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Gazpacho posted:BEFORE I would add to during "don't be a dick". Even if the candidate is bombing at minute 5 in a 60 minute interview, don't mentally check out. best case, they recover and maybe you change your mind. Worst case they get rejected but feel like things went fairly and they were treated with respect. Fiedler posted:This is a half-step removed from asking "what's your greatest weakness." a weakness is a self-reflective ongoing thing, whereas technical/social conflicts and challenges are events.
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I recommend looking into behavioral interviewing, there's a bunch of lit on the subject now and it stems from a premise that previous behavior is the best predictor of future behavior. You see it in a lot of stereotypical questions these days, as they tend away from "what's your greatest weakness" to be more along the lines of "tell me about a time where X happened, how did you deal with that" where X is some no-win scenario like literally impossible deadlines or strong personalities on the team. It's telling what tools people use to deal with adversity, whether it's all nighters, or muddle with project scope, or simply watch the deadline come and go and let the PMs sort it out. Some workplaces you are more concerned about hiring people who are on their toes dealing with strong personalities than others.
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TimWinter posted:It's telling what tools people use to deal with adversity, whether it's all nighters, or muddle with project scope, or simply watch the deadline come and go and let the PMs sort it out. Are you saying that people should be pulling all nighters when the PM fucks up and throws their reports under a bus?
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Apr 19, 2018 04:12
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by pulling all nighters i hope you mean "couldn't sleep on an intercontinental flight"
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TimWinter posted:strong personalities
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Peeny Cheez posted:Is this a euphemism for "assholes"? Yes. At least, it's what I mean when I say I have a strong personality.
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FamDav posted:I would add to during "don't be a dick". Even if the candidate is bombing at minute 5 in a 60 minute interview, don't mentally check out. This is worth saying twice. Interviews are hard already, and even if someone isn't a good fit for your team, they might be a good fit for someone else's or maybe in a handful of months they'll be perfect for a new role opening up. Don't preemptively burn a bridge just because a candidate isn't doing well on a particular fizz buzz, the world is too small for that.
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Apr 19, 2018 04:44
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my strong rear end in a top hat is prob best asset in regards to making myself marketable
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TimWinter posted:This is worth saying twice. Interviews are hard already, and even if someone isn't a good fit for your team, they might be a good fit for someone else's or maybe in a handful of months they'll be perfect for a new role opening up. Don't preemptively burn a bridge just because a candidate isn't doing well on a particular fizz buzz, the world is too small for that. Your advice is highly specific to generalized programming roles where the team isn't fixed, like if you're hiring new grads. If you're hiring experienced people, what you want is extremely specific. I never hire someone experienced thinking "well they suck wrt the job description, but hey Paul's team might need him in 12 months".
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our demand is so high in so many places that i would say yes to any non-idiot i encounter, even if their expertise is underwater basketweaving
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qhat posted:Your advice is highly specific to generalized programming roles where the team isn't fixed, like if you're hiring new grads. If you're hiring experienced people, what you want is extremely specific. I never hire someone experienced thinking "well they suck wrt the job description, but hey Paul's team might need him in 12 months". you still shouldn't be a dick. even if they're not a fit for your specific position, they probably know someone who is and they're going to ask how your interviews go.
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It's official, office is closing, project cancelled. i get my yearly salary as a bonus to stay to the end of the year an then i can gently caress off
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TimWinter posted:"tell me about a time where X happened, how did you deal with that" where X is some no-win scenario like literally impossible deadlines or strong personalities on the team. "Tell me about a time when you had conflict with a team member" translates to "the team you'll be joining contains at least one, but more likely two loudmouth assholes that no one can stand." "Tell me about a time when you had an impossible deadline" translates to "this organization is in perpetual disarray and you'll be joining a team that's so far underwater your commute will involve scuba gear."
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FamDav posted:you still shouldn't be a dick. even if they're not a fit for your specific position, they probably know someone who is and they're going to ask how your interviews go. Tbh, I think I misread his post. Being a dick is obviously never a good thing, word of mouth actually happens and companies do lose candidates because of it.
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HoboMan posted:It's official, office is closing, project cancelled. i get my yearly salary as a bonus to stay to the end of the year an then i can gently caress off polish off dat resume
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never don’t C.H.O.M.E. posted:polish off dat resume
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Fiedler posted:"Tell me about a time when you had conflict with a team member" translates to "the team you'll be joining contains at least one, but more likely two loudmouth assholes that no one can stand." "Tell me about an experience you had where an interviewer was clearly being passive aggressive. Like he thought your hair looked dumb."
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ive showed up to interviews in purple or rainbow shirts and got the stink eye i think i need to go buy some white shirts since i don't have any that fit anymore
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Shaman Linavi posted:ive showed up to interviews in purple or rainbow shirts and got the stink eye ah yes, the "birthday cake"
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whats wrong with wearing purple?
