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FaustianQ posted:Hm, I guess there is a reason for not clocking higher. Apparently die sizes are exactly the same, which indicates Pinnacle only gets optical improvements, it's not actually using improved design libraries probably for drop in compatibility for TR and EPYC; I can see Pinnacle EPYCs being very in demand. Might mean Raven Ridge will hit higher clocks as well since it'll never be an MCM design and therefore doesn't have to be concerned about it. ComputerBase: quote:As Joe Macri, AMD's Vice President & Chief Technology Officer, told ComputerBase, the manufacturer does not take full advantage of the new manufacturing process. AMD uses only the faster transistors and the better energy efficiency of 12LP. But not the smaller structures and thus the new libraries. That's why the Pinnacle Ridge die is the same size (213 mm˛) and has the same number of 4.8 billion transistors as Summit Ridge. Advantage: The development costs AMD has so significantly reduced.
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I got bitten in the rear end with the ThreadRipper/IOMMU issue for the first time - spent the entire weekend trying to debug why a dockerized tensorflow GPU model that worked on my office machine (7820X) wouldn't work on my home ThreadRipper setup. Spent two days thinking it was a code issue without much success until I tried disabling IOMMU in Grub, worked perfectly.
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shrike82 posted:I got bitten in the rear end with the ThreadRipper/IOMMU issue for the first time - spent the entire weekend trying to debug why a dockerized tensorflow GPU model that worked on my office machine (7820X) wouldn't work on my home ThreadRipper setup. Yeah, it's not exactly the most mature technology at the moment, but hopefully TR2 and the associated AGESA updates unfuck it. Or the Epyc AGESA updates tickle down over the next 6 months.
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Twitter analyst talk says that Intel is seriously loving up 10nm and hasn't back ported new architectures to 14nm so I'm not surprised a more modern arch like zen (vs skyline) is kicking rear end at a near 1ghz deficit. GloFo 7nm is apparently delayed a bit but that's not a huge problem given that amd could dual source from TSMC
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FaustianQ posted:Still think AMD needs some SKUs below 99$. Like, loving firesale the Bristol Ridge poo poo AMD, or get more Raven Ridge SKUs out. A 4C/4T, 6CU part and 4C/4T, 4CU part for 79$ and 59$ respectively, heck even the A12-9800 is worth it if it's only 50$. AMD might not be doing it, but MicroCenter sure is: 
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mdxi posted:AMD might not be doing it, but MicroCenter sure is: $80 for the 2200G has my heart pounding a little. That's some good poo poo.
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So does this apparently CPU success increase resources for GPU R&D, or at least more CPU development? Since I got into PC gaming, intel/nvidia has always been the sole answer so its exciting to see that potentially change.
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Paul MaudDib posted:Effectively, reviewers are testing maxed-out 2700Xs against stock 8700Ks. XFR2 pretty much extracts all the overclocking headroom right out of the box... which is good for lazy users who wouldn't otherwise bother with fiddling in the BIOS, but there is easily another 15-20% there on 8700Ks even above MCE speeds. Games still do care about clockrates, even if Ryzen has caught up on latency/etc. XFR2 isn't out of spec, though. PBO is. There's a lot to be said about getting a lot out of your chip without having to put it in danger plus void a warranty. I only tried overclocking this 3770K chip a week ago, because I thought it's value had completely disappeared (haw haw, it's still selling for $250 good god almighty) and figured it was finally time to get my money's worth out of buying a K chip (which was only $10 or so back then) and an AIO cooler. I promptly created a whole bunch of WHEA errors that led to BSODs in Overwatch even though the chip was passing stability tests, and gave up and went back to stock because there's often a correlation between WHEA errors and chip degradation. Some people don't want to risk that, and they especially don't want to risk it on hardware that's new. I never OCed a CPU until this one because I used to have to change my CPU every two years in the Pentium era anyway and it never made sense to overclock an old one versus buying the new hardware you'll need eventually. Also in those days new hardware had immediate noticeable benefits, and we've gone from "IE4 loads in under eight seconds now holy poo poo" to "I can't see any differences between my 8700K and my 4790K."
