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Within the bounds of comic TV logic, but I thought it was way better at writing its characters than, say, any other CW show right now.
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# ? Apr 22, 2018 01:09 |
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Fair enough. IMO this show went from good to great with Mick's voiceover intro in season 2.
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# ? Apr 22, 2018 01:10 |
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HUGE SPACEKABLOOIE posted:Fair enough. That's when it went from "they're laid back and not taking this too seriously" to "they're laid back and not taking this too seriously, and it's clearly on purpose." Bruceski fucked around with this message at 03:31 on Apr 22, 2018 |
# ? Apr 22, 2018 01:49 |
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The two things about season 1 that were poo are, Vandal Savage is not savage enough, and he's too short. Eternal friendzone. Hawkman is a blackhole of charisma. thousands of years old, learned nothing about women, or people for that matter.
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# ? Apr 22, 2018 03:24 |
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Rocksicles posted:The two things about season 1 that were poo are, Vandal Savage is not savage enough, and he's too short. Eternal friendzone. The thing about Savage is he's not supposed to be a grinning knife loving psychopath. He adapts to the cruelty of the times, but he's a planner. The episode where he's posing as a regular 50s suburban dude is probably the closest the show's ever come to his original (comic book) spirit. Rocksicles posted:Hawkman is a blackhole of charisma. thousands of years old, learned nothing about women, or people for that matter. Hawkman was a creepy date rapist and every time he woodenly proclaimed Kendra would fall in love with him no matter what it made me cringe.
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# ? Apr 22, 2018 05:53 |
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Yeah but that was pretty true to the comic book spirit. Like Kendra's entire comic book origin is her being this traumatized kid who has this middle aged dude say "YOU ARE MY REINCARNATED WIFE AND ONE TRUE LOVE AND I WILL HAVE YOU UNTIL WE DIE AND ARE REUNITED IN THE NEXT LIFE!" and Kendra going "Ewwww, get away from me, rapey man!" I'm pretty sure she's supposed to go hook up with Roy Harper and piss Carter off. Maybe when we get that Wally/Roy Not Titans spinoff... STAC Goat fucked around with this message at 06:10 on Apr 22, 2018 |
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STAC Goat posted:Yeah but that was pretty true to the comic book spirit. They also really hosed themselves hard with the crossover that set up Legends in the first place and introduced Kendra and Carter. Kendra and Cisco falling for each other in the episodes leading up it was nice because they had good chemistry together and he genuinely appreciated her as a person. Then Carter swoops in and is a moody domineering rear end in a top hat with a billion red flags around him... and she chooses to go with him anyway. It engendered a lot of really bad will towards both of them right off the bat for really screwing over the loveable audience surrogate character quite callously. Then Legends itself spent an entire season going "Hey, look Kendra! There's a whole continuum of better people out there for you, from Ray, to Sara, to Snart, to literally anyone but Carter--oh? You're gonna stay with the grumbly date rapist? Okay, bye then!" nine-gear crow fucked around with this message at 06:27 on Apr 22, 2018 |
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Eh, I don't think they "hosed themselves." Like the fact that Kendra is both righteously outraged by the entitlement and inappropriateness of Carter and this "destiny" crap but also kind of annoyingly drawn by the fate of it all is basically the character. My memory is they do eventually hook up once everyone convinces him to stop stalking her. They stayed loosely true to that by having her fall in love with Ray and then still feel that attachment to Carter once he was no longer being all rapey. Even with her flying off with Carter they could always have her come back and say "yeah, we need our distance". I think its clear they just wanted to wipe the slate clean of the Hawks and Savage at that time and give Legends a shot without the baggage. Now that Legends has found its groove and the Arrowverse has gotten so big I think they could probably easily reintroduce Kendra if they wanted to. But I'm not exactly screaming for it. Unless it somehow gets my NotTitans thing going... STAC Goat fucked around with this message at 06:31 on Apr 22, 2018 |
# ? Apr 22, 2018 06:29 |
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I like the actress they got for Kendra (she has an amazing thousand-watt smile ) but at this point if they want to bring Hawkgirl back they should just get like the Hawkgirl of 2099 who's a Thanagarian and isn't connected the Vandal Savage/Reincarnation poo poo at all. Bonus points if they can work Maria Canals-Barrera in somehow.
