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kitten emergency
Jan 13, 2008

get meow this wack-ass crystal prison

not sure what was incorrect in anything i posted there, care to expand on your thoughts

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Waroduce
Aug 5, 2008
I'm not sure where to ask this, and I'm cross-posting from the A/T Career Advice thread. I will remove if it doesn't belong here:

I work for an enterprise software company that has been in business for about 5 years and are currently growing out of the "Start Up" mentality. We have a core software product that is an electronic medical records system that integrates medical charting, prescription pads, pharmacy communication, med tracking, patient tracking, rounds and a bunch of poo poo. Its scaleable from single doctor general practice to large nation-wide hospitals. I started in implementation for them and was responsible from taking a new client from sales, structuring their chart, customizing the software and teaching all the doctors, nurses and staff what buttons to press.

There is a new software product we are adding to our enterprise offering that is a client relationship management software with a bit of marketing stuff tacked on (Tracking ad campagins/dollars per admit/providing basic business intelligence). My COO and CTO approached me and asked me to join the team in an undetermined role and for a salary increase in june/july if i demonstrate aptitude. I pushed back on this and they gave me a bonus with a salary negotiation in June. The structure is CTO of the core product and company, SVP Product Manager/Owner, me, and than i got a team of 4 running basic configuration and doing monkey level data entry (user profiles, security roles, sending invites). I got the team 3 weeks ago after being just me and working like 15 hours a day and bitching to my COO about the product failing due to lovely resource allocation.

I am responsible for some sales demos, implementation, project management, end user training and communicating customer requests to the dev team. I also am in the stand up meeting for the dev team every morning at 9am (They are remote a few states away), and write user stories and bugs in Visual Studios. I do NOT code at all apart from some basic ruby on rails web manipulation poo poo for the core product to automate lovely boring tasks. I am also part of the bi-weekly sprint planning meetings and architecture meetings where i do voice an opinion on either poo poo i care about, the customer cares about or if i understand something.

Among a whole host of questions I have involving like salary, I would first like to ask what do you guys think an appropriate title to ask for is? I am a senior implementation specialist now, and Enterprise Implementation Specialist or Manager would work and seem to be natural (I am the only one in the ENTIRE Company that can implement the CRM and the core EMR product. I am the only who knows the CRM apart from the SVP) but I was wondering if pivoting my resume into some sort of Product Manager role may be better for me and sound more impressive? I feel like thats a harder, better title than enterprise implementation manager. I Feel like i def want manager in it somewhere....

AWWNAW
Dec 30, 2008

uncurable mlady posted:

not sure what was incorrect in anything i posted there, care to expand on your thoughts

it was a fine post sir keep doing the lor'ds work

just post

kitten emergency
Jan 13, 2008

get meow this wack-ass crystal prison

Waroduce posted:

I'm not sure where to ask this, and I'm cross-posting from the A/T Career Advice thread. I will remove if it doesn't belong here:

I work for an enterprise software company that has been in business for about 5 years and are currently growing out of the "Start Up" mentality. We have a core software product that is an electronic medical records system that integrates medical charting, prescription pads, pharmacy communication, med tracking, patient tracking, rounds and a bunch of poo poo. Its scaleable from single doctor general practice to large nation-wide hospitals. I started in implementation for them and was responsible from taking a new client from sales, structuring their chart, customizing the software and teaching all the doctors, nurses and staff what buttons to press.

There is a new software product we are adding to our enterprise offering that is a client relationship management software with a bit of marketing stuff tacked on (Tracking ad campagins/dollars per admit/providing basic business intelligence). My COO and CTO approached me and asked me to join the team in an undetermined role and for a salary increase in june/july if i demonstrate aptitude. I pushed back on this and they gave me a bonus with a salary negotiation in June. The structure is CTO of the core product and company, SVP Product Manager/Owner, me, and than i got a team of 4 running basic configuration and doing monkey level data entry (user profiles, security roles, sending invites). I got the team 3 weeks ago after being just me and working like 15 hours a day and bitching to my COO about the product failing due to lovely resource allocation.

I am responsible for some sales demos, implementation, project management, end user training and communicating customer requests to the dev team. I also am in the stand up meeting for the dev team every morning at 9am (They are remote a few states away), and write user stories and bugs in Visual Studios. I do NOT code at all apart from some basic ruby on rails web manipulation poo poo for the core product to automate lovely boring tasks. I am also part of the bi-weekly sprint planning meetings and architecture meetings where i do voice an opinion on either poo poo i care about, the customer cares about or if i understand something.

