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Aesop Poprock posted:In terms of ring presence, facial expressions and psychology Dean is pretty good but he's like a Miz tier wrestler when it comes to in ring ability and easily the weakest of the three. Seth is the top and better than his Tyler Black days when it comes to throwing everything at the wall but he's still a little too extra at times I know a lot of people don't like Dean's weird flailing offense and that's fair but lmao my dude Roman Reigns still only has two to four moves and isn't even good at doing them.
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Walrus Pete posted:I know a lot of people don't like Dean's weird flailing offense and that's fair but lmao my dude Roman Reigns still only has two to four moves and isn't even good at doing them. Yet people act like he's the spawn of Angle and HBK in this thread.
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Randaconda posted:Yet people act like he's the spawn of Angle and HBK in this thread. Yeah if PSP is infamous for anything it's everyone loving Roman Reigns.
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You'll find that Dean and Roman are in the same class of "having a lot of moves" and doing them well. they both do a few things and do them fine except for one thing that looks like poo poo
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this actually is apropos of nothing; i was curious who popularized the irish whip, and if it was their finisher in some possible way, and i just read about a guy who had a disaster of a push that overshadows vince's manic roman push. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danno_O%27Mahony quote:Title reign and drop in popularity tldr; extremely green guy gets monster push, gets all the belts, gets mocked for being lovely at wrestling, gets a guy mega over just by getting his rear end kicked, and gets caught so hard in a worked shoot that worked himself into a shoot into court exposing the whole business, brother and his finishing move was the irish whip. shiksa fucked around with this message at 18:51 on Apr 15, 2018 |
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Apr 15, 2018 18:47
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His Irish Whip wasn't actually into the ropes. It was a pull back then a shoulder throw like judo. https://gfycat.com/MassiveAdoredEgret
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Aphrodite posted:His Irish Whip wasn't actually into the ropes. It was a pull back then a shoulder throw like judo. oh weird.
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So it's called the Irish Whip because he's Irish? Interesting.
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That actually makes a lot more sense as a name that way. Interesting.
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The irish whip discussion has piqued my interest in the early days of pro wrestling. Do you guys have any book recommendations?
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I read up on the Irish Whip a while ago out of curiosity of how such an obviously fake move became so prevalent. It started as that judo throw, but then people learned to counter it by running forward. After that point someone figured the counter to the counter was to push them so they'd keep running right into the corner. Its one of those things people keep doing because that's the way its been done for a while.
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shiksa posted:this actually is apropos of nothing; i was curious who popularized the irish whip, and if it was their finisher in some possible way, and i just read about a guy who had a disaster of a push that overshadows vince's manic roman push. What is great about this time period is he's probably the third unskilled green dude to be given a world title, get double crossed, shot on and embarrassed.
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Aphrodite posted:His Irish Whip wasn't actually into the ropes. It was a pull back then a shoulder throw like judo. Whoa, King can do an Irish whip in Tekken but if you continue the combo the right way, he does that move. That's interesting.
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Going back to the question about the worst (non-murderer) wrestlers, I recall reading a story about how the Nasty Boys drat near killed Ken Shamrock back before he was anybody. Are they up there? Are there any other incidents with them?
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NikkolasKing posted:Going back to the question about the worst (non-murderer) wrestlers, I recall reading a story about how the Nasty Boys drat near killed Ken Shamrock back before he was anybody. I'm not sure where you'd put them in such a ranking, but they did drug Art Barr and shave his head when he had a huge payoff coming up for losing his hair in a hair/hair vs mask/mask tag match on PPV coming up. I believe Barr got extensions or a wig or something to cover up, but it was a dick move (some would contend Barr had it coming since he'd been charged with rape not long before but who knows if the Nasties even knew about it or cared). Flair also told a story about them starting a fight with his Jewish friend at a nightclub and getting Flair thrown out but I don't remember most of it. El Gallinero Gros fucked around with this message at 04:38 on Apr 18, 2018 |
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gently caress it, we should just go ahead make the brackets for the All-Time Wrestling Pieces of poo poo Tournament already, since this keeps coming up again and again. To be fair, we could do separate categories, so that unequal crimes aren't just judged together.
