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it's like i'm in the backwards dimension in here, ellis's videos are actually interesting and well thought-out whereas rlm is just two cranky middle-aged white dudes complaining, that is, when they aren't making rape jokes
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AriadneThread posted:it's like i'm in the backwards dimension in here, ellis's videos are actually interesting and well thought-out whereas rlm is just two cranky middle-aged white dudes complaining, that is, when they aren't making rape jokes I don’t think you watch the videos. Either set really.
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Apr 21, 2018 03:34
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Yaws posted:There's a level of smugness and elitism in Ellis' reviews that I find rather off-putting. Could you elaborate on why you get that impression from her videos?
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Apr 21, 2018 03:35
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CharlestheHammer posted:I don’t think you watch the videos. you're half right, i stopped watching rlm because it's terrible
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Apr 21, 2018 03:36
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AriadneThread posted:you're half right, i stopped watching rlm because it's terrible Yet you still watch Lindsay? Seems hypocritical.
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Apr 21, 2018 03:37
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Purely personal opinion but I've been watching Lindsay's stuff for a little while now and really enjoy it but every time somebody links me to an RLM video I usually get a few minutes in before getting bored and doing something else.  I mean, I've never specifically searched out their stuff so it's possible I haven't given them a fair shake but that's just my experience.
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Apr 21, 2018 03:38
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CharlestheHammer posted:Yet you still watch Lindsay? Seems hypocritical. i'm glad we saved time with this discussion by skipping straight to the 'no u' phase
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Apr 21, 2018 03:40
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AriadneThread posted:i'm glad we saved time with this discussion by skipping straight to the 'no u' phase It’s were we started. A brisk pace it’s good, it’s how you know Lindsay had nothing to do with it.
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Apr 21, 2018 03:43
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Conal Cochran posted:Could you elaborate on why you get that impression from her videos? Wasn't it Ellis that portrayed people who watched Transformer movies as these white trash dullards? If not, I apologize in advance. I THINK it's her but I may be wrong.
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Apr 21, 2018 03:46
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Yaws posted:Wasn't it Ellis that portrayed people who watched Transformer movies as these white trash dullards? Even if it was, what would that have to do with your impression of her Hobbit reviews compared to the RLM Plinkett stuff?
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Apr 21, 2018 03:49
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Yaws posted:There's a level of smugness and elitism in Ellis' reviews that I find rather off-putting. The Plinkett reviews are occasionally funny and don't take themselves that seriously. Do you know what "smug" means?
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Apr 21, 2018 03:50
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Yaws posted:Wasn't it Ellis that portrayed people who watched Transformer movies as these white trash dullards? That doesn't sound right considering her whole series about the Bayformer movies is inspired by both the massive popularity of the films and her own fascination with the series.
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Apr 21, 2018 03:50
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TheMaestroso posted:Do you know what "smug" means? After reading you post I looked it up on dictionary.com and I think I have a handle on it.
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Apr 21, 2018 03:51
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Yaws posted:After reading you post I looked it up on dictionary.com and I think I have a handle on it. So you would know that what she does is basically the opposite of that. If you actually watched her videos.
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Apr 21, 2018 03:53
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business hammocks posted:This is great in its efficiency and the deliberateness with which it unveils the inevitable mechanisms of capitalism through a really nice case study. And I had no loving idea Warner Bros did a United Fruit to a sovereign nation for some loving mediocre turds of movies that nobody will even remember in five years. Not that I’m surprised, but I guess I have this lingering belief that the crimes of capitalists at least accomplish something notable for the capitalists rather than just being part of how they inexorably, mercilessly grind nature and man down to nothing as a part of day-to-day business. And even then, the bullshit that Warner Bros. and Peter Jackson did was somewhat downplayed, IMO. That interview footage of Peter Jackson and Philippa Boyens having a whinge about unions and the protests were from after Equity and the Council of Trade Unions (a lobby group for various unions around the nation, like a union of unions) had agreed to lift any boycott or industrial actions planned against The Hobbit so that they could enter negotiations in good faith. https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/129382/emails-reveal-how-studio-controlled-announcement http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL1104/S00081/helen-kelly-the-hobbit-dispute.htm And currently, the Hobbit Law, as it's called, is being amended to benefit those affected, with the plan being to ultimately repeal it. In all likelihood, it will be gone, or changed in a way that it n longer resembles what the National Party passed in 2010, because the current government simply has the seat numbers to pass it.
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Apr 21, 2018 03:53
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wtf are you morons arguing about, both lindsay and rlm make very good videos deconstructing films. y'all are wack.
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Apr 21, 2018 03:55
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TheMaestroso posted:So you would know that what she does is basically the opposite of that. Explain to me what the opposite of smug is? What is the antonym of smug? And how does this apply to the videos of one Lindsey Ellis?
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Apr 21, 2018 03:55
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Yaws posted:Wasn't it Ellis that portrayed people who watched Transformer movies as these white trash dullards? RLM thinks this too btw
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Apr 21, 2018 03:56
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Vagabundo posted:And even then, the bullshit that Warner Bros. and Peter Jackson did was somewhat downplayed, IMO. That interview footage of Peter Jackson and Philippa Boyens having a whinge about unions and the protests were from after Equity and the Council of Trade Unions (a lobby group for various unions around the nation, like a union of unions) had agreed to lift any boycott or industrial actions planned against The Hobbit so that they could enter negotiations in good faith. if it actually gets repealed, that's great. the 'no collective bargaining' thing is crazy
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Apr 21, 2018 03:57
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Conal Cochran posted:Could you elaborate on why you get that impression from her videos? I'm more curious why they don't think RLM is smug in the prequel videos. Like, I like them and all but they're incredibly smug considering how much is rooted in 'actually George Lucas is poo poo and extended CGI grousing'
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Apr 21, 2018 03:57
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sexpig by night posted:I'm more curious why they don't think RLM is smug in the prequel videos. Like, I like them and all but they're incredibly smug considering how much is rooted in 'actually George Lucas is poo poo and extended CGI grousing' i don't think saying 'george lucas is poo poo' is an indicator of smugness, considering george lucas is, in fact, poo poo.
