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If next episode Avasarala tosses Holden out of an airlock and takes over the Roci I would be more than ok with it.
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Grognan posted:Chrisjen is a loving beast She sure is. Best character and best actress too But I do like most of the cast, they are mostly great. And that's why Holden stands out so much
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Apr 21, 2018 14:27
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bloom posted:If next episode Avasarala tosses Holden out of an airlock and takes over the Roci I would be more than ok with it. She’ll also stare Amos straight in the eyes and go, “I loving double-dog dare you”. And Amos backs down.
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Apr 21, 2018 14:29
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Proteus Jones posted:Wasn’t it Chrisjen that froze all the assets last season? Errinwright is just an opportunist using it as leverage now. Chrisjen is his deputy.
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Apr 21, 2018 15:01
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I honestly don't get the sheer murder-fantasy hated some people have for Holden. Yes, he's annoying, but that's his character, and I think his actor is doing a really good job portraying someone whose parents might as well have named him after the Catcher in the Rye character, for all his irritating ideological and behavioral tendencies. I mean, we pretty much wouldn't have the series without his character doing what he did, it'd just be following a crooked cop traveling to a dead end asteroid, where he died, then said asteroid flew into Earth, killing everyone on the planet, and Mars throws a party while the Belters realize they can't even play Mars off of Earth anymore, so they're just straight up slaves to the rusters now. I guess Bobby could look sad because she's never going to get her war, but at least she didn't get betrayed and lose her friends, so she'll get over it while brutalizing Belters?
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Apr 21, 2018 16:17
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I appreciate that this thread seems to have overwhelming negative opinions of every character and performance except Drummer, I guess?
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ZorajitZorajit posted:I appreciate that this thread seems to have overwhelming negative opinions of every character and performance except Drummer, I guess? I dunno, I just said that I think Christjen is fantastic and most of the cast is good and Holden stands out because he is so bad Also I don't think I ever got why everyone here think Drummer is so great, to me she was just a minor character I barely noticed
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Apr 21, 2018 19:31
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My exposure to Elizabeth Mitchell isn't the best, but IMO it's the first time I see her in a role where she feels natural. Everything before, there was always some weird vibe to her act. Also, the gratuitous cussing generally helps the natural feel. I loved the bit with Mao. "...motherfucker!"
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Weren't seasons 3 & 4 filmed concurrently? So even if there is a soft cancellation we still have more episodes? I have no idea if this was a fever dream of mine.
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Combat Pretzel posted:My exposure to Elizabeth Mitchell isn't the best, but IMO it's the first time I see her in a role where she feels natural. Everything before, there was always some weird vibe to her act. God drat now that I think about it... It’s like her default is “I know something really cool, that you would find cool too”, and then she smugly won’t tell you because you just aren’t cool enough.
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ZorajitZorajit posted:I appreciate that this thread seems to have overwhelming negative opinions of every character and performance except Drummer, I guess? As far as I can tell the only character to get any real hate is Holden. Who sucks and is terrible, making said hate entirely justified.
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Combat Pretzel posted:My exposure to Elizabeth Mitchell isn't the best, but IMO it's the first time I see her in a role where she feels natural. Everything before, there was always some weird vibe to her act. She was ok in LOST
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Apr 21, 2018 21:03
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Proteus Jones posted:Wasn’t it Chrisjen that froze all the assets last season? Errinwright is just an opportunist using it as leverage now. Is it kinda funny that in that contest I'm actually rooting for Mao? He's a total shithead but Errinwright is such a smug weasel that I can't help but root for anyone against him.
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Milo and POTUS posted:Is it kinda funny that in that contest I'm actually rooting for Mao? He's a total shithead but Errinwright is such a smug weasel that I can't help but root for anyone against him. Errinwright destroyed space murals
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Apr 21, 2018 21:18
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Mao is more openly a bad guy. Most times we see Errinwright he's playing politics so of course he comes across as a two-faced son of a bitch. Easier to respect someone who's at least honest about being a terrible person.
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etalian posted:Errinwright destroyed space murals lol Which episode was this? I definitely must have missed.
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Milo and POTUS posted:lol Which episode was this? I definitely must have missed. Mao's ship had pretty paintins on it.
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Apr 21, 2018 21:52
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 I thought there might have been a point where he was effacing public art and I was wondering if he was referencing something from the book.
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Apr 21, 2018 21:57
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etalian posted:Errinwright destroyed space murals So did Holden. https://giant.gfycat.com/PiercingFearlessAnteater.mp4
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Proteus Jones posted:Mao is his partner in crime, not a political rival. whynotboth.gif
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Aw sheeit, it just hit me. Christjen just went through the same sort of torture, unto the point of death, that she inflicted on that Belter in the first episode. She got to experience almost exactly what he did when he sabotaged his G-juice feed to commit suicide, too.