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Shiki Dan posted:gently caress it, we should just go ahead make the brackets for the All-Time Wrestling Pieces of poo poo Tournament already, since this keeps coming up again and again. 
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Who is the worst wrestler or wrestling related personality who didnt do anything wrong that is public knowledge, but you wouldnt even jack their dick if they asked?
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The topic of worst WM comes up a lot but I have thought about what the worst consecutive WMs are and it is hard not to think that (outside of Shawn vs Taker) 25-29 is a really dire collection of WMs when you take everything into consideration. Nothing gets as bad as 9*, but it's the most "treading water" period I can think of for that long. 9-13 has 10 in the middle, and they at least try to create new stars in Bret and Shawn. 25-29 is the doldrums of the Cena/Orton/Still HHH era as new talent isn't allowed to grow past upper midcard at best, and it infects every part of the company. I mean that's still kinda true today but at least it's in service of trying to make a wrestling star, as flawed as the plan is *27 comes close
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26 is a drat good show, actually.
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Cavauro posted:Who is the worst wrestler or wrestling related personality who didnt do anything wrong that is public knowledge, but you wouldnt even jack their dick if they asked? Has Alex Riley gotten caught doing anything?
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Nut Bunnies posted:Nothing gets as bad as 9* I read this and thought,"Now hang on a second, I remember 27 starting strong but kind of tapering off at the end. Sure it wasn't GREAT but it was a pretty good show!" so I went and looked it up and holy fuccccccck what the gently caress was I thinking. But then I thought,"Oh wait, I really dug that HHH/Undertaker match and how conflicted Shawn was, especially when he tried to cheat for Triple H and it still wasn't enough!" but then I looked deeper and realized I was thinking of Wrestlemania 28. So uhhh, yeah, Jesus Christ what the gently caress was Wrestlemania 27 thinking? I guess my brain just formed a false memory to protect me from it.
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Mania 27 is a weirdly bizarre time capsule, in that there was talent on display, much of which is thriving today, but the product was so dire at the time that almost none of them were helped in any way. I think a lot of people forget just how bad WWE was around 2010-12. Let's just do a quick rundown of the card, in the spirit of my last Mania 30 retrospective (bold is retired/left the company, italics is still in WWE but inactive, you get the drill) Sheamus vs. Daniel Bryan Not only punted to the pre-show, but somehow got turned into a battle royale that Great Khali won. I'm not listing all the geeks here, but it's notable for having future New Japan utility men like Davey Boy Smith Jr. and Trent Baretta. Also Tyler Reks was there. Do you remember Tyler Reks if you weren't watching at the time? Edge vs. Alberto Del Rio Royal Rumble winner Del Rio lost in the opening match to a guy who immediately retired. We all hate Alberto today, but this certainly cut off his momentum at the knees. Cody Rhodes vs. Rey Mysterio If they book this match at All In, it will almost certainly draw 10,000 in 2018. In 2011, it was a throwaway cooldown affair. My, how the times have changed. Big Show, Kane, Kofi Kingston, Santino Marella vs. Ezekiel Jackson, Heath Slater, Justin Gabriel, Wade Barrett I can't decide if The Corre or League of Nations was the lamest faction Wade Barrett was ever involved with. Randy Orton vs. CM Punk The Pipebomb was still a couple months away, so of course Punk did the job to a stale old guard here. I'm sure that wasn't a factor in what's to come! Michael Cole vs. Jerry Lawler A comedy announcers match got 15 loving minutes to set up a Dusty Finish with a laptop. gently caress off. The Undertaker vs. Triple H Do people still love this match? I found it an absolute chore to sit through -- all of Hunter's bad "epic match" habits stretched out to an ungodly length. The next year's Hell in a Cell match improved upon it in every way (mostly by adding Shawn Michaels). John Morrison, Snooki, Trish Stratus vs. Dolph Ziggler, Layla, Michelle McCool Pop quiz: Name one thing you remember about this match other than Snooki's cheerleader flip into the corner. You might also remember Johnny Mundo bitching about Trish getting the spot over his girlfriend Melina, which led to him eventually leaving the company and marrying ... uh, not Melina. Good luck Taya! This was the second-to-last match on the card, which is also the closest Dolph will ever get to a Mania main event. The Miz vs. John Cena I know I have unpopular takes on Miz around these parts (he's not that