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Augus posted:the spike wall phase was weird and kinda dumb because it was basically impossible to die and this new phase is functionally the same gameplay concept just with more going on Also it reminds me of the giant Doomsday penguin thing you fight at the end of Sonic 3K if you don't have all the emeralds/are Tails, which is one of my favorite bosses
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Doctor_Fruitbat posted:Mania just had level design that outgrew what is basically a legacy mechanic, and it didn't really have a point in the older games either to be perfectly honest. I'm struggling to think of any Sonic game that actually benefits from a timeout function other than maybe Fighters. No-one has ever needed an arbitrary timer to be encouraged not to dawdle in a Sonic game. The original function of the timer in the genesis games was to kill you and allow you to start over from the last checkpoint when you encountered a glitch that made the character get stuck inside a wall (aka “Dr Robotnik’s deadly speed traps” in the manuals).
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Xad posted:Also it reminds me of the giant Doomsday penguin thing you fight at the end of Sonic 3K if you don't have all the emeralds/are Tails, which is one of my favorite bosses Wait... did you think the Eggman Robot was a penguin?
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Hitlersaurus Christ posted:Wait... did you think the Eggman Robot was a penguin? ... I can kind of see it.
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Also I thought you fought the eggman walker robot even if you didn't have all the emeralds, you just didn't go on to Doomsday zone.
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Hitlersaurus Christ posted:Wait... did you think the Eggman Robot was a penguin?  this version of it kinda has a beak, but yeah I know it isn't actually a penguin  Kurieg posted:Also I thought you fought the eggman walker robot even if you didn't have all the emeralds, you just didn't go on to Doomsday zone. You might be right, it's been a while since I played S3K normally
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When I was a kid I always tried to 100% games, so I had to deliberately try to get the "bad ending" for S3&K. If you don't get all the normal Chaos Emeralds, you skip Doomsday, Sonic loses the Master Emerald while falling from space, and he and Tails just peace out, leaving Angel Island in the ocean.  I forget what happens during the second half of the game if you fail to get all the Emeralds before Mushroom Hill. I think you continue on as normal and you can still try to get all 7 before Hidden Palace. Do you get locked out of the Super Emeralds? It's been a long time.
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DizzyBum posted:I forget what happens during the second half of the game if you fail to get all the Emeralds before Mushroom Hill. I think you continue on as normal and you can still try to get all 7 before Hidden Palace. Do you get locked out of the Super Emeralds? It's been a long time. It does make the cutscene with Knuckles in Mushroom Hill confusing. EDIT: Actually, I guess you can technically game over in S3&K. What happens when you run out of continues?
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If you don't have all the super rings when you transition tot he "&Knuckles" part of S3&K you can still go into the one default flashing super ring, and if you have any emeralds they'll get slotted into the super emerald platforms where you can make one attempt at upgrading one of them before you get kicked out. After that you'll have normal rings until you get rest of the normal emeralds, then they turn into super rings.
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Pants Donkey posted:EDIT: Actually, I guess you can technically game over in S3&K. What happens when you run out of continues? Considering there's a save system, I imagine you'd just have to start over from Act 1 of the last Zone you were on.
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Larryb posted:Considering there's a save system, I imagine you'd just have to start over from Act 1 of the last Zone you were on. I was once bad enough to get a game over in Sonic3+K this is correct
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Apparently the leaked update is officially going to be coming out alongside mania plus in the summer. Ugh, the wait is long.
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I’ve gotten a game over, but the game vomits continues and saves them. So I never saw a an actual Game Over. I also was afraid that running out of continues would erase your save file, so I never dared try it. No, getting a game over on a throwaway save file never occurred to Young Me.
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Amppelix posted:Apparently the leaked update is officially going to be coming out alongside mania plus in the summer. Ugh, the wait is long. It's entirely possible that there's going to be a fair bit more, then. Might be other bosses tweaked that didn't make it in. Reverie?
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I game overed a ton of times on the Oil Ocean 2 boss and by the end of it I was really starting to hate that entire zone. This is probably considered an undesirable impression to leave in a player.
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Well on the upside they've apparently tweaked that one a little.
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I lost a few lives on the Oil Ocean boss, but not that many. Never went past 7 minutes in Titanic Monarch Act 2 either. I have no idea what you goons are doing. Reverie gave me some issues until I started using the ground, that alone lets you deal with the robot's phase a lot more easily.
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I think I lost more lives on FBZ2 than OOZ2, personally, but I am bad a the video games.
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I only game overed on OOZ boss as knuckles, because he can't jump out of the oil into an already extended platform. And I lost several lives to MSZ's boss trying to figure out when, precisely, it's safe to hit Bark.
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OOZ boss was just plain obnoxious as Knuckles, garbage fight.
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Oil ocean zone in general is kinda lame, both in mania and sonic 2. I've never cared for the music or the visuals or the design
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There was really no reason to have the platforms that high. The absolute least they could've done would've been lowering the platforms just for Knuckles. e: Also what the heck, aside from that boss fight Oil Ocean has always been cool and good and that goes double for the music. 
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Always liked Oil Ocean's music
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I feel like I'm the only person who didn't really have any trouble with Oil Ocean's boss. I don't even know if it gave me much trouble on Knuckles either.
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Oxyclean posted:I feel like I'm the only person who didn't really have any trouble with Oil Ocean's boss. I don't even know if it gave me much trouble on Knuckles either. me too. guess we're just incredibly good at video games, heh
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I game over'd on OOZ's boss release night and decided that it was a good time to go to bed
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OOZ is fine, but absolutely no-one wanted S3&K's most hated mechanic to make a comeback. The subs were cool, though.
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Doctor_Fruitbat posted:OOZ is fine, but absolutely no-one wanted S3&K's most hated mechanic to make a comeback. The subs were cool, though. I don't remember the barrel being anywhere in Mania.
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Doctor_Fruitbat posted:OOZ is fine, but absolutely no-one wanted S3&K's most hated mechanic to make a comeback. The subs were cool, though. I don't think the flying tops were in Mania?
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how can people hate oil ocean's music when hill top zone is in the same game and sets the standard for garbage
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Takoluka posted:how can people hate oil ocean's music when hill top zone is in the same game and sets the standard for garbage How can you hate high-pitched, off-key fart noises? Although I guess "high-pitched, off-key fart noises" could literally apply to at least one song from any given Genesis game.
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Takoluka posted:how can people hate oil ocean's music when hill top zone is in the same game and sets the standard for garbage How can you have such bad opinions? King Vidiot posted:Although I guess "high-pitched, off-key fart noises" could literally apply to at least one song from any given Genesis game. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxP0n7h_914
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Kurieg posted:How can you have such bad opinions? turn on your monitor
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Sudden Javelin posted:Always liked Oil Ocean's music boy do i have the sound test number sequence for you
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UGH, I can feel that in my taint. It sounds like a loving belt sander.
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ArfJason posted:i remember this being an important plot thing in a lovely sonic fangame from the sfghq days which is why i still remember that it also was a brief goof in the ova
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King Vidiot posted:UGH, I can feel that in my taint. It sounds like a loving belt sander.
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Hilltop always had good music, and decades later Tee Lopes confirms it with the killer HD remix https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRjHM8wiTbg
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King Vidiot posted:How can you hate high-pitched, off-key fart noises? I actually really like the Genesis sound chip, even on its shittier uses, buuuut yeah
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