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Am I projecting or were the various backgrounds pretty drat great looking this episode? I feel like it's pretty decent world building and making the planets feel more believable. I mean, this background isn't even that good, but it being connected with Yang talking to Jean, and the scene implying he's looking out of the window with this view in front of him while casually doing something on his terminal kinda delivered well.  El Facil looked a bit too similar to Manhattan's shoreline though. I also understand why the pace is what it is but I almost wish we could've had two "chill" episodes like this for some world and character building.
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That was a lot of yang backstory rolled into one ep yeah, but it does the job. And yeah cazernu now looks like shiroe from log horizon. Anyway, i did love this shot:  Thats just a pier to dock all the spaceships they need hah, amazing. That must have taken a lot of time and money to build. It's what i love about this universe, the sheer scale of warfare they are doing here is gigantic. Usually in scifi you just see a couple of giant ships, but not in LOGH. No for some reason in this universe its all about making thousands of ships.
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Apr 25, 2018 04:51
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woah woah woah. Sidney Sithole??? No julian yet (haven't finished the ep) but Poor Sideny got hurt with the very worst of redesign. Holy poo poo.
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DamnGlitch posted:woah woah woah. Sidney Sithole??? You can't say that and not post pictures.
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Apr 25, 2018 05:19
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So I think this show works best as a supplement. The OVA is the OG but this does underline and emotionalize some of the key events that I feel will be more impactful for people who have seen the OVA. At least, that's been the case for me. Must have teared up twice during ep 4, not counting the ed.Argas posted:You can't say that and not post pictures. 
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Apr 25, 2018 05:29
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gourdcaptain posted:Problem is DNT only has twelve episodes for the first season (and then three movies after that only), so spending this much time even on Spiral Labyrinth material seems like a dubious choice. If they want to use 12 episodes to cover the first book, which included both the capture of iserlohn and the failed FPA invasion, then going this fast was a good choice, yeah. I look forward to the next episode, which is called the Birth of the 13th Fleet.
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Apr 25, 2018 06:01
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Captain_duck posted:Anyway, i did love this shot: I know the answer is always "Space Napoleon", but why would you even build something like that? It doesn't confer any defensive benefits, it doesn't seem to be a manufacturing/repair facility (which wouldn't require storing the whole fleet at once), and it doesn't seem to be an effective method for loading/disembarking.
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Apr 25, 2018 07:23
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No lie, I got shivers at the end of episode 1 when Yang was introduced. Definitely agree that you'll get a lot more out of this a supplemental show to the ova...
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Apr 25, 2018 15:00
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God drat the new character designs are grade a garbage
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Apr 25, 2018 16:51
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the white subs vs yellow subs meme, but it's about character designs instead
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this remake is fuckin dreadful, i totally believe that they would shove all of spiral labyrinth into one episode because it makes really poor decisions constantly
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Apr 25, 2018 17:21
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I'm just happy we're getting more LoGH and I don't mind the new series too much 
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I think the new series is fine and serviceable with some nice moments, but I am real hype for the movies. Previous ep had lots of yang wens-happy-hour which is what really matter.
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DamnGlitch posted:I think the new series is fine and serviceable with some nice moments, but I am real hype for the movies.
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Apr 25, 2018 23:53
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Microcline posted:I know the answer is always "Space Napoleon", but why would you even build something like that? It doesn't confer any defensive benefits, it doesn't seem to be a manufacturing/repair facility (which wouldn't require storing the whole fleet at once), and it doesn't seem to be an effective method for loading/disembarking. It's basically Space Napoleon but I could kinda see a point of having a structure housing all the ships for logistics. Deliver supplies to a central gigantic dock/several docks which is/are connected to the pier structure and deliver the supplies to the ships via some sort of rail system instead of having several small ships dock with each ship for supplies.
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I think that structure looks fine? It has enough space to load cargo and refuel all of the ships together.
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Apr 26, 2018 01:23
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Makes a hell of a lot more sense than 30k gigantic military ships free floating in orbit. Keeps travel lanes lanes open. Didn't see no Artremis Necklace hanging out in the background tho, that was a shame.
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In my mind, those docks aren't static. It's more a portable housing instead of the working drydocks with a rail system for loading/unloading crew and supplies.