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Apr 21, 2018 04:00
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Yaws posted:Explain to me what the opposite of smug is? What is the antonym of smug? And how does this apply to the videos of one Lindsey Ellis? Humility. Also levity can work. CelticPredator posted:RLM thinks this too btw Yeah, if anything RLM has the far harsher and more vitriolic attitude to that film franchise and the people who see it. IIRC it was a big start to their carping about how they want cinemas to die out.
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Apr 21, 2018 04:00
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RLM is bad because I can't take anyone who invest so much into star wars seriously.
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Apr 21, 2018 04:00
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sexpig by night posted:I'm more curious why they don't think RLM is smug in the prequel videos. Like, I like them and all but they're incredibly smug considering how much is rooted in 'actually George Lucas is poo poo and extended CGI grousing' There is a level of self-awareness about how dorky shredding prequels is. Hence the Plinektt character. Ain't no one care about the Hobbit movies. They came, went and have been promptly forgotten.
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Apr 21, 2018 04:02
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Tired Moritz posted:RLM is bad because I can't take anyone who invest so much into star wars seriously. i agree, it's really weird and unusual and off-putting that anyone is invested in the biggest franchise of all-time. a real head-scratcher, that.
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Apr 21, 2018 04:03
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Plinket reviews the joke is that the reviewer is lovely and terrible. The editing of the videos themselves are terrible on purpose. Smug is not self mockery. You don't seem to actually know what criticism they brought up, but whatever. It's getting to be ten years since they made them and maybe like five years since I watched one. But if they were basically repeats of what people said at the time (too much cgi and Lucas bad) instead of actually making points, it would never have caught on.
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Apr 21, 2018 04:04
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Yaws posted:There is a level of self-awareness about how dorky shredding prequels is. Hence the Plinektt character. so what you're saying is, nobody should ever analyze any films ever except those belong to the biggest, most popular movie franchises of all time. guess that's a good argument as to why lindsay's videos are 'smug'(?) since nobody cares about lord of the rings at all.
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Apr 21, 2018 04:06
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Hemingway To Go! posted:Plinket reviews the joke is that the reviewer is lovely and terrible. The editing of the videos themselves are terrible on purpose. Smug is not self mockery. again I said I liked the loving videos but 'no it's supposed to be poo poo' is like the 'it's my art style actually' of comedy videos
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DEEP STATE PLOT posted:i agree, it's really weird and unusual and off-putting that anyone is invested in the biggest franchise of all-time. a real head-scratcher, that. yes
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DEEP STATE PLOT posted:so what you're saying is, nobody should ever analyze any films ever except those belong to the biggest, most popular movie franchises of all time. No, quite the opposite.
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RLM has frequent jokes about the dumb masses going to see whatever crap is on at the time, so I don't know how it could bother you more in Lindsay's videos which I don't even remember ever being a thing.
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okay lets be honest the reason people think lindsay sounds "smug" is because she's a woman
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also while we're dropping hot takes on the countryside like it's Vietnam I'm just gonna say I think the reason RLM's star wars stuff is so sacred to so many nerds is it was the first time many of us saw criticism of the films from within the community rather than from outsiders who's main criticism boiled down to 'yea but space stuff is lame' so it was assigned a lot more depth than's actually there.
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Also, this poo poo's dumb, here's a new Defunctland video on Superstar Limo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2L-bZiqckM
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DEEP STATE PLOT posted:i don't think saying 'george lucas is poo poo' is an indicator of smugness, considering george lucas is, in fact, poo poo. I don't even remember them fixating on CGI except when it clearly limited what they could do with the movies in terms of cinematography or the actors ability to immerse themselves in the role.
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DEEP STATE PLOT posted:i agree, it's really weird and unusual and off-putting that anyone is invested in the biggest franchise of all-time. a real head-scratcher, that. They aren’t even that invested in Star Wars really. They like the original trilogy and don’t care for the prequels but they generally shrug when talking about the new movies. If any of them are invested in anything it’s Star Trek.
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this thread fuckin sucksRoth posted:Also, this poo poo's dumb, here's a new Defunctland video on Superstar Limo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2L-bZiqckM this however, fuckin rules
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Yaws posted:No, quite the opposite. then what the gently caress kind of idiot argument are you even trying to make everyone on this page is a loving dumbass, including me, for engaging in this completely loving idiotic discussion that is going nowhere at all
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Apr 21, 2018 04:11
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If anything this topic shows me is that the most virelant RLM haters don’t actually watch their videos.
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sexpig by night posted:also while we're dropping hot takes on the countryside like it's Vietnam I'm just gonna say I think the reason RLM's star wars stuff is so sacred to so many nerds is it was the first time many of us saw criticism of the films from within the community rather than from outsiders who's main criticism boiled down to 'yea but space stuff is lame' so it was assigned a lot more depth than's actually there. this sounds right to me i didn't end up watching those videos till years after they came out and i wasn't exactly blown away by the film-crit side. though to be fair, i don't know if i paid that close attention since the 'terrible (rapist?) reviewer' b-plot was kind of attention grabbing
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