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So is this in agreement or am I misinterpreting things? Either way, past 14nm products should have no issue getting the benefits of the new "12nm process" with zero effort. mdxi posted:AMD might not be doing it, but MicroCenter sure is: Eh, 49$ for a A8-9600 is still kind a steep, should be 39$ IMHO, for 30$ more the R3 2200G is just going to demolish it, and the R5 1400 is also nutso value if you already have a dGPU. NewFatMike posted:$80 for the 2200G has my heart pounding a little. That's some good poo poo. Basically murders anything in raw value, @ 99$ it's real good but 79$ not even Intel's low end stuff could reasonably compete. Malcolm XML posted:Twitter analyst talk says that Intel is seriously loving up 10nm and hasn't back ported new architectures to 14nm so I'm not surprised a more modern arch like zen (vs skyline) is kicking rear end at a near 1ghz deficit. So basically 8C Coffeelake vs Ryzen 3700X in 2019, lmao. Holy poo poo Intel is going to get murdered. buglord posted:So does this apparently CPU success increase resources for GPU R&D, or at least more CPU development? Since I got into PC gaming, intel/nvidia has always been the sole answer so its exciting to see that potentially change. Yes, sales are strong enough AMD is solidly in the black in nearly a decade and has already been on a massive hiring spree and moving resources around. If Intel can't get their poo poo together for 10nm in 2019, AMD will retake the performance crown. Nvidia is a different matter entirely, and the best you can hope for AMD being competitive at all points in the stack is like, late 2020 at best, 2021 otherwise.
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Happy_Misanthrope posted:This bodes extremely well for the next consoles in 2-3 years too. Iiiiiiiiiii hesitate to agree. Consoles are basically an APU, and if AMD can't rise to the task on the GPU side of the equation, what with Vega being an unmitigated disaster except at low core counts, and Navi not arriving before 2019-2020, it's still not looking hot.
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Craptacular! posted:XFR2 isn't out of spec, though. PBO is. There's a lot to be said about getting a lot out of your chip without having to put it in danger plus void a warranty. It's a crime not to take advantage of the NA Ebay CPU market who seriously are as dumb as bricks, where over here I will be lucky to sell my 4790K for $150 because people actually pays attention to cost-benefit ratios. Also good luck anyone finding P/Z S1155 mobos that aren't degraded by this point. And yeah I definitely will be stocking more 16/32GB DDR4 for future AMD poo poo if we get 2016 prices ever again. SwissArmyDruid posted:Iiiiiiiiiii hesitate to agree. Consoles are basically an APU, and if AMD can't rise to the task on the GPU side of the equation, what with Vega being an unmitigated disaster except at low core counts, and Navi not arriving before 2019-2020, it's still not looking hot. My wild guess is NV is probably talking with Samsung's custom ARM division for the same reasons. Palladium fucked around with this message at 03:56 on Apr 23, 2018 |
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Palladium posted:My wild guess is NV is probably talking with Samsung's custom ARM division for the same reasons. That may be true, but based on how the X.B.O.X. only came out at the end of last year, it probably means they aren't going to launch a new whole-step console any time before 2020, or wind up pissing off people who had just bought the new half-step console. It makes sense for Sony to just sit there and print money, without the pressure to put out a new console any time before then. I just don't see Sony stepping away from the x86 architecture. The benefits of a common ISA with PC, let alone PC and XBOX for developers, are significant. SwissArmyDruid fucked around with this message at 04:54 on Apr 23, 2018 |
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SwissArmyDruid posted:X.B.O.X. Holy crap the more you know.
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FaustianQ posted:So is this in agreement or am I misinterpreting things? Either way, past 14nm products should have no issue getting the benefits of the new "12nm process" with zero effort. Correct, just sourcing your claim here. FaustianQ posted:So basically 8C Coffeelake vs Ryzen 3700X in 2019, lmao. Holy poo poo Intel is going to get murdered. Holy poo poo yes Intel is so turbofucked, if 7nm comes remotely close to what's promised and Intel doesn't make a massive leap above what they've shown to be able to do, they are so hosed. I'm pretty much holding off upgrading my HEDT desktop to see what happens next year. 5960X for $360 or 6950X for $640 is appealing but the showdown next year is probably gonna be real good. 8-core vs 5 GHz: why not both? (and Zen2 may actually be a larger CCX too)
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consoles have a huge lead-time between nailing the specs and putting out the box, because they have to give devs time to make games for the launch. so they're definitely not using navi. and they're gonna be using AMD graphics because that's the only game in town -- the conditions that drove both consoles to use x86 & AMD have not materially changed. so the PS5 at least (which apparently is already in super-early dev kit land) will probably use ryzen & vega derived architecture. consoles don't care that vega is a trash fire, they're not really competing against PCs. however, here's some reasons vega might not be quite as bad a trash fire as you think: 1. it was priced for it's performance competition in the crypto market, not the video games market. AMD has sold big GPUs for minimal margin before, so Vega probably could have been priced cheaper. they didn't because crypto was distorting everything. 2. therefore the only people who bought them were crypto-miners (idiots) and AMD super-fans (also idiots), with the vast majority of purchases being crypto idiots. Vega doesn't even show up on steam hardware charts. 3. given that, zero work is being done to optimize games for vega. Vega really did have arch improvements for GCN, but I doubt they're really getting any attention. 4. GCN is old and creaky, but it's gotten a hell of a lot of lifespan extension already and a lot of targeted optimization based on the consoles. If the next consoles use Vega, that stuff that's being ignored might actually get used!
