is going to make people feel emotions they’ve never experienced from a game before and his MMO is something only Rockstar could possibly catch up with.

Todd & Pete have already accepted this and probably have had many heated arguments about whether to abandon space altogether. Todd wants another at bat since he’s bailed on sci-fi twice but Pete already has a wall sized graph of Elder Scrolls VI 5 year revenue predictions and pointing at the world “Billion” over and over.

The funniest thing about all the other space games coming out now is that it doesn't actually even matter if they're good or not. If Star Citizen comes out and is the be-all-end-all of space games, the market is still going to be fatigued as gently caress by the time it launches.

MarcusSA
Sep 23, 2007


We have over 1 million accounts but we really only want 200 re tweets :allears:

Raskolnikov
Nov 25, 2003

MarcusSA posted:

We have over 1 million accounts but we really only want 200 re tweets :allears:

This makes sense! Star Citizen is good!

Hav
Dec 11, 2009

Fun Shoe

Colostomy Bag posted:

Every time I wake up I sort of rethink my life.

"Is it worth it? drat, I need to pee."
"Well, I'm up now."

- me, every day.

Krycek posted:

gently caress my parents for teaching my childhood self that hard work and treating others fairly would lead to success in life. I shoulda been selling jpegs to nerds. I'm gonna call and tell them right now.

My parents told me that computers would amount to nothing, but I haven't paid for porn since the early nineties.

There's a moral in that story somewhere.

Beet Wagon posted:

The funniest thing about all the other space games coming out now is that it doesn't actually even matter if they're good or not. If Star Citizen comes out and is the be-all-end-all of space games, the market is still going to be fatigued as gently caress by the time it launches.

Also there's a percentage are still expecting their Freelancer remake.

There's grief to be had at the end of this. Delicious grief.

edit:
I had time to do a thing.

Hav fucked around with this message at 20:58 on Apr 16, 2018

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose

his nibs posted:

Ben Lesnick, Developer

Scruffpuff
Dec 23, 2015

Fidelity. Wait, was I'm working on again?
Not sure about thread title. Commodore had 64KB of gameplay, Star Citizen does not have nearly 2/3 of that - not by a long shot. Atari had I think 128 bytes. That's bytes with a "B" - it still had infinitely more gameplay than Star Citizen (here "more gameplay" is defined as "any gameplay.")

Let's not underestimate CIG's inability.

Scruffpuff fucked around with this message at 23:20 on Apr 16, 2018

Colostomy Bag
Jan 11, 2016

:lesnick: C-Bangin' it :lesnick:

That is the curious bit. WC took up around 1MB (combined with all the extra emm386 hacks, memmaker, config.sys poo poo, etc.)

Yet when it crashed he overrode the error message.

Now we are sitting at a game that can consume 40,000 times the memory. And it still isn't a game.

CrazyLoon
Aug 10, 2015

"..."

Crobblers, if you give me VIP access to the next SC event, I will actually get myself a twitter just to retweet and increase your actual follower count by a whole 1%!

Hav
Dec 11, 2009

Fun Shoe

Colostomy Bag posted:

And it still isn't a game.

"technically" a game.

It's an _alpha_ and you can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs. Perfection isn't perfect, and Rome was not built in a day. We're just funding a new way to develop. We're just funding a more transparent way to develop. We're just gosh darn happy to be funding something this impressive. We're happy to be funding something that will be impressive when the hardware catches up.

Getting in at the ground floor of anything is valuable. Don't listen to the haters, they don't understand. They can't possibly know the truth if they don't accept this. That is not a problem, you can except that. Now that you're here, why not buy some more. There's a metaphorical hat in it. Maybe we need hats more than guns in our space game?

The Cistine chapel wasn't completed in a day. Gameplay mechnics are something that you can layer in, over the top, and slid underneath. We don't want loading screens, but we might have some jump cuts to black for more than one or two seconds. Pay no attention to the frame rates, it's not optimized.

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Lifton's seminal book Thought Reform and Psychology of Totalism explains this process in considerable detail.

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This isn't everyone, BTW. This is the 'core'. Any grouping tends towards these, as they tend to amplify control.

CrazyLoon
Aug 10, 2015

"..."