good ugh I hate saying it because of the constant blowback from Miz diehards), and also the early concussion and booking the match around Cena/Rock did him no favors, but ... this is why Miz has never really reached main-event levels again. Even now that he's a fan favorite and getting pushes, it took a good half-decade to get back there after this lovely, horrible, career-derailing effort at headlining WrestleMania. Easily among the worst Mania main events of all time. So yeah, this show is really bad, most notable for the people who went on to better things afterwards. There have been bad Manias before, but even in the current 7-hour era I can't remember one this aggressively pointless in recent memory (32 comes close, but the hard reset of the women's division makes it more historically notable than 27, which didn't even have a Divas title match). Benne fucked around with this message at 10:57 on Apr 18, 2018 |
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Why did Tazz become part of the comment team? This is probably due to my faulty memory but I remember exactly one thing he did as a wrestler in WWE and that was destroy Kurt Angle. Yet their careers went in, uh, very opposite directions. Wasn't Tazz a big deal in ECW? If he could go and wrestle, it's odd he joined the comment team so quickly. Or maybe it wasn't that quickly. As I said, I just remember more commenting than wrestling from him.
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What are Tyler Breeze's best NXT matches?
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NikkolasKing posted:Why did Tazz become part of the comment team? This is probably due to my faulty memory but I remember exactly one thing he did as a wrestler in WWE and that was destroy Kurt Angle. Yet their careers went in, uh, very opposite directions. Tazz posted:I had about 11or 12 years experience in wrestling before I got to WWE, and I had injuries. I felt burnt out in a way, and my neck was also a factor. It's still not 100 percent. So when certain opportunities arose, I had to think about the future. My neck wasn't going to get any better and I had to think about my son. My son was a baby at the time, and I thought to myself, "When he's 10, will I be able to throw a baseball with him?"
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NikkolasKing posted:Why did Tazz become part of the comment team? This is probably due to my faulty memory but I remember exactly one thing he did as a wrestler in WWE and that was destroy Kurt Angle. Yet their careers went in, uh, very opposite directions. He went on to feud with Jerry Lawler, which wasn't the worst thing in the world at the time considering how memorable Lawler's Anti-ECW gimmick was. After that feud, the Invasion era started, and Tazz became effectively part-time, doing commentary and working really short matches, usually as a tag-team because of nagging injuries until he retired full time. Really, Tazz was only full-time for about 10 months of his roughly three year career, and most of his career he was only doing short matches because he was terrified of loving up his neck.
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TTBF posted:What are Tyler Breeze's best NXT matches? Breeze/Neville/Zayn/Tyson Kidd at NXT Takeover: Fatal Four Way Breeze vs Jushin Thunder Liger at NXT Takeover: Brooklyn 1 He was over but didn't have too many memorable matches, he was basically the "Debut Guy" who just wrestled people coming up or going to the main roster like Tye Dillinger was. He was also in matches at Takeover with Hideo Itami and Apollo Crews
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Tazz also had some prior commentary experience from ECW, working with Joey Styles while healing up from an injury. He did a pretty good job in the booth, and I remember Joey introducing him at one point by saying "My broadcast partner is called Peter Senerca, but you know him better as... Taz" edit: Also, speaking of Jerry Lawler's anti-ECW stuff, I really didn't like it when they brought back that shtick in 2006. Back in the 90s, Lawler was this obnoxious rear end in a top hat heel so of course he'd bury ECW and everything involving it, but by 2006 he was firmly a face announcer who would make lame jokes and talk about puppies. When he'd go on an anti-ECW tirade, it felt really weird and forced because everyone knew ECW was a WWE brand now, and when he was done ranting about Extremely Crappy Wrestling and bingo halls he'd go right back to his normal face persona. DMorbid fucked around with this message at 12:22 on Apr 18, 2018 |
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It's interesting how Tazz was an in-ring guy for such a short a time and in limited capacity, but the Tazzmission was widely known as the deadliest shoot submission move of all time in our school yard for a VERY long time. And this was in Finland where we didn't get ECW at all, so Tazz would've been known to us only for the time he was in WWF.
