trucutru posted:

Yeah, but Lucas a) made the movies, b) on time, c) without asking for backers money, So your comparison is kinda, as we highly educated people say, mootastic and dumbtacular.

Also: Lol at the "secret build". If they have one then it's the one that adds properly rendered profiteroles to the mess hall tech.

ManofManyAliases posted:

I originally spent 8k, but not all for me: I have an organization and there was an agreement on the onset that given the amount of gameplay we share together over the years, we would partake in the upfront cost of acquiring what we would eventually want to get in-game instead of dealing with monthly contributions over X period of time (also, we wanted it all on one-two accounts so that we'd get perks like concierge, etc). My personal stake in this all is less than 3k, which still is absurd - I know - but over the course of say 60 months, is around $50 a month. I've spent that on CS:Go alone in one month no prob. And I have plans to sell off some of what I acquired either before launch or right after.

EightAce posted:

They are not complicit in a scam they are doing What their paid to do . Lots of these guys could end up unemployed because of the actions of the bad news bears.

ManofManyAliases posted:

I know I've been silent on this for a while now and that I'm not the MoMA of old, but here is where I have to comment:

Chris is not actively defrauding backers or enticing others to be complicit in a scam for purposes of padding one's pocket. You are all (mostly) intelligent folk and to think that a game dev from days-past has come to the light once again in final attempt to create the game he has envisioned would so publicly try to pull a 'fast-one' in front of 2 million+ individuals would not only be brazen, but downright idiotic in today's political and legal climate. Government agencies are out for blood, especially in this hosed-up administration because missteps can so easily lead to lack of funding. The judiciary face the same scrutiny and I would imagine that many would err on the side of caution and conservation instead of being so fast-and-loose with decisions.

OK - all of that said (and why I still need to make this disclaimer after all this time is beyond me, but I'm not affiliated with CIG in any other way than an overzealous backer): I see Chris and team in a similar light to Lucas and the production of SW Episodes 1 - 3. Lucas came back to "finish" his masterpiece because he said the technology final caught up to his vision, and I compare that to Roberts thinking that he can finally substantiate his vision into something tangible. There's no other explanation for his attitude, passion and antics except that he must really believe that his vision can be accomplished with current tech and resources, so much so that he turned the dial to 11 with over 400+ employees under his employ.

No disrespect Don, but you're no one to think you can hold his neck under your boot. I don't know if you're a backer or not, but whether you have skin-in-the-game is moot: Chris and team will continue to chug forward collectively. 60+ Open positions, half of which are art or back-office related, are not a good indicator of collective business success. And to over a counterpoint: neither is the current state of the game. No - my personal feeling is that the current code base, current iteration that is backer-facing and current attitude is one that is 2 steps behind what CIG is privately working. They have contracted resources assisting with the netcode and are likely working on a scalability model for AWS, none of which fall under the umbrella of "open development" because it could be proprietary and simply not ready for public consumption. Not everything CIG does needs to be broadcast, especially if it's not ready (which I know is par for the course in some aspects).

In any event, the "fleecing of backers" so claimed by many of you is not on CIG. There's not force - there's no gun-to-the-head - for someone to back the game. Anyone could just as easily sit-out and watch, but if someone wanted to partake in play it's been well established since the kickstarter that money spent is on development. Promises made at this time to deliver a certain type of gameplay that got enveloped in scope-creep probably should have been re-evaluated and/or conceded. But after the first moves into the direction of an expansion of scope, I think it became clear to many (certainly not all) where the vision was heading.

Hav posted:

Wait, profiterole tech is IN?

Mirificus posted:

ColonoscopyExp posted:

Good. They aren't actually gainfully employed at the moment whether they know it or not.

ManBearCat posted:

so the idea that this whole mess is not one because the "govt. agencies" are out for blood is laughable.

trucutru posted:

ManofManyAliases posted:

You are all (mostly) intelligent folk

G0RF posted:

VG247: Everspace dev paid thousands to influencers who were “poo poo at playing the game”

Wait... This actually happens? But I thought they all just played for the sheer love of it?