Hav posted:

*snip*

Clearly Crobblers should just file this for cult tax exemption and use that for his ongoing legal battle with Crytek to deny a look at the finances. Checkmate, goonies! :smuggo:

Mind you, it might also bring around the FBI to storm the offices, but by then I am sure he will take all his faithful into actual spaaace with his .jpegs

Hav
Dec 11, 2009

Fun Shoe

CrazyLoon posted:

Clearly Crobblers should just file this for cult tax exemption and use that for his ongoing legal battle with Crytek to deny a look at the finances. Checkmate, goonies! :smuggo:

I admit hyperbole on my part, but the cult followers are a special breed if you actually listen to some of the deprogramming stuff. if they're not joining cults, are they collecting hats and fighting online pograms against unbelievers?

Mirificus
Oct 29, 2004

Kings need not raise their voices to be heard
https://twitter.com/CliffordakaMiku/status/985896661649182721
https://twitter.com/CliffordakaMiku/status/985897933093638144
https://twitter.com/CliffordakaMiku/status/985921593984606208
https://twitter.com/CliffordakaMiku/status/985963853233180672

G0RF
Mar 19, 2015

Some galactic defender you are, Space Cadet.

MarcusSA posted:

We have over 1 million accounts but we really only want 200 re tweets :allears:

Reply on Twitter Reddit: “Kinda embarrassing asking for re-tweets then setting a low threshold like 200. Just extend it if you want.“

Beet Wagon posted:

The funniest thing about all the other space games coming out now is that it doesn't actually even matter if they're good or not. If Star Citizen comes out and is the be-all-end-all of space games, the market is still going to be fatigued as gently caress by the time it launches.

It would be classic of Roberts to miss out on the second space game renaissance that he and Braben helped kick off. At this point it’s getting more and more obvious there is a lot of Chris Roberts & Star Citizen fatigue out in the broader gamer population. Even the streamers and Redditors see it and contend with it and it can’t be attributed to a dozen goon trolls making mischief like it was in 2016.

The fact that they’re skipping Gamescom and focusing on a blowout CitizenCon says it all. It’s “goodbye” to the outward facing marketing that’s meeting with greater resistance and skepticisms and “baby don’t you know how much I LOVE YOU?” to the audience they’ve got left.

I think if Roberts took to a stage at a big general industry event like E3 he’d be facing a serious risk of some booing and sighs. “This Guy again? Shut up already with your trailers nobody cares!” I don’t think he can even do it again like he used to unless his titles are released and favorably received. And favorably received is a lot harder when your spent six, seven, eight years and had $200+ million.

Oh well, I’m sure he’ll deliver. He’s never let anybody down before and I know he won’t now, not when the stakes are higher than ever...

G0RF fucked around with this message at 22:03 on Apr 16, 2018

Bofast
Feb 21, 2011

Grimey Drawer

Scruffpuff posted:

Not sure about thread title. Commodore had 64KB of gameplay, Star Citizen does not have nearly 2/3 of that - not by a long shot. Atari had I think 128 bytes. That's bytes with a small "b" - it still had infinitely more gameplay than Star Citizen (here "more gameplay" is defined as "any gameplay.")

Let's not underestimate CIG's inability.

Bytes should never have a lower case 'b', as far as I know. That would be bits.
Also, you have to keep in mind that those 40 KB of gameplay would be coded with the usual CIG inefficiency, so they take up more memory than expected. :)

phosdex
Dec 16, 2005


jesus christ, won't somebody give this guy some attention

Foo Diddley
Oct 29, 2011

cat

phosdex posted:

jesus christ, won't somebody give this guy some attention

Maybe his waifu left him

Ramadu
Aug 25, 2004

2015 NFL MVP


https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/985968645556727809

the star citizen definition of doxxing has hit the alt right lmaoooooooo

Colostomy Bag
Jan 11, 2016

:lesnick: C-Bangin' it :lesnick:

Foo Diddley posted:

Maybe his waifu left him

Like a scene from Blade Runner 2049 when someone stomps on it.

CrazyLoon
Aug 10, 2015

"..."

Colostomy Bag posted:

Like a scene from Blade Runner 2049 when someone stomps on it.

Sadly, unlike that guy this one replaced her with big cooling fans and will go through it again when those break.

Bmac32
Nov 25, 2012

trucutru posted:

Yeah, Kazan reported all the mean people and got like 5 temp bans. No big deal, god knows he is incapable of winning an argument.

I didn't get banned but I got a warning from a Reddit bot accusing me of being an alt.

Can I get a Crobear 6er to celebrate?

Colostomy Bag
Jan 11, 2016

:lesnick: C-Bangin' it :lesnick:

CrazyLoon posted:

Sadly, unlike that guy this one replaced her with big cooling fans and will go through it again when those break.