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HerpicleOmnicron5 posted:In my mind, those docks aren't static. It's more a portable housing instead of the working drydocks with a rail system for loading/unloading crew and supplies. yeah, something akin to  Ships being tied to eachother at dock, maybe with some special shielding so the radioactive parts of the ships don't irradiate the crews of other ships and allowing easy cargo / crew access. I see LOGH fleets being large enough that you get 100 or so ships together you have enough crew / equipment to perform almost any repairs via pooling resources. Ships full of supply enter the matrix pier, offload whatever, and go for more supplies / crew.
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That big grid dock thing looks like something you'd use for resupply and minor repairs, not something that can really tear apart and put back together a ship. While I hope they get to the next ep soon, I think it's not a bad idea for neue LoGH to contrast the living standards of the FPA and the Empire. The Empire sucks as a place to live, so much of their economy has been deliberately deindustrialized in order to enforce the social order of nobles and peasants. Like holy gently caress, someone was transporting grain to market on a loving donkey wagon, are you deliberately sabotaging your own economy? Meanwhile the FPA makes up for its inferior human resource pool with automation (even if their weapons don't have the same wattage and their reactors have lower outputs). It would be extremely scary to the FPA if some Empire leader were to, say, implement some deadshit easy policies to increase their economic output, such as increasing the productivity of their workers with some dirt cheap capital.
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Apr 26, 2018 04:21
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I remember reading that FPA's big warships can't land / launch from planets, while empire ships can.
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Giving a starship atmospheric abilities is an engineering luxury and has little war fighting utility. A starship on the ground can be killed by ground artillery or orbital strikes. A starship in orbit with its reactor running warm can respond/withdraw at a moment's notice, or support landing forces with its own orbital strikes. A starship that can land on the ground is extremely useful to terrorize a cowed and unarmed population.
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Phobophilia posted:Giving a starship atmospheric abilities is an engineering luxury and has little war fighting utility. A starship on the ground can be killed by ground artillery or orbital strikes. A starship in orbit with its reactor running warm can respond/withdraw at a moment's notice, or support landing forces with its own orbital strikes. It can also deploy troops and heavier duty gear. I bet Empire military forces are more mechanised.
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Apr 26, 2018 04:42
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Although the battles they fight against each other are naval, the Empire would have more need to fight land wars, insofar as autocracy means having more rebellions to put down.
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Bongo Bill posted:Although the battles they fight against each other are naval, the Empire would have more need to fight land wars, insofar as autocracy means having more rebellions to put down. Their culture also very clearly values manly man-to-man fighting and military virtue a lot more, given that there are multiple scenes where exalted officers like Reuental and Mittermeyer who should be a million miles away from infantry combat get stuck in personally and you have nobles like Ovlisser who are famous and feared because of their hand to hand fighting ability. It's also of note that the deadliest and most feared FPA infantry unit are composed and led by Imperial exiles.
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Holy crap I just watched an english dub.... I don't even know if it was real or not, my brain cannot handle this. All the voices suck except maybe Yang and Reinhard, so far. But then we don't really have any cast members at all yet so that might be okay.
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Bongo Bill posted:Although the battles they fight against each other are naval, the Empire would have more need to fight land wars, insofar as autocracy means having more rebellions to put down. Yeah I don't think it's ever explicitly stated but the plot makes a ton more sense if you assume the empire has been regularly fighting internal rebellions and civil wars. It explains why they have huge fortresses like Geiersburg located outside the Iserlohn corridor, and why Reinhard comes out of the Lippstadt war in such a strong position since the empire is finally directing it's full force outwards.
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P-Mack posted:Yeah I don't think it's ever explicitly stated but the plot makes a ton more sense if you assume the empire has been regularly fighting internal rebellions and civil wars. It explains why they have huge fortresses like Geiersburg located outside the Iserlohn corridor, and why Reinhard comes out of the Lippstadt war in such a strong position since the empire is finally directing it's full force outwards. I don’t know that anyone ever SAYS it’s regular but on the evidence of the series it definitely IS whether people recognize it or not. We see one minor uprising and one major rebellion/civil war in the first season alone!
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The FPA itself came about after an uprising too. And fessan is also essentially uprising but no one really cares because $$$. Reinhard's movement is also an uprising. Empire is pretty unstable yo!
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P-Mack posted:Yeah I don't think it's ever explicitly stated but the plot makes a ton more sense if you assume the empire has been regularly fighting internal rebellions and civil wars. It explains why they have huge fortresses like Geiersburg located outside the Iserlohn corridor, and why Reinhard comes out of the Lippstadt war in such a strong position since the empire is finally directing it's full force outwards. The empire also has a larger population and resource base. And the FPA crippled themselves in their attempted invasion so it's not surprising that the Empire is able to dominate them militarily afterwards.