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EimiYoshikawa posted:I honestly don't get the sheer murder-fantasy hated some people have for Holden. Yes, he's annoying, but that's his character, and I think his actor is doing a really good job portraying someone whose parents might as well have named him after the Catcher in the Rye character, for all his irritating ideological and behavioral tendencies. I think the show just hasn't progressed far enough for all fans to realize that every person in power thinks Holden is at best a naive do-gooder idiot, but the good news is that Chrisjen has just come aboard the ship.
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ekeog posted:I think the show just hasn't progressed far enough for all fans to realize that every person in power thinks Holden is at best a naive do-gooder idiot, but the good news is that Chrisjen has just come aboard the ship. It was great when he got dunked on at Tycho station.
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EimiYoshikawa posted:Aw sheeit, it just hit me. 
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Apr 22, 2018 17:44
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holden does his job of forcibly moving the crew of the
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etalian posted:It was great when he got dunked on at Tycho station. I liked when they got there and just assumed they'd get to keep their ship as if they were some A-Team special forces whatever out to save the solar system. Not enough people say "You're just a bunch of lovely rock hoppers who lucked into a fancy ship." I feel like that's going to come up now that they don't have much in the way of weapons left anymore. They stole a cop car and now it's out of gas and they don't want to go back to normal.
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it's a shame cgi modeling is expensive because I'd dig a show where the crew have to buy/steal a new ship each season because of increasingly violent finales.
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I imagine building sets for a whole new hero ship every season would be the expensive part
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They could probably just reconfigure the current one.
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Cojawfee posted:I liked when they got there and just assumed they'd get to keep their ship as if they were some A-Team special forces whatever out to save the solar system. Not enough people say "You're just a bunch of lovely rock hoppers who lucked into a fancy ship." I feel like that's going to come up now that they don't have much in the way of weapons left anymore. They stole a cop car and now it's out of gas and they don't want to go back to normal. At the same time, if they could actually prove that they've done a ton to expose the protomolecule shenanigans, that they were instrumental to Eros not straight up killing Earth, etc., then they'd justifiably deserve to be paid all the money and get an even fancier ship if they wanted it. Maybe they'll take a step closer to that if they compare notes with Chrisjen, though based on the preview we won't see an immediate teamup, but I don't think it'll take long for everyone to be completely whipped and doing Chrisjen's bidding once she wakes up.
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NowonSA posted:At the same time, if they could actually prove that they've done a ton to expose the protomolecule shenanigans, that they were instrumental to Eros not straight up killing Earth, etc., then they'd justifiably deserve to be paid all the money and get an even fancier ship if they wanted it. Like they basically have more firepower by themselves than the rest of the OPA at this point. On just a conceptual level, I don't know what the appeal is in getting a new ship. It's way more fun to get comfy and familiar with one ship. Break it in over the years, make it feel like home. That's more compelling to me than fancy new ships.
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They better loving change the name back to Rocinante
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Cojawfee posted:I liked when they got there and just assumed they'd get to keep their ship as if they were some A-Team special forces whatever out to save the solar system. Not enough people say "You're just a bunch of lovely rock hoppers who lucked into a fancy ship." I feel like that's going to come up now that they don't have much in the way of weapons left anymore. They stole a cop car and now it's out of gas and they don't want to go back to normal. legitimate salvage
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In the books the Roci is basically backed by the OPA/is OPA muscle but in the show they injected a bunch of needless friction and drama between the Roci and Frohnson
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Phi230 posted:They better loving change the name back to Rocinante You can't change the Roci back, it's gone and gone and gone.
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Eiba posted:You're not wrong about recognition in general, but I don't think there exists a fancier ship in the system. At least not on the scale our guys could crew. The impression I get is that her class is meant to be the latest and, at least in her weight division, greatest addition to the MCRN fleet, and is hence more technologically advanced than anything else in the system bar the stealth ships. The black ops team sent to collect the protomolecule from Ganymede, that Errinwright had shot down, were riding in one, and they're not likely to be flying around in a third rate patrol ship on a mission like that.
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Phi230 posted:In the books the Roci is basically backed by the OPA/is OPA muscle but in the show they injected a bunch of needless friction and drama between the Roci and Frohnson The same thing pretty much happens by this point tho, just in a slightly different order.
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NTRabbit posted:The impression I get is that her class is meant to be the latest and, at least in her weight division, greatest addition to the MCRN fleet, and is hence more technologically advanced than anything else in the system bar the stealth ships. There are two berthed on each of the Donnager class battleships.
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Collateral posted:There are two berthed on each of the Donnager class battleships. I didn't say they were super rare, just that her class was the newest one in the fleet, which is why it's fielded in the big roles, while Bulk and Skull on belter
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The Donnagers are absolute bleeding-edge battleships, and in fact THE Donnager was the flagship of the entire MCRN, right? So it makes sense that the frigates they carry are also the best available. The Roci is extremely unique.
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