Christ, it would require heavy machinery to destroy it.

Twyst
Mar 5, 2005
:O

Foo Diddley posted:

Maybe his waifu left him

Blue On Blue
Nov 14, 2012

CrazyLoon posted:

Sadly, unlike that guy this one replaced her with big cooling fans and will go through it again when those break.

Imagine how big of a cuck you have to be to spend every waking moment tweeting about your channel on not-twitch , or the sick new gaming rig you built, oorrr the amount of money you threw at internet game company

I just feel sad for the guy now, I imagine he has a massive hole inside that he's trying to fill with his credit card bill and a brief feeling of positivity whenever someone comments on how much money he has spent on star citizen

Even ben has other hobbies outside of star citizen, namely finding the world's biggest hoagie but hey it's a goal

Scruffpuff
Dec 23, 2015

Fidelity. Wait, was I'm working on again?

Bofast posted:

Bytes should never have a lower case 'b', as far as I know. That would be bits.
Also, you have to keep in mind that those 40 KB of gameplay would be coded with the usual CIG inefficiency, so they take up more memory than expected. :)

Yeah that was supposed to say Capital B.

ColonoscopyExp
Apr 16, 2018

by FactsAreUseless
So I tried the free fly and was blown away by the experience. Like good lord it was explosive.

Beer4TheBeerGod
Aug 23, 2004
Exciting Lemon

Beet Wagon posted:

The funniest thing about all the other space games coming out now is that it doesn't actually even matter if they're good or not. If Star Citizen comes out and is the be-all-end-all of space games, the market is still going to be fatigued as gently caress by the time it launches.

Yup. The market already had Mass Effect come and go, Elite has been polished and has maintained a solid appeal, games at various levels from FTL and Rebel Galaxy to Infinite Warfare provide a huge spectrum of experiences, and meanwhile Chris continues to gently caress around and burn money. Chris was behind the curve when Infinite Warfare blew Squadron 42 into irrelevance, and now Starfield is poised to do the same to Star Citizen.

G0RF
Mar 19, 2015

Some galactic defender you are, Space Cadet.

ColonoscopyExp posted:

So I tried the free fly and was blown away by the experience. Like good lord it was explosive.

“It’s Alpha!!!”

The Titanic
Sep 15, 2016

Unsinkable

Hahaha!

Pleas guys, can we get at least 200???

I'm sure CIG has over 200 users in just fake accounts. Sure they can make it. :3

JugbandDude
Jul 19, 2016

Remember when you were young, you shone like the sun

Shine on you crazy diamond!

Beer4TheBeerGod posted:

Yup. The market already had Mass Effect come and go, Elite has been polished and has maintained a solid appeal, games at various levels from FTL and Rebel Galaxy to Infinite Warfare provide a huge spectrum of experiences, and meanwhile Chris continues to gently caress around and burn money. Chris was behind the curve when Infinite Warfare blew Squadron 42 into irrelevance, and now Starfield is poised to do the same to Star Citizen.

I remember the huge blowback infinity ward received because of the bundle strategy for the modern warfare remake. And that was what? 40-50 dolars difference?

I don’t play any CoD game, but i thought the IW trailer was pretty cool. The reaction just showed how SC is insignificant compared to the big players.

The Titanic
Sep 15, 2016

Unsinkable
Guys I'm starting to think Star Citizen might not be The Matrix levels of immersion. :ohdear:

Of course even now it's better than like 4 Triple-A games glued end to end with each other. But the immersion might not be there.

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VictorianQueerLit
Aug 25, 2017

JugbandDude posted:

I remember the huge blowback infinity ward received because of the bundle strategy for the modern warfare remake. And that was what? 40-50 dolars difference?

I don’t play any CoD game, but i thought the IW trailer was pretty cool. The reaction just showed how SC is insignificant compared to the big players.

When you pay more than a passing attention to Star Citizen you start to lose the concept of the value of money.

It's how backers can poo poo on Elite having a $100 pricing model or bundled games costing $150 but not care about "Cheap" ships in Star Citizen being five hundred dollars. Single ships cost hundreds or thousands of dollars and people are just used to that idea.

It won't fully be realized until the game either finally releases or goes out of business and backers find out what they actually will receive for the money they spent and not what they can dream is possible.

I mean we all mock Clifford and he is a regular thread subject but it's hard to step back and think about how he has spent fifty thousand dollars on internet space ships. Fifty thousand dollars.

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