Today is the day my innocence was lost... At least I have the comfort of knowing nothing that is not 100% above board takes place in the realm of Star Citizen streaming.

(But seriously this is a pretty interesting article.)


The entire article is a good look at the paid streamer sausage being made, which never looks good. And there are some funny and interesting comments, including the appearance of space game enthusiast, Goon and Star Citizen Snarker (i.e. terrible person) Brian Rubin over at SpaceGameJunkie.

(Brian can’t be trusted of course because he’s an obvious Hater with malevolent intent. He couldn’t even finish his most recent playthrough of Wing Commander, so annoyed was he by the gameplay...)

Article has a brief Star Citizen mention too, and improbably, of the parties featured in the whole thing, CIG ends up coming off better than the others highlighted simply because they plugged the game as part of the “a rising tide lifts all space games” spirit and that lead to a lot of new converts without (presumably) any kickbacks or paid streams or truthbending requires. So that was a nice gracenote on a rather wince inducing article.

EDIT: Scooped by Hav now, too... .

Renegret posted:

lol

I wonder who the streamer was. I'd be pretty pissed if I paid 5 grand to someone to advertise for me and all they did was bitch that I was forcing them do something.

gamers are the worst

Renegret posted:

lol

I wonder who the streamer was. I'd be pretty pissed if I paid 5 grand to someone to advertise for me and all they did was bitch that I was forcing them do something.

gamers are the worst

trucutru posted:

Instead of being pissed you should have known that bitching about the sponsored games is pretty common among high/mid-tier streamers. Viewers are extremely hostile and vocal about paid streams so most streamers, in order to avoid being called a sell-out, will remind them a billion times that they are being paid for it. (yeah, that sounds kind of counter-intuitive but what can you do?)

And god have mercy on the soul of the streamers that put lovely sponsored content on youtube. A minor reason they ask for so much money for playing the sponsored games (besides companies being willing to pay, of course) is that they are going to lose some subscribers over it.

So, indeed, gamers are the worst.

Renegret posted:

lol

I wonder who the streamer was. I'd be pretty pissed if I paid 5 grand to someone to advertise for me and all they did was bitch that I was forcing them do something.

gamers are the worst

Mirificus posted:

https://twitter.com/TheRealGremlich/status/985574730983002118

The Rabbi T. White posted:

I can only read this to the tune of "How deep is your love"

Renegret posted:

Ballparking here, but let's say the referral company takes half that 5 grand payment.

I'll say anything you want about your lovely rear end game for $2,500 for two hours

Even star citizen, because I am a whore.

Jobbo_Fett posted:

I believe some streamers/youtube channels have to state if they were paid to "review" or play a game/use a product. Contracts and legalese stuff.

Agony Aunt posted:

'Cause we're living in a world of fools
Breaking us down when they all should let us be

peter gabriel posted:

We belong to CIG

Mirificus posted:

Mirificus posted:

https://twitter.com/TheRealGremlich/status/985132740092809216

Mirificus posted:

https://twitter.com/TheRealGremlich/status/985541759798308864

Renegret posted:

They totally do

What I mean is that there's a difference between saying "Hey I'm getting paid to play Everspace for a few hours" vs. bitching a moaning for two hours about how your Destiny 2 got interrupted for some dumb space game that you haven't even tried yet.

peter gabriel posted:

Yes your quote by that science guy is good but check this one out from a sci fi program

Agony Aunt posted:

What is RAUS anyway? Rodents Are Unusually Sized?

Mirificus posted:

https://twitter.com/TheRealGremlich/status/985541759798308864

peter gabriel posted:

We belong to CIG

Agony Aunt posted:

What is RAUS anyway? Rodents Are Unusually Sized?