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NewFatMike posted:$80 for the 2200G has my heart pounding a little. That's some good poo poo. Are there any mITX boards that are decent? If I make the trek out to Microcenter (about 1h) if I could grab a RR box for $200 or less (ideally $150 or less). Probably not going to go out there for just that (it's about $15 in gas just for the trip) but I'd probably do it the next time I was out there. Right now my TV PC does not have H265 decode... and RR does not need a discrete GPU for that, so I wouldn't need to rebuild that PC, I could build a MBox M350 instead. From what I've heard a lot of the mITX boards have terrible 3+2 VRMs and other dumb decisions though. Paul MaudDib fucked around with this message at 06:40 on Apr 23, 2018 |
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There's not a lot of ITX boards. Your choice is to either buy the Strix now with all it's bells and whistles, or wait for the MSI board that's been given press photos, reviews, and a cameo at CES but still isn't at Amazon or Newegg. But given that it's been in the pipe since January who knows if anyone will ever be able to buy one. Gigabyte and ASRock have boards, but if you're peculiar about VRMs it's either Strix or MSI Vaporware. Craptacular! fucked around with this message at 08:00 on Apr 23, 2018 |
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Yet another bios update for my board seems to have doubled the number of DOCP profiles in the bios, and I can now finally run the memory at the rated 3000 instead of having to settle for 2933...
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Amazingly there are a lot of options already available locally. I'd like to upgrade from my B350 board to something more likely able to handle overclocking my 1700, and I also need something with 8 SATA ports for more HDDs. Sadly it's all expensive as gently caress right now, 50000huf is about $200USD, and the first motherboard that fits my SATA requirements is $250USD. Edit: I just found that virtualisation appears to be broken now, I think it's due to a bios update: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ov17CR4tTwE It could just be a VirtualBox issue, I hope it is as that means I can probably get someone to fix it. If it's an ASRock issue then I'm hosed since I've had an open support issue with them for two months and not heard a drat thing. Here's info I got from the one time the Fedora machine booted:   
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If I get a 2700X with 3200 DDR4, and X470 motherboard, how many of these will be reusable for Zen 2? I'm assuming AM4 will still support Zen 2, as crazy as that sounds on its face. Then I could get a Zen 2+ in two-three years as an upgrade and then perhaps get a dedicated motherboard with better performance down the line.
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Paul MaudDib posted:Holy poo poo yes Intel is so turbofucked, if 7nm comes remotely close to what's promised and Intel doesn't make a massive leap above what they've shown to be able to do, they are so hosed. I wouldn't dance on Intels grave yet until we actually see a finished 7nm high power GloFo product.
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Measly Twerp posted:It could just be a VirtualBox issue ufarn posted:Then I could get a Zen 2+ in two-three years as an upgrade and then perhaps get a dedicated motherboard with better performance down the line. --edit: Nevermind, outdated roadmap. Combat Pretzel fucked around with this message at 14:20 on Apr 23, 2018 |
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ufarn posted:If I get a 2700X with 3200 DDR4, and X470 motherboard, how many of these will be reusable for Zen 2? if you believe AMD promises, all of it. you will just need to update your bios and drop in a zen 2 chip. sauer kraut posted:I wouldn't dance on Intels grave yet until we actually see a finished 7nm high power GloFo product. until I see a working 7nm production line somewhere on the planet, I'm not putting money on anyone.
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sauer kraut posted:I wouldn't dance on Intels grave yet until we actually see a finished 7nm high power GloFo product. I'm more than a little skeptical of GloFlo's 7nm claims but at least AMD isn't locked into them anymore and can dual source chips from TSMC.