Among a whole host of questions I have involving like salary, I would first like to ask what do you guys think an appropriate title to ask for is? I am a senior implementation specialist now, and Enterprise Implementation Specialist or Manager would work and seem to be natural (I am the only one in the ENTIRE Company that can implement the CRM and the core EMR product. I am the only who knows the CRM apart from the SVP) but I was wondering if pivoting my resume into some sort of Product Manager role may be better for me and sound more impressive? I feel like thats a harder, better title than enterprise implementation manager. I Feel like i def want manager in it somewhere....

senior product manager, or maybe product director depending on how y'all do poo poo

Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene

Waroduce posted:

I'm not sure where to ask this, and I'm cross-posting from the A/T Career Advice thread. I will remove if it doesn't belong here:

I work for an enterprise software company that has been in business for about 5 years and are currently growing out of the "Start Up" mentality. We have a core software product that is an electronic medical records system that integrates medical charting, prescription pads, pharmacy communication, med tracking, patient tracking, rounds and a bunch of poo poo. Its scaleable from single doctor general practice to large nation-wide hospitals. I started in implementation for them and was responsible from taking a new client from sales, structuring their chart, customizing the software and teaching all the doctors, nurses and staff what buttons to press.

There is a new software product we are adding to our enterprise offering that is a client relationship management software with a bit of marketing stuff tacked on (Tracking ad campagins/dollars per admit/providing basic business intelligence). My COO and CTO approached me and asked me to join the team in an undetermined role and for a salary increase in june/july if i demonstrate aptitude. I pushed back on this and they gave me a bonus with a salary negotiation in June. The structure is CTO of the core product and company, SVP Product Manager/Owner, me, and than i got a team of 4 running basic configuration and doing monkey level data entry (user profiles, security roles, sending invites). I got the team 3 weeks ago after being just me and working like 15 hours a day and bitching to my COO about the product failing due to lovely resource allocation.

I am responsible for some sales demos, implementation, project management, end user training and communicating customer requests to the dev team. I also am in the stand up meeting for the dev team every morning at 9am (They are remote a few states away), and write user stories and bugs in Visual Studios. I do NOT code at all apart from some basic ruby on rails web manipulation poo poo for the core product to automate lovely boring tasks. I am also part of the bi-weekly sprint planning meetings and architecture meetings where i do voice an opinion on either poo poo i care about, the customer cares about or if i understand something.

Among a whole host of questions I have involving like salary, I would first like to ask what do you guys think an appropriate title to ask for is? I am a senior implementation specialist now, and Enterprise Implementation Specialist or Manager would work and seem to be natural (I am the only one in the ENTIRE Company that can implement the CRM and the core EMR product. I am the only who knows the CRM apart from the SVP) but I was wondering if pivoting my resume into some sort of Product Manager role may be better for me and sound more impressive? I feel like thats a harder, better title than enterprise implementation manager. I Feel like i def want manager in it somewhere....

if you can't code, and you're not interested in code, you may have a hard time moving to another firm as a "product manager"

"sales engineer" sounds like it would be equally applicable...

Blinkz0rz
May 27, 2001

MY CONTEMPT FOR MY OWN EMPLOYEES IS ONLY MATCHED BY MY LOVE FOR TOM BRADY'S SWEATY MAGA BALLS

uncurable mlady posted:

not sure what was incorrect in anything i posted there, care to expand on your thoughts

i was suggesting it was a perfect post

have i misinterpreted that emoticon?

Trimson Grondag 3
Jul 1, 2007

Clapping Larry

uncurable mlady posted:

senior product manager, or maybe product director depending on how y'all do poo poo

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

"sales engineer" sounds like it would be equally applicable...

yep this is a hybrid between product management and sales engineering, in a larger company it would be two jobs but pretty common for them to be combined in a smaller company. id call yourself a product manager if you can.

Feisty-Cadaver
Jun 1, 2000
The worms crawl in,
The worms crawl out.
are you saying a company started 5 years ago chose loving _rails_ as the tech? on purpose?

jony neuemonic
Nov 13, 2009

Blinkz0rz posted:

i was suggesting it was a perfect post

have i misinterpreted that emoticon?

this is a cynical place, we don’t understand sincerity.

qhat
Jul 6, 2015


Feisty-Cadaver posted:

are you saying a company started 5 years ago chose loving _rails_ as the tech? on purpose?

Rails for the piece of poo poo that it is was hella popular five years ago

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

uncurable mlady posted:

senior product manager, or maybe product director depending on how y'all do poo poo

should work in at least director if you are a direct report to a SVP

you’re on the sales side now so titles need to sound impressive. “manager” now means “individual contributor” for example :v:

kitten emergency
Jan 13, 2008

get meow this wack-ass crystal prison

Blinkz0rz posted:

i was suggesting it was a perfect post

have i misinterpreted that emoticon?

oh, sorry! i misinterpreted you. c-spam has kinda irony poisoned that emote.

TimWinter
Mar 30, 2015

https://timsthebomb.com
What's an svp?

carry on then
Jul 10, 2010

by VideoGames

(and can't post for 10 years!)

TimWinter posted:

What's an svp?

señor vice president

champagne posting
Apr 5, 2006

YOU ARE A BRAIN
IN A BUNKER

TimWinter posted:

What's an svp?

very important manager type

Schadenboner
Aug 15, 2011

by Shine

Blinkz0rz posted:

i was suggesting it was a perfect post

have i misinterpreted that emoticon?

:kiss:

PIZZA.BAT
Nov 12, 2016


:cheers:


uncurable mlady posted:

oh, sorry! i misinterpreted you. c-spam has kinda irony poisoned that emote.

no that's its original meaning. it's meant to be sarcastic

Blinkz0rz
May 27, 2001

MY CONTEMPT FOR MY OWN EMPLOYEES IS ONLY MATCHED BY MY LOVE FOR TOM BRADY'S SWEATY MAGA BALLS
welp

HoboMan
Nov 4, 2010

i had a technical interview on friday (my first in years) and now today i can't stop thinking about how much i must have come across as a complete dipshit

Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene

HoboMan posted:

i had a technical interview on friday (my first in years) and now today i can't stop thinking about how much i must have come across as a complete dipshit

happens to the best of us

FMguru
Sep 10, 2003

peed on;
sexually

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

happens to the best of us
and also tori

kitten emergency
Jan 13, 2008

get meow this wack-ass crystal prison

Rex-Goliath posted:

no that's its original meaning. it's meant to be sarcastic

yeah, that’s why I misinterpreted it as being sarcastic rather than sincere.

idk, maybe I’ll write a blog post about it.

jesus WEP
Oct 17, 2004


please do not steal prefect’s gimmick of using sarcastic emotes sincerely

HoboMan
Nov 4, 2010

so i am today officially free from any responsibility at work beyond showing up

my boss said i can spend the day working on my resume or whatever else i want to do

jony neuemonic
Nov 13, 2009

HoboMan posted:

i had a technical interview on friday (my first in years) and now today i can't stop thinking about how much i must have come across as a complete dipshit

same. good god did i bomb mine.

Arcsech
Aug 5, 2008

HoboMan posted:

i had a technical interview on friday (my first in years) and now today i can't stop thinking about how much i must have come across as a complete dipshit

welcome to the club

i have another one tonight and im gonna flub it so bad

Shaman Linavi
Apr 3, 2012

plz stop being so negative, i don't want all yalls bad interview juju hitting me through the 'pos and making me stink up my upcoming interviews
im able to do that on my own

qhat
Jul 6, 2015


Consider carefully why you felt like an rear end in a top hat. Were you presumptuous and came off holier than thou, or was the interviewer obstinate and difficult to get through to. I've had both and if it's the latter, I stop feeling so bad when I conclude that I wouldn't want to work that guy.

HoboMan
Nov 4, 2010

no, i just said some stupid poo poo

Bloody
Mar 3, 2013

uncurable mlady posted:

ideally "devops" in a professional software dev org is mostly concerned with improving the efficiency and effectiveness of the sdlc via tooling and automation at varying parts of the process.

oh gently caress thats the job i wish i had

except not just for software but also for electronics

Janitor Prime
Jan 22, 2004

PC LOAD LETTER

What da fuck does that mean

Fun Shoe

Bloody posted:

oh gently caress thats the job i wish i had

except not just for software but also for electronics

I would expand that past SDLC into the whole product development

qhat
Jul 6, 2015


In reality you'll be screaming at developers 90% of the time because they broke the build.

ShadowHawk
Jun 25, 2000

CERTIFIED PRE OWNED TESLA OWNER

qhat posted:

In reality you'll be screaming at developers 90% of the time because they broke the build.
You should be automating your continuous build system to scream at them for you.

HoboMan
Nov 4, 2010

Shaman Linavi posted:

plz stop being so negative, i don't want all yalls bad interview juju hitting me through the 'pos and making me stink up my upcoming interviews
im able to do that on my own

it's ok, i just got an email saying they got really positive feedback and asked for a good time for me to do an interview with the suits

Schadenboner
Aug 15, 2011

by Shine

HoboMan posted:

it's ok, i just got an email saying they got really positive feedback and asked for a good time for me to do an interview with the suits

You actually flunked so badly they're bringing you in to capture you for a zoo.

:ohdear:

Arcsech
Aug 5, 2008
bout to do an interview, wish me luck

jony neuemonic
Nov 13, 2009

Arcsech posted:

bout to do an interview, wish me luck

:yotj:

Munkeymon
Aug 14, 2003

Motherfucker's got an
armor-piercing crowbar! Rigoddamndicu𝜆ous.



ShadowHawk posted:

You should be automating your continuous build system to scream at them for you.

https://mobile.twitter.com/infinite_scream has that covered so I guess devops is done and everyone can go home :angel:

Arcsech
Aug 5, 2008

Arcsech posted:

bout to do an interview, wish me luck

update: it was a total fuckin disaster

e: at least it was through karat who gives you a redo so i can do a that and bomb out all over again

e2: hopefully i can do better on a day where i have gotten more than 5 hours of sleep, and also hopefully learn to not overthink things hella bad

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Shaman Linavi
Apr 3, 2012

Arcsech posted:

and also hopefully learn to not overthink things hella bad

good luck with this

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