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extradite THIS! posted:And this was in Finland where we didn't get ECW at all, so Tazz would've been known to us only for the time he was in WWF. (talk about extremely crappy wrestling  )
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RealFoxy posted:Tazz was a huge deal in ECW, and his debut against Kurt Angle was a godly pop. McMahon, being the petty man he is, had Tazz go into a match against then-time WWE Champion Triple H while Tazz temporarily held the ECW Title (And brought it onto TV the week and a half he had it), in a five minute match with shenanigans in the last minute (Ref bump, Dreamer hitting Tazz with a chair by accident, Pedigree, win) There's nothing petty about taking advantage of an opponent's unforced error.
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MassRafTer posted:There's nothing petty about taking advantage of an opponent's unforced error.
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Benne posted:The Undertaker vs. Triple H The HHH tombstone spot was great though. Everyone thought that was it.
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HHH is very bad at selling submissions and managed to suck all remaining life out of that match in the finish
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Was the main "victory" of Triple H beating Tazz the fact that Tazz had beaten Mike Awesome for the ECW title (was it a squash, I forget?), because Awesome had just been signed by WCW as this "major acquisition" and therefore a message was being sent out to both competitors? I'm just a little bit confused otherwise, because while ECW were technically competition Vince usually seemed little more than apathetic towards them in my eyes. I don't know, I guess I'm just trying to understand the whole thing a little better. On that note, what are some things in wrestling that just continue to confuse you to this day? Mine is GLAAD's temporary involvement with (and promotion of) the Billy and Chuck angle in 2002. Like, even before the inevitably silly conclusion* where it turns neither man is actually gay after all, the two of them were built up as heels through the classic channel of effeminacy being a big heat magnet, with them inadvertently being "uppity" and rubbing people's faces in their (non-)sexuality to garner more boos. Even as a twelve year-old it struck me as unaccommodating at best and somewhat tasteless at worst. * except for "DID I JUST HEAR MYSELF SAY... THREE MINUTES?", that was great
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Max Coveri posted:The HHH tombstone spot was great though. Everyone thought that was it. Oh yeah that moment was loving great, I felt an instant, pure, unfiltered hatred like I was a kid fan again when I thought that was going to be it. It was great.
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Hedgehog Pie posted:Was the main "victory" of Triple H beating Tazz the fact that Tazz had beaten Mike Awesome for the ECW title (was it a squash, I forget?), because Awesome had just been signed by WCW as this "major acquisition" and therefore a message was being sent out to both competitors? I'm just a little bit confused otherwise, because while ECW were technically competition Vince usually seemed little more than apathetic towards them in my eyes. I don't know, I guess I'm just trying to understand the whole thing a little better. Yeah you had your champion beat the ECW champion who had just beaten WCW's big new signing. Heyman thought he'd be able to get some buzz out of having Taz show up, ended up getting nothing out of it ratings wise and then Vince took advantage of it.
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IIRC, Lawler really does loathe ECW, partly because of heat with Paul from Paul's time in Memphis. He also hates hardcore wrestling, which is a bit hypocritical, since crazy Memphis brawls were an influence on the hardcore style.
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