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Unrelated but I really enjoy your avatar.
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8 core coffeelake (autocorrected to coffeemaker) at around 5ghz is..... Going to be quite potent. I'd be 100% impressed if AMD even caught up to that in IPC or clocks in 2019. GRINDCORE MEGGIDO fucked around with this message at 18:57 on Apr 23, 2018 |
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Combat Pretzel posted:So uh... Why VirtualBox? Especially if you're virtualizing other Linux instances? With KVM and the related paravirt stuff in the kernel, on either side of the VM, would surely make things smoother and more efficient? DDR5 will, obviously. Khorne fucked around with this message at 16:25 on Apr 23, 2018 |
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Combat Pretzel posted:So uh... Why VirtualBox? Especially if you're virtualizing other Linux instances? With KVM and the related paravirt stuff in the kernel, on either side of the VM, would surely make things smoother and more efficient? Because at work we use vagrant to share virtual machine configurations to run on OS X or Linux.
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buglord posted:Unrelated but I really enjoy your avatar. I've been thinking the same thing. 35W TDP R3 2200GE and R5 2400GE just showed up. No bundled heatsink noted, but I wonder if these will find themselves in mobile workstations like the HQ processors from Intel. https://techreport.com/news/33547/amd-ryzen-5-2400ge-and-ryzen-3-2200ge-pop-up-with-35-w-tdps
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Comparing the 2400GE to a 2700U, I'm having a hard time seeing why you would use the former in a laptop unless it's substantially cheaper. Presumably the configurable TDP would allow a 2700U to turbo up to similar performance if set to 25W, and all the specs look the same except for the Vega IGP having 10 CUs in the 2700U vs. 11 in the 2400GE. I definitely expect to see the 2400GE in AIOs or SFF desktops though. e: I'm actually a little surprised that AMD isn't teasing versions of 6-8 core Ryzen for mobile workstations. My guess would be that they either don't think there's sufficient demand or that they are having difficulty producing a sufficiently compact version of the package, but I don't really have any idea. Eletriarnation fucked around with this message at 16:49 on Apr 23, 2018 |
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Eletriarnation posted:Comparing the 2400GE to a 2700U, I'm having a hard time seeing why you would use the former in a laptop unless it's substantially cheaper.
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Eletriarnation posted:e: I'm actually a little surprised that AMD isn't teasing versions of 6-8 core Ryzen for mobile workstations. My guess would be that they either don't think there's sufficient demand or that they are having difficulty producing a sufficiently compact version of the package, but I don't really have any idea. There probably isn't enough demand on the high end to justify a new piece of silicon that wouldn't be addressed by the i7-G market (and AMD still get their money from that without spending any marketing money*). *Given AMD's historical marketing campaigns, this is probably for the best.
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Well Pinnacle is an even better low power solution so maye now?
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Regarding B-die memory, what are the chances I will be able to push it a lot, regardless of what the sticks say (e.g. pushing a DDR4-2400 stick to 3200)? Mostly interested about this to get DDR4-3200 ECC sticks.Measly Twerp posted:Because at work we use vagrant to share virtual machine configurations to run on OS X or Linux. Combat Pretzel fucked around with this message at 18:46 on Apr 23, 2018 |
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Combat Pretzel posted:Regarding B-die memory, what are the chances I will be able to push it a lot, regardless of what the sticks say (e.g. pushing a DDR4-2400 stick to 3200)? Mostly interested about this to get DDR4-3200 ECC sticks. OS X does not support KVM. There's nothing wrong with VirtualBox, it meets all our needs and it's highly likely that KVM would have the exact same problem.
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NewFatMike posted:*Given AMD's historical marketing campaigns, this is probably for the best. I for one am waiting for my monster truck laptop to show up any day now. 
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Measly Twerp posted:OS X does not support KVM. There's nothing wrong with VirtualBox, it meets all our needs and it's highly likely that KVM would have the exact same problem. As far as KVM does, the developers are very diligent when it comes to figuring out workarounds for odd issues like that, assuming you're staying up to date with the kernel. Last I cared about VirtualBox, it didn't seem like much effort is spent on dealing with hardware oddities.
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isndl posted:I for one am waiting for my monster truck laptop to show up any day now. What would 35W Threadripper even look like? 1.5Ghz base, 2.8Ghz boost?
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