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The real reason they call him Miracle Yang is because he can make the series last for like ten more books after the Alliance completely ruined its military capacity and economy with that invasion.
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Bongo Bill posted:The real reason they call him Miracle Yang is because he can make the series last for like ten more books after the Alliance completely ruined its military capacity and economy with that invasion. When they gave Yang command and he gathered up all the old patrol ships to make a ramshackle fleet I was incredibly hyped that they were still in the game. Then after the alliance falls I just look back and realize that unless Reinhard died the FPA was always hosed. The empire simply had the ability to absorb losses that the FPA didn't. It's fantastic that they still managed to make a compelling story with a united galaxy.
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Getting by with insane odds is based on a true story though. Korean Admiral Yi Soon-Sin was jailed because a Japanese spy convinced the Korean nobles that Yi was going to seize power for himself. The Korean navy got decimated from 200 ships to 12 in his absence. When Yi was released he defeated the Japanese invasion force of 300 ships with those 12 ships by luring them into a narrow corridor where the direction of the tide changed depending on the time of day. At one point he faced the entire Japanese fleet with one ship: they couldn’t get in range to fire their cannons with the tide coming at them, but Yi’s ship could hit them because of his larger cannons.
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Cao Cao lost at red cliffs, but the Jin still succeeded in reunifying china. After astarte the best the FPA could hope for was a return to the Status Quo. They were always the weaker power and they would've lost most of their fleet, their support from Fezzan, and their officer core was decimated by the civil war. Unless the Empire fell into complete civil war the fall of the FPA was an eventuality. Miracles can only get you so far if the Empire can take ten losses for every ship you lose they'll win if they have a hundred times as many ships.
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Yeah the problem is always going to be that eventually smaller powers are going to be gobbled up by the larger ones. It can be put off for a bit and some luck and other factors can stall but when the universe is basically just two powers there really isn’t a way that could end. At best you can hope to be like a Byzantium in the 7th century playing defensively and making conquest to annoying to try. Though even that required terrain advantage that space didn’t really have.
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Thats one reason why Yang and Julian fight for democracy as a principle, more so than the FPA as a government.
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I think an amazing place a new LOGH retelling could go is change yang's character, have julian die instead that breaks yang's brain and have him become another perfect dictator, and have reinhard die instead of seig and have seig reform the empire into a (military) republic
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Gaius Marius posted:The empire also has a larger population and resource base. And the FPA crippled themselves in their attempted invasion so it's not surprising that the Empire is able to dominate them militarily afterwards. Funnily enough this kind of ties into the "the Empire handicaps themselves to a stupid degree by enforcing a massively unpopular social order with an iron fist" point from earlier. The only reason the FPA had the population base that they did was because when the Empire made contact with the FPA, the appearance of an alternative, less repressive polity set off a massive tidal wage of refugees looking to escape the Empire's feudal despotism. As facile as the FPA's "they'll greet us as liberators!" invasion planning was, it did have a fair degree of truth in it and the fault was less in misreading the attitude of the Empire's citizens and more in making huge, inflexible assumptions about the Empire's military strategy. Gaius Marius posted:When they gave Yang command and he gathered up all the old patrol ships to make a ramshackle fleet I was incredibly hyped that they were still in the game. Then after the alliance falls I just look back and realize that unless Reinhard died the FPA was always hosed. The empire simply had the ability to absorb losses that the FPA didn't. It's fantastic that they still managed to make a compelling story with a united galaxy. I always really admired that they were willing to follow the events of the story to their logical conclusion and have the Empire conquer the FPA, instead of coming up with some bullshit copout to keep the FPA going because they're the plucky underdog good guys or something. It's such a huge paradigm shift in a series whose whole premise is basically space democracy vs space monarchy duking it out, and it's incredible that LoGH can have one faction just straight up win around halfway through and still keep things interesting. Pornographic Memory fucked around with this message at 00:50 on Apr 27, 2018 |
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Baloogan posted:I think an amazing place a new LOGH retelling could go is change yang's character, have julian die instead that breaks yang's brain and have him become another perfect dictator, and have reinhard die instead of seig and have seig reform the empire into a (military) republic i kind of wanted yang to accidentally end up becoming dictator when i was first watching the OVA
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Yang repeatedly turning down increasingly larger amounts of power being centralized in him, only to have it taken as a sign that he's all the more worthy for demuring, would have made for a hilarious cour.
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