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Shaman Linavi posted:ive showed up to interviews in purple or rainbow shirts and got the stink eye whats the name of that technique in fabric where its mostly one color but with little flecks of a different color like that? I've always liked the way it looks
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ADINSX posted:whats the name of that technique in fabric where its mostly one color but with little flecks of a different color like that? I've always liked the way it looks https://www.heddels.com/2013/09/knowing-your-raw-denim-slub-and-nep/ those shirts have rainbow nep, i don't know if there is an official name for it or something
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Been a week since Chipotle in person. Nothing. Think my recruiter is not telling me I got passed so I'll stick with them on other jobs? They passed, no feedback. Space Whale fucked around with this message at 21:54 on Apr 19, 2018 |
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Apr 19, 2018 21:02
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HoboMan posted:It's official, office is closing, project cancelled. i get my yearly salary as a bonus to stay to the end of the year an then i can gently caress off
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one of the interviews I was in the interviewer asked a lot of questions that seemed to relate to my social class (if I owned a house and stuff like that) not sure what to think about that
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that's not a prohibited form of discrimination in the US, at the same time you are free to interrupt a discriminatory line of questioning with "I don't think that's relevant"
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Symbolic Butt posted:one of the interviews I was in the interviewer asked a lot of questions that seemed to relate to my social class (if I owned a house and stuff like that) that’s either trying to determine how tied to the area you are or an engineering manager unable to make small talk about anything else
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Gazpacho posted:that's not a prohibited form of discrimination in the US, at the same time you are free to interrupt a discriminatory line of questioning with "I don't think that's relevant" that’s a great way to get rejected
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Fiedler posted:"Tell me about a time when you had conflict with a team member" translates to "the team you'll be joining contains at least one, but more likely two loudmouth assholes that no one can stand." tbf that is every team and every organization
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hobbesmaster posted:that’s either trying to determine how tied to the area you are or an engineering manager unable to make small talk about anything else it was an interview with an HR person, all the questions seemed prepared to judge something. like "what was the last programming book that you read". also I learned that everyone in the IT department of the company works remote even if most of them live in the same city here. so the more I think about it the weirder it gets.
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Gazpacho posted:that's not a prohibited form of discrimination in the US, at the same time you are free to interrupt a discriminatory line of questioning with "I don't think that's relevant" I'm usually prepared to avoid certain questions in a strategic way (like "tell me your last/desired salary") but these questions caught me by complete surprise, I've never seen this before. next time I won't be sincere and just lie my rear end off and mark this kind of thing as a huge red flag
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Pollyanna posted:that’s a great way to get rejected
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How do you get better at pulling object models out of your rear end, like "Sudoku! But really fast-like" without getting tripped up? Also, for in persons, sometimes they ask you to sorta "30 thousand foot whiteboard"  front end components - is this supposed to be like the syntax of vue or react pr something like Employee{ id=butt, dob = fart, name=baz,} ?I haven't gotten bad feedback from this yet but I want to get better at it, especially the online screen share interviews where they want object models out lickety split.
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The best advice on object analysis I ever saw comes from a book called doing hard time, a huge book that I remember nothing else about : Your object model should capture the entities, operations, relationships without which any possible delivered system would be incorrect wrt the requirements A soduku game without a board or starting positions is wrong. So those must be captured in your model Ref: https://www.google.com/search?q=%22key+strategies+for+object+identification%22
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:tbf that is every team and every organization Nah, just the ones that are hiring.
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Gazpacho posted:The best advice on object analysis I ever saw comes from a book called doing hard time, a huge book that I remember nothing else about : OK But how do you poo poo one out and then implement methods in it in a live interview quickly? Also an interview I thought I did poo poo on said I did good in. ARGH
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I don't know how to answer that in the abstract except: start from the general and build toward specifics. one principle that might help you avoid bad guesses: the purpose of the object model is to write code around it. so, "operations" that will not reduce to code execution should not be part of the object model. in the common example of a parking garage system, drivers will park in spaces, but they're not going to call methods to do it, which means that that operation has no place in an software object model
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Gazpacho posted:I don't know how to answer that in the abstract except: start from the general and build toward specifics. This is a whole lotta words that I didn't read any of.
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something i've never seen written down anywhere is the general idea that you should split your classes into two broad categories: classes that represent data, and classes that transfer or transform that data. and don't mix the two in one class so you'd have, say, a bunch of classes for an xml dom, and then a bunch of classes for parsing and serializing them. or you'd have a bunch of data transfer objects and a bunch of repositories that load and save them. what you shouldn't have is dom nodes that know how to serialize/deserialize themselves or database entity objects with .save() methods on them one benefit of this is that it then becomes easy to make the data model objects immutable. also you don't have weird implicit dependencies everywhere.
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