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# ? Apr 22, 2018 07:05 |
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8one6 posted:I like the actress they got for Kendra (she has an amazing thousand-watt smile ) but at this point if they want to bring Hawkgirl back they should just get like the Hawkgirl of 2099 who's a Thanagarian and isn't connected the Vandal Savage/Reincarnation poo poo at all. I'm sure they could work in proper alien Thanagarians in Supergirl and have Maria be a Chief of Police/Commander while Kendra's actress plays the person on the ground on Earth
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# ? Apr 22, 2018 09:00 |
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Robot Hobo posted:Ray accidentally invents an evil ray, then also accidentally blasts himself with the evil ray to become Evil Ray. Sounds like a Legends script, let's dial it up a little bit more and they're stuck in 1980s Miami. Constantine is hitting on Edward James Olmos who is trying to stop a drug deal which is actually MAGIC VOODOO DRUGS and Evil Ray keeps messing stuff up.
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# ? Apr 22, 2018 17:25 |
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Atarask posted:Sounds like a Legends script, let's dial it up a little bit more and they're stuck in 1980s Miami. Constantine is hitting on Edward James Olmos who is trying to stop a drug deal which is actually MAGIC VOODOO DRUGS and Evil Ray keeps messing stuff up. It's the 80's, you forgot Damien Dhark is there with a mustache wearing the most pastel suit he could find.
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# ? Apr 22, 2018 18:48 |
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Wow you guys at terrible at this legends would never do anything that vanilla
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# ? Apr 22, 2018 20:17 |
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Recently seen the John Noble episode. Watching him run those lines and calling it crap was great.
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# ? Apr 22, 2018 20:58 |
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Atarask posted:Sounds like a Legends script, let's dial it up a little bit more and they're stuck in 1980s Miami. Constantine is hitting on Edward James Olmos who is trying to stop a drug deal which is actually MAGIC VOODOO DRUGS and Evil Ray keeps messing stuff up. Plot twist - Diaz was the drug lord all along! It was all part of his long-term plan.
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# ? Apr 23, 2018 18:54 |
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CobiWann posted:Plot twist - Diaz was the drug lord all along! It was all part of his long-term plan. Gotta admit, the Diaz gag is hilarious but it really makes me glad I haven't bothered watching Arrow since the half-season break.
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# ? Apr 23, 2018 18:57 |
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Zebulon posted:Gotta admit, the Diaz gag is hilarious but it really makes me glad I haven't bothered watching Arrow since the half-season break. Last week Diaz had an episode focused on him that really helped the character. Shifted it from "magically one step ahead" to "has been thinking about how to do this for a real long time and wants it real bad." Shame they couldn't have put it before all the episodes where this small-time drug dealer was made out to be a mastermind. Still hasn't been given a lot to work with. Bruceski fucked around with this message at 19:49 on Apr 23, 2018 |
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Davros1 posted:The Hawkgirl actress was one of the worst actresses I've ever seen. Don't ever bring her back. This. Her character was OK for the most part, but the actress wasn't good.
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# ? Apr 23, 2018 20:22 |
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Doctor Butts posted:This. Her character was OK for the most part, but the actress wasn't good. Well, maybe she was also a barista two weeks before becoming an actress.
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# ? Apr 23, 2018 20:26 |
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I dreamt about the Legends last night. Im fuzzy on the details now but I woke up really happy.
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# ? Apr 23, 2018 21:10 |
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Sloth Life posted:I dreamt about the Legends last night. Im fuzzy on the details now but I woke up really happy. Sounds like Legends episode alright.
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# ? Apr 23, 2018 21:31 |
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Sloth Life posted:I dreamt about the Legends last night. Im fuzzy on the details now but I woke up really happy. Sex dreams with Beebo is something for the therapists office alright.
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# ? Apr 23, 2018 21:52 |
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Bruceski posted:Last week Diaz had an episode focused on him that really helped the character. Shifted it from "magically one step ahead" to "has been thinking about how to do this for a real long time and wants it real bad." Shame they couldn't have put it before all the episodes where this small-time drug dealer was made out to be a mastermind. Still hasn't been given a lot to work with. Meh, it did establish some motivation for him but showing that he's John Wick with a gun and that he's patient and planned for awhile still doesn't explain how he was able to do all of this. It's still basically magic If anything the episode just reinforced that he really was just a small time street rat who had lofty ambitions. WhyteRyce fucked around with this message at 22:37 on Apr 23, 2018 |
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Atarask posted:Sounds like a Legends script, let's dial it up a little bit more and they're stuck in 1980s Miami. Constantine is hitting on Edward James Olmos who is trying to stop a drug deal which is actually MAGIC VOODOO DRUGS and Evil Ray keeps messing stuff up. They should have an episode where it's every single 80s detective show at once and Edward James Olmos is there sneaking around a mansion karate chopping drug dealers and taking out KGB guys with a samurai sword.
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# ? Apr 23, 2018 22:44 |
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Wheat Loaf posted:They should have an episode where it's every single 80s detective show at once and
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# ? Apr 24, 2018 00:42 |
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Zebulon posted:I haven't bothered watching Arrow since the half-season break. You've already won!
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# ? Apr 24, 2018 01:02 |
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OB_Juan posted:You've already won! Oh poo poo! Diaz is in the thread.
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# ? Apr 24, 2018 01:40 |
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OB_Juan posted:You've already won! That's definitely what it seems like. Maybe I'll just slam through it once it's on Netflix or something.
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# ? Apr 24, 2018 03:25 |
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CobiWann posted:<snip> But the thing is, there are actual episodes of Miami Vice where Edward James Olmos takes out bad guys with a samurai sword and has martial arts fights.
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# ? Apr 24, 2018 10:29 |
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Wheat Loaf posted:But the thing is, there are actual episodes of Miami Vice where Edward James Olmos takes out bad guys with a samurai sword and has martial arts fights. Alas, we didn’t get to see EJO go to town on anyone with a samurai sword on Battlestar Galactica and the world is a dimmer place for it.
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# ? Apr 24, 2018 11:33 |
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WhyteRyce posted:Meh, it did establish some motivation for him but showing that he's John Wick with a gun and that he's patient and planned for awhile still doesn't explain how he was able to do all of this. It's still basically magic So it doesn't explain how Diaz killed Cayden's son with the goal of Cayden eventually being broken out of prison by Helix and planning to take revenge on Green Arrow?
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# ? Apr 24, 2018 11:48 |
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Wheat Loaf posted:But the thing is, there are actual episodes of Miami Vice where Edward James Olmos takes out bad guys with a samurai sword and has martial arts fights. I know...however I still want Lee Van Cleef, the world famous Dutch ninja who enjoyed the tranquility of post-war Japan.
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# ? Apr 24, 2018 14:56 |
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CobiWann posted:I know...however I still want Lee Van Cleef, the world famous Dutch ninja who enjoyed the tranquility of post-war Japan. He finally dumps Timothy Van Patten and enlists the Legends' help in tracking down his daughter
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# ? Apr 24, 2018 19:10 |
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Just a reminder that there is a thread for Arrow so take your complaints about how terrible Diaz is (and he is so terrible) there. This is a happy thread for an awesome show.
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# ? Apr 24, 2018 20:07 |
aw poo poo, he's got the mods in his pocket too ... anyway, back to how terrible Hawkman is
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# ? Apr 24, 2018 20:29 |
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Grillfiend posted:anyway, back to how terrible Hawkman is Happy to oblige. *In a wood-tier acting monotone voice: "I will save you from the villain who wants to forcefully be your lover for all eternity by being creepy and forcing you to be my lover for all eternity." "Remember, you cannot have any boyfriend but me. I must now proceed to have no interaction whatsoever with any other cast member, or have any hobbies, interests or personality for that matter." Elentor fucked around with this message at 21:29 on Apr 24, 2018 |
# ? Apr 24, 2018 21:25 |
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Say what you will about the man, at least Vandal Savage kind of developed a bit of personality by the end of the first season. Dude started showing a kernel of actually enjoying being an evil prick that Darhk and Thawne would pick up and run with with gusto.
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# ? Apr 24, 2018 21:31 |
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And there was his famous tuna casserole.
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# ? Apr 24, 2018 21:32 |
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nine-gear crow posted:Say what you will about the man, at least Vandal Savage kind of developed a bit of personality by the end of the first season. Dude started showing a kernel of actually enjoying being an evil prick that Darhk and Thawne would pick up and run with with gusto. I mean, let's be honest here, not just anyone - anything had more personality than Hawkman. Who is more of a character - Hunter's coat or Hawkman? Do you have a bigger emotional connection to the waverider's medbay, or Hawkman?
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# ? Apr 24, 2018 21:38 |
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Elentor posted:I mean, let's be honest here, not just anyone - anything had more personality than Hawkman. I would be somewhat choked up if the Waverider’s medbay suddenly exploded. I mean, it was the room Stein died in and all. If Hawkman exploded I would probably